f9 ibl bx or f1

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Humboldt OG f5 and Royal Highness f6 are different strains, the result of crossing them can not be an f7, as the descendants will display different traits compared to their mother and father, creating a new filial (F1) named Early Girl OG. A strain is considered IBL when the progeny is highly stable and homogenic, so the result of a cross of two IBL strains creates a F1 hybrid that displays a very uniform offspring and shows hybrid vigor. When a cross it's done with non IBL strains the F1 also displays hybrid vigor but shows a huge variation of traits.
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So to enable the next filial it would have to be from the same strain
even though f5 6 7 8 or 9 they are classed as an ibl origional
Would in the way humboldt growout then chasing phenos make the f9 strains have more vigor and better charateristice and stabilisation than its f1 sister ? For growing terps thc yeild resistance etc..


And taking my squirt who is a bx5 and crossing her with my male wifi f1 or another generation strain be it different to squirt would make a f1 in that 50/50 pheno(as f2 would be same strain breeding)

To stabilise the trait i want though i would have to breed my "new wild squirt" back to the bx5 squirt mother if i wanted her trait.
have i made a bx1. .and go up from that breeding selected phenos back to squirt bx5 mum clones.?

Or do i travel to f5 ibl? But this would loose genetics to more phenos so how do you stabilise a trait to be an ibl as an ibl should be a true genwtic?
 
They are all good I tried to check all but it wouldnt allow. IBL is not F5 and up by the way
 
klx said:
They are all good I tried to check all but it wouldnt allow. IBL is not F5 and up by the way
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IBL

IBL stands for “inbred line”, meaning that after several generations of hybridising a specific lineage, the strains become almost like a different family of strains. Skunks were hybridised and selected for their very pungent and potent nature, and after many generations, they developed into the Cheese family, which can be called an IBL.
F1

F1 stands for a "first generation hybrid". When two strains with completely different genotypes breed, for example, a Master Kush with Durban Poison, their offspring will be an F1 hybrid. When this hybrid is bred together with another F1 hybrid from the same batch (a sister or a brother), it creates an F2 hybrid. When this process is repeated, it creates an F3, then F4, and so on. After F5, the plants can be considered as IBL.
 
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IBL

IBL stands for “inbred line”, meaning that after several generations of hybridising a specific lineage, the strains become almost like a different family of strains. Skunks were hybridised and selected for their very pungent and potent nature, and after many generations, they developed into the Cheese family, which can be called an IBL.
F1

F1 stands for a "first generation hybrid". When two strains with completely different genotypes breed, for example, a Master Kush with Durban Poison, their offspring will be an F1 hybrid. When this hybrid is bred together with another F1 hybrid from the same batch (a sister or a brother), it creates an F2 hybrid. When this process is repeated, it creates an F3, then F4, and so on. After F5, the plants can be considered as IBL.
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Royal Queen Seeds links :P Don't say you weren't told.
 
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Royal Queen Seeds links :P Don't say you weren't told.
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Humboldt compa y cali then

As Humboldt OG and Royal Highness are different strains, the result of crossing them can not be an f7, as the descendants will display different traits compared to their mother and father, creating a new filial (F1) named Early Girl OG. A strain is considered IBL when the progeny is highly stable and homogenic, so the result of a cross of two IBL strains creates a F1 hybrid that displays a very uniform offspring and shows hybrid vigor. When a cross it's done with non IBL strains the F1 also displays hybrid vigor but shows a huge variation of traits.


And other breeder on forums
Generally speaking (many variables) once you get to f5-6 it will hopefully show ibl traits with less pheno variation. That said, a lot of people think f10, or ibl and that they are better than an f1. That however is not true in all cases. A lot of good breeders put out stable f1s that show maybe 3-5 pheno's. They'd rather you be able to pick from a stable set of phenos rather than ibl the strain...Now there might be a bx mom in there but still, it's the offspring of two separate parent strains, thus a f1.

A back cross (or bx) is when you take, for example, an f1 female and breed it with your original male. You could also bx an f4 if you wanted to.



So i am basing my post on real breeders eg humboldt and dark heart nurserys . Not dinafem and wueen seeds
But used their blog to read yes it read what others have said allover .

Bog seeds said from f5 his strains are ibl and his bubble being the staple to mosy breeders strain base if u check back u find his strains in most top companies hes known for his seeds big time
 
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Humboldt compa y cali then

As Humboldt OG and Royal Highness are different strains, the result of crossing them can not be an f7, as the descendants will display different traits compared to their mother and father, creating a new filial (F1) named Early Girl OG. A strain is considered IBL when the progeny is highly stable and homogenic, so the result of a cross of two IBL strains creates a F1 hybrid that displays a very uniform offspring and shows hybrid vigor. When a cross it's done with non IBL strains the F1 also displays hybrid vigor but shows a huge variation of traits.


And other breeder on forums
Generally speaking (many variables) once you get to f5-6 it will hopefully show ibl traits with less pheno variation. That said, a lot of people think f10, or ibl and that they are better than an f1. That however is not true in all cases. A lot of good breeders put out stable f1s that show maybe 3-5 pheno's. They'd rather you be able to pick from a stable set of phenos rather than ibl the strain...Now there might be a bx mom in there but still, it's the offspring of two separate parent strains, thus a f1.

