Electrical question with voltage

my question.. can a 110v us extension lead handle 220v bulbs if going into a 220v socket (uk)
my reason..i have a ready made grow box from us and im in uk the lead says 110v and bulbs also 110v so have a voltage converter as i have another box i dont want to fork out on another converter as upgrading bulbs to 23w from 13w so want to just run straight into mains with 220v bulbs no messing around with voltage converter..i did try find a uk version of the us outlet bulb adapters but only seem to be 2 types, 1 that bends so bulb facing UP and some dangly thing that just wouldnt work.
please help before i fry my bulbs or myself :)
 

stephaniesloan

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my question.. can a 110v us extension lead handle 220v bulbs if going into a 220v socket (uk)
my reason..i have a ready made grow box from us and im in uk the lead says 110v and bulbs also 110v so have a voltage converter as i have another box i dont want to fork out on another converter as upgrading bulbs to 23w from 13w so want to just run straight into mains with 220v bulbs no messing around with voltage converter..i did try find a uk version of the us outlet bulb adapters but only seem to be 2 types, 1 that bends so bulb facing UP and some dangly thing that just wouldnt work.
please help before i fry my bulbs or myself :)
1, voltage from 110 to 220 is no problem.
2, what is a grow box ?
3, 23w bulb WTF? 13w Bulb WTF. is it a christmas fairy lightyou are running.

voltage does not matter with cables, its the amps that matter,, a voltage is only a carrier of the electric feed, the draw of the electric appliance will need a certain amount of amps, it is the draw or pull of the amps that burn cables, not the voltage.
 
lol i should have said they are cfls the 23 watt ones apparently equiv 100w in lumens.
grow box just some half assed ready made stealth grow box i bought as diy isnt my strong point.
when i first got before i got converter my bulbs blew i take it bulbs is one thing but the extension lead as long as its 220v bulbs going into 220v mains is fine then? its a 16amp extension lead so im assuming thats fine? have 3 bulbs but trying to squeeze another in
 

Brokeoldbloke

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I lived UK for a few years a while back. I'm trying to remember the electric set-up but I think you can swap the plug or make a splice. The US lamp cords and lamp sockets (fittings?) should be rated at 300 volt and are probably marked that somewhere if you look. You'll also be fine on the amp capacity of the wire since voltage is 240 (less amps). As you found out the US 120v cfls will not work (over voltage, electronics, 50 cycles idk). You need 240v UK bulbs. To rewire just make sure the UK live wire (brown?) is connected to wire that goes to the center pin of the socket. The sockets are scew type (edison?) and not that funky bayonet base, right? I'd give it a try using a cheap incandescent bulb (do they still make them?) and see if it works.
Good luck.
 

stephaniesloan

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my question.. can a 110v us extension lead handle 220v bulbs if going into a 220v socket (uk)
my reason..i have a ready made grow box from us and im in uk the lead says 110v and bulbs also 110v so have a voltage converter as i have another box i dont want to fork out on another converter as upgrading bulbs to 23w from 13w so want to just run straight into mains with 220v bulbs no messing around with voltage converter..i did try find a uk version of the us outlet bulb adapters but only seem to be 2 types, 1 that bends so bulb facing UP and some dangly thing that just wouldnt work.
please help before i fry my bulbs or myself :)

you could probably run that amount of draw with speaker wire.....

i am not kidding.

READ AND LEARN.