A back cross (or bx) is when you take, for example, an f1 female and breed it with your original male. You could also bx an f4 if you wanted to.



So i am basing my post on real breeders eg humboldt and dark heart nurserys . Not dinafem and wueen seeds
But used their blog to read yes it read what others have said allover .

Bog seeds said from f5 his strains are ibl and his bubble being the staple to mosy breeders strain base if u check back u find his strains in most top companies hes known for his seeds big time
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I am not sure what I said that makes you think I care what you think. Believe what you want mate I dont care about your blocks of text.. Call your F6s IBLs go ahead you do you.
 
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I am not sure what I said that makes you think I care what you think. Believe what you want mate I dont care about your blocks of text.. Call your F6s IBLs go ahead you do you.
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Where did i offend you? Cause u seem hurt by a discussion aimed to understand and debate and find what is the truth...
I mean you came in and laffed at me and tryin to belittle me by saying your research was somehow better than a company thats quite well known..be it shit or what i dont see ur argument validating any claims against them...

I simply braught to attension detail i had obtained from various sourses hoping to shed some clarity and get to the bottom of the truth..

But instead you take to typing and replying to the thread i never said you cared but when your mind made you post in the first instance this then showing you had some level of interest more than jusy curiosity when you took time out of your busy scedule to post and reply ..when infact if you didnt care you would not have engaged in the first place...
So this is where you joined in and showed somewhat a level of care. But in the instance your beliefs were slightly challenged into being somthing astray from what you did believe . And that the person did not fall down and kiss your impeccable knowledge but instead took to question your beliefs you then dissengage and try to disscourage interaction via and offencive mannerisum designed to try and disstatch yourself from the conflitct you find hard to deal with . You only further channelled my need to know to you. I study psycology and am tottaly interested in your type of personality in a scientific way. I am looming for patterns involved in the chromasone development in recent years leading to an increased chance of psycosis and scitzophernic behavior being visible in everyday life when certain traits are shown. And you ate a steong example i dont mean to alarm you if you are young. But i do clinical studys to reverse said traits naturally...i can help if you let me study you (id expext a rageful decline and denial a half faced smirk and a shudder in your chest as your mind trys shrugg off the claim like shown before when challenged) but if you could calm down count to 5 and just try and for a moment believe what i say. I could help you instead of leaving it till its too late in return i get a study i can publish sobi can help others..


As to the seeds. I am showing what ive learnt from others and id be greatful if you could explain how you have learnt an ibl is made and what a f5 acualy is and thus an f9 also in your eyes so i can see what angle you have on it.
If you miss read my first post youd see i am questioning how an f5 is an ibl as iud see it had more phenos

Without research and a diffetent in views we would noy have goy anywhere in evolution in life from all areas itnis healthy to challenge even some of the oldest maths ewuasions life based off have been found to be wrong and this wont have hapoened if someone with a different view didnt try a different way or thinkbit was wrong
 
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Where did i offend you? Cause u seem hurt by a discussion aimed to understand and debate and find what is the truth...
I mean you came in and laffed at me and tryin to belittle me by saying your research was somehow better than a company thats quite well known..be it shit or what i dont see ur argument validating any claims against them...

I simply braught to attension detail i had obtained from various sourses hoping to shed some clarity and get to the bottom of the truth..

But instead you take to typing and replying to the thread i never said you cared but when your mind made you post in the first instance this then showing you had some level of interest more than jusy curiosity when you took time out of your busy scedule to post and reply ..when infact if you didnt care you would not have engaged in the first place...
So this is where you joined in and showed somewhat a level of care. But in the instance your beliefs were slightly challenged into being somthing astray from what you did believe . And that the person did not fall down and kiss your impeccable knowledge but instead took to question your beliefs you then dissengage and try to disscourage interaction via and offencive mannerisum designed to try and disstatch yourself from the conflitct you find hard to deal with . You only further channelled my need to know to you. I study psycology and am tottaly interested in your type of personality in a scientific way. I am looming for patterns involved in the chromasone development in recent years leading to an increased chance of psycosis and scitzophernic behavior being visible in everyday life when certain traits are shown. And you ate a steong example i dont mean to alarm you if you are young. But i do clinical studys to reverse said traits naturally...i can help if you let me study you (id expext a rageful decline and denial a half faced smirk and a shudder in your chest as your mind trys shrugg off the claim like shown before when challenged) but if you could calm down count to 5 and just try and for a moment believe what i say. I could help you instead of leaving it till its too late in return i get a study i can publish sobi can help others..


As to the seeds. I am showing what ive learnt from others and id be greatful if you could explain how you have learnt an ibl is made and what a f5 acualy is and thus an f9 also in your eyes so i can see what angle you have on it.
If you miss read my first post youd see i am questioning how an f5 is an ibl as iud see it had more phenos

Without research and a diffetent in views we would noy have goy anywhere in evolution in life from all areas itnis healthy to challenge even some of the oldest maths ewuasions life based off have been found to be wrong and this wont have hapoened if someone with a different view didnt try a different way or thinkbit was wrong
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Sorry for being harsh but things like definitions are not really open to interpretation. But you are right there is no need to be rude.