Voltage is the energy or kind of speed and vibration that power travels through a cable (240 volts per second).
Amperes is the charge that travel through a cable. (could be 1 soldier charging you or 100 soldiers (centurions) charging at you).

i am trying to put this in to laymans terms.

the volts do not matter, as much as the amps, it is the amps that do the damage.

for instance the thick cable that enters your main fuse in your home splits in to two tails that go in to your meter, that thick cable carries 240 volts but................ it carries 80 amps which must use a thick internal core 25mm cable like that.
the main switch on your fuse box/consumer unit is 100 amp.

the tails to the meter are 25mm

(mcb`s are like fuses) too much wattage draw they trip)
your electric cooker is connected through a 45 amp mcb (miniature circuit breaker) with a 10mm cable.

your socket rings are on 32 amp mcb on a 2.5mm cable.

and your lights are on even thinner cables 1.5mm 6 amp mcb.

all these cables are 240 volts.

if you run your lights on a speaker wire no probs, but if you added a 2000w heater the cable would heat up and burn.

the way we can protect individual cables is we use a fuse in a standard 3 prong plug,, for instance we might use a 13 amp fuse on a 1.5mm cable because if we try to add too many watts the cable will want to warm and burn but the fuse will instantly burn and blow.

if we add a 5amp fuse to a 1.0mm cable then less watts will blow the fuse before the wire melts.

very thin cables and lamps likeyours will run on a 3 amp fuse so if the cable stats to burn the the thinner fuse wire in the3 amp fuse will burn before thecable starts to melt.

so you see it is the amount of power we draw from the cable and not the voltage.

they reckon any thing over 50 amps will kill you.

a 240v 6 amp electric shock will give you a hard on.

a 240v 20 amp electric shock will make you cum.

1 240v 32 amp shock will make you shake and tremble with shock.

a 240v 50 amp shock will almost certainly kill you.

( a 12v 300 amp shock you will feel nothing )

a 240v 100 amp shock will make you start tosmoke and burn if you die and stay connected.

now do you understand?

a car battery is only 12 volts dc but can crank over 240 amps to turn a very heavy engine over, so if you have a metal ring on your finger and it shorts the battery ( touches live and earth at the same time) the high ampage would melt your skin to the metal ring but it is only 12 volts so you would not feel a shock from it..
vehicle wires are usually thick wires for the amount of volts.

if a 240v wire is loose it will arc and start to heat and burn.

ifa 12v wire is loose it will flicker at a light or might only click before it starts the engine on the 5th turn of the key

if you touch a live and neutral wire together at 240 volts 32 amps there will be a flash and a very loud bang.

if you touch a live and neutral wire together at 12 volts 230 amps there will be huge sparks and the welding of wires.


this is why vehicles are very easy to go on fire in an accident, not because they carry fuel, they are protected by a series of relays that switch off when they detect an accident, but there are no relays on the main battery leads which start most engine bay fires....they try to put fuses on them but these will never work.

that is why when you hit a wall at say 20 mph your engine cuts out and it takes a little longer to start the car again.

if we could find a way to harness the amps to stop vehicle fires in accidents we would become instant billionaires overnight, ( i kid you not ) and would not be worried about a few plants.

imagine how many amps it takes to turn over and start a rolls royce engine in a huge passenger jet plane.

instant burn up in an accident.

and imagine how many amps a 232,000 volt uk pylon can carry, touch that and the volts and amps will blow your arm off melt your brain and boil your blood in milliseconds.

at the post mortem the coroner will say death by electric shock.

the end.

peace.
 

Brokeoldbloke

Active Member
Stephanie,
Your kidding right? People have died from 1/100th of a amp on a 110v circuit and people survived lightning strikes. Everybody's resistance to shock is different.
Voltage does matter, thats what the insulation is for. The insulation keeps wires and surfaces of different potentials from making contact. Basically if you used a wire with unrated or under-rated insulation it could allow one voltage potential to jump across to another. One of the reasons for using the corect wire size and circuit breaker/fuse is to prevent the wire from overheating and damaging the insulation. You need to be concerned about both amps and volts.
 

Jahulath

Member
UK Electrician by any chance Steph? You are bang on but of course you know that and prolly a butt load more that'll save some folks from Darwin awards in the future.

Doc Greenthumb - listen to this man he will not see you dead, even if he is just a touch towards the zealous side. :D
 

stephaniesloan

Active Member
Stephanie,
Your kidding right? People have died from 1/100th of a amp on a 110v circuit and people survived lightning strikes. Everybody's resistance to shock is different.
Voltage does matter, thats what the insulation is for. The insulation keeps wires and surfaces of different potentials from making contact. Basically if you used a wire with unrated or under-rated insulation it could allow one voltage potential to jump across to another. One of the reasons for using the corect wire size and circuit breaker/fuse is to prevent the wire from overheating and damaging the insulation. You need to be concerned about both amps and volts.

oh....by the way tell your third world african/american government that you need more voltage and less amps in your home.

that way its a lot safer.

mind you... if you have to borrow a space rocket from the russians now because cash is running out then why the fuck would you worry about a power station years ago that could have provided enough volts (shock) to run mars with less amps (burn) .
 

george xxx

Active Member
my question.. can a 110v us extension lead handle 220v bulbs if going into a 220v socket (uk)
The 110 extension lead the wire is usable for 220 uk lighting
Unless it is cheap crap us lighting cable should be 14ga (1.98mm) rated at 15 amps. Since the UK is 220v the amp draw is very low.

1, voltage from 110 to 220 is no problem.
2, what is a grow box ?
3, 23w bulb WTF? 13w Bulb WTF. is it a christmas fairy lightyou are running.

voltage does not matter with cables, its the amps that matter,, a voltage is only a carrier of the electric feed, the draw of the electric appliance will need a certain amount of amps, it is the draw or pull of the amps that burn cables, not the voltage.
Fairy lights or what ever you choose to call them is irrelevant it is his choice. 110 to 220 is a problem. A cfl has a lighting ballast - a transformer.

I lived UK for a few years a while back. I'm trying to remember the electric set-up but I think you can swap the plug or make a splice. The US lamp cords and lamp sockets (fittings?) should be rated at 300 volt and are probably marked that somewhere if you look. You'll also be fine on the amp capacity of the wire since voltage is 240 (less amps). As you found out the US 120v cfls will not work (over voltage, electronics, 50 cycles idk). You need 240v UK bulbs. To rewire just make sure the UK live wire (brown?) is connected to wire that goes to the center pin of the socket. The sockets are scew type (edison?) and not that funky bayonet base, right? I'd give it a try using a cheap incandescent bulb (do they still make them?) and see if it works.
Good luck.
Don't exactly work that way. They use 220. Two 110 volt leads no neutral.
The US cfl has a limiting ballast that requires one 110 volt feed and a neutral.



you could probably run that amount of draw with speaker wire.....

i am not kidding.

READ AND LEARN.


the volts do not matter, as much as the amps, it is the amps that do the damage.

for instance the thick cable that enters your main fuse in your home splits in to two tails that go in to your meter, that thick cable carries 240 volts but................ it carries 80 amps
the main switch on your fuse box/consumer unit is 100 amp.

(mcb`s are like fuses) too much wattage draw they trip)
your electric cooker is connected through a 45 amp mcb (miniature circuit breaker) with a 10mm cable.

and your lights are on even thinner cables 1.5mm 6 amp mcb.

all these cables are 240 volts.

if you run your lights on a speaker wire no probs, but if you added a 2000w heater the cable would heat up and burn.

we use a fuse in a standard 3 prong plug,, for instance we might use a 13 amp fuse on a 1.5mm cable because if we

so you see it is the amount of power we draw from the cable and not the voltage.

( a 12v 300 amp shock you will feel nothing )

a car battery is only 12 volts dc but can crank over 240 amps to turn a very heavy engine over,
vehicle wires are usually thick wires for the amount of volts.

ifa 12v wire is loose it will flicker at a light or might only click before it starts the engine on the 5th turn of the key

this is why vehicles are very easy to go on fire in an accident, not because they carry fuel, they are protected by a series of relays that switch off when they detect an accident,
peace.


Most of what both of you posted is correct. You are butting heads because you do not understand the differences.

UK or US does not matter we all pay for electro by the amount of watts.

Let me point out how some of this is different.

The US is an energy hog. We have more lighting and consume more power than others do. Our electricity costs are lower because much of it runs on 110 volts. Homes have 220 volt power but not much 220 volt usage. It is less costly to generate more power at 110 volts. It costs nearly 400% more money to wire a home for 220 volts.

the volts do not matter, as much as the amps, it is the amps that do the damage.
This is very true. More amps = more speed = more heat generated by electron flow.

for instance the thick cable that enters your main fuse in your home splits in to two tails that go in to your meter, that thick cable carries 240 volts but................ it carries 80 amps
the main switch on your fuse box/consumer unit is 100 amp.
US homes have 3 cables, 2 are 110 volt one is neutral. 2 110 volt cables are the same 220 volts the UK has. The US is not limited to 80 amps. Fuse box in my home is 225 amps.

your electric cooker is connected through a 45 amp mcb (miniature circuit breaker) with a 10mm cable.
US electric stove-range-cooker is 30 amps with a 2.58mm cable.

( a 12v 300 amp shock you will feel nothing )
This is very wrong. Usually 12 volts does not shock but it can knock you on your ass.

a car battery is only 12 volts dc but can crank over 240 amps to turn a very heavy engine over,
vehicle wires are usually thick wires for the amount of volts.
Car wires are thicker for higher amps not volts.
12 volt light wire is .0644mm, 12volt battery cable is 5.189mm

ifa 12v wire is loose it will flicker at a light or might only click before it starts the engine on the 5th turn of the key
12 car wires do get hot when there is a loose connection. This is the leading cause of starters and alternators burning out.

this is why vehicles are very easy to go on fire in an accident, not because they carry fuel, they are protected by a series of relays that switch off when they detect an accident,
Most US cars do not have this. In an accident an electric fuel pump can continue to run until the key switch is turned off.








Both of you should check out this page. It will give you both a different view of what voltage and amperage kills.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/NancyRyan.shtml
 

stephaniesloan

Active Member
The 110 extension lead the wire is usable for 220 uk lighting
Unless it is cheap crap us lighting cable should be 14ga (1.98mm) rated at 15 amps. Since the UK is 220v the amp draw is very low.



Fairy lights or what ever you choose to call them is irrelevant it is his choice. 110 to 220 is a problem. A cfl has a lighting ballast - a transformer.



Don't exactly work that way. They use 220. Two 110 volt leads no neutral.
The US cfl has a limiting ballast that requires one 110 volt feed and a neutral.







Most of what both of you posted is correct. You are butting heads because you do not understand the differences.

UK or US does not matter we all pay for electro by the amount of watts.

Let me point out how some of this is different.

The US is an energy hog. We have more lighting and consume more power than others do. Our electricity costs are lower because much of it runs on 110 volts. Homes have 220 volt power but not much 220 volt usage. It is less costly to generate more power at 110 volts. It costs nearly 400% more money to wire a home for 220 volts.


This is very true. More amps = more speed = more heat generated by electron flow.



US homes have 3 cables, 2 are 110 volt one is neutral. 2 110 volt cables are the same 220 volts the UK has. The US is not limited to 80 amps. Fuse box in my home is 225 amps.



US electric stove-range-cooker is 30 amps with a 2.58mm cable.


This is very wrong. Usually 12 volts does not shock but it can knock you on your ass.



Car wires are thicker for higher amps not volts.
12 volt light wire is .0644mm, 12volt battery cable is 5.189mm


12 car wires do get hot when there is a loose connection. This is the leading cause of starters and alternators burning out.



Most US cars do not have this. In an accident an electric fuel pump can continue to run until the key switch is turned off.








Both of you should check out this page. It will give you both a different view of what voltage and amperage kills.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/NancyRyan.shtml
we dont need electric chairs we have social workers that let killers off scot free.
 
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