An IBL is when virtually all the plants of a generation are basically the same correct? You pop 20 seeds and they all look like clones. To achieve over 98% homozygous plants you would need to go to about f20. Possibly more in modern cannabis but if starting with landrace or heirlooms then 20 generations would be needed. That is also assuming that the selections made were spot on during the process and also assuming the breeder worked the lines in different directions during the process to sustain some sort of vigor. Sure with good selections you could see 80% similar plants after 6 or so generations but the selections would have to be perfect.

The cannabis scene is full of misnomers and totally wrong info and it can be frustrating to see the same wrong info repeated over and over.
 
klx said:
Sorry for being harsh but things like definitions are not really open to interpretation. But you are right there is no need to be rude.

An IBL is when virtually all the plants of a generation are basically the same correct? You pop 20 seeds and they all look like clones. To achieve over 98% homozygous plants you would need to go to about f20. Possibly more in modern cannabis but if starting with landrace or heirlooms then 20 generations would be needed. That is also assuming that the selections made were spot on during the process and also assuming the breeder worked the lines in different directions during the process to sustain some sort of vigor. Sure with good selections you could see 80% similar plants after 6 or so generations but the selections would have to be perfect.

The cannabis scene is full of misnomers and totally wrong info and it can be frustrating to see the same wrong info repeated over and over.
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Thankyou foe your input klx and appoligy i didnt expect that tbh lol ..but seriously f20? Not doubting you but can i ask where you find your study is it personal ? Are you a beeeder... or have you obtained it somwhere id love to have a read into it as this is the first and far from anything ive come up with.
Im noway near breeder but i am wanting to understand deeper the paths and ways to find genuine and stable plants for my own collection and maybe 1day breed my own but thats be years off i need to research


My f9 comes from humboldr seed company n dark heart nurserys...
Ive never seen an f20 ive seen a f9 take 42years breeding though
 
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Thankyou foe your input klx and appoligy i didnt expect that tbh lol ..but seriously f20? Not doubting you but can i ask where you find your study is it personal ? Are you a beeeder... or have you obtained it somwhere id love to have a read into it as this is the first and far from anything ive come up with.
Im noway near breeder but i am wanting to understand deeper the paths and ways to find genuine and stable plants for my own collection and maybe 1day breed my own but thats be years off i need to research


My f9 comes from humboldr seed company n dark heart nurserys...
Ive never seen an f20 ive seen a f9 take 42years breeding though
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Feel free to doubt me, I am just a random grower on the internet! I am interested in genetics and breeding not just plants but animals too.

The reason I talk about 20 generations is down to the maths. For the first few generations you get large increases in homozygous percentages after F2 and by F6 or so (through good selections) you could be up around 80%. But thats not an IBL, thats my point. I am not saying what is better or worse I am just talking definitions. IBL is when virtually every plant is identical from seed. Like broccoli, or carrots, or any other common vegetable.

Personally, for cannabis I love F2s due to the variety and crazy recessive traits that come out and its easy to just pop a pack of beans and make some seeds.

I am not sure why it would take 42 years to make an F9 unless there were many many bad selections along the way and the breeder had to keep going back and trying again. Theoretically, if you grew 12/12 from seed and focused on 1 line, you could easily do 2 or more generations per year.
 
klx said:
Feel free to doubt me, I am just a random grower on the internet! I am interested in genetics and breeding not just plants but animals too.

The reason I talk about 20 generations is down to the maths. For the first few generations you get large increases in homozygous percentages after F2 and by F6 or so (through good selections) you could be up around 80%. But thats not an IBL, thats my point. I am not saying what is better or worse I am just talking definitions. IBL is when virtually every plant is identical from seed. Like broccoli, or carrots, or any other common vegetable.

Personally, for cannabis I love F2s due to the variety and crazy recessive traits that come out and its easy to just pop a pack of beans and make some seeds.

I am not sure why it would take 42 years to make an F9 unless there were many many bad selections along the way and the breeder had to keep going back and trying again. Theoretically, if you grew 12/12 from seed and focused on 1 line, you could easily do 2 or more generations per year.
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Ita the breeder behind the freakshow strain he spent 42 years huntiing annomalies and freakouts and breesing them back its freaking insane lol i love it its differeny and shows what differnces can be seen and bred yet wr all have standard cannabis look lol.

In your eyes for what reason would an f9 be used or good for then as alot say ita amazing f9 will be stable others scream not..
 
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Ita the breeder behind the freakshow strain he spent 42 years huntiing annomalies and freakouts and breesing them back its freaking insane lol i love it its differeny and shows what differnces can be seen and bred yet wr all have standard cannabis look lol.

In your eyes for what reason would an f9 be used or good for then as alot say ita amazing f9 will be stable others scream not..
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Ah ok yeah that is not exactly conventional breeding but a cool project that's for sure.

F9 should be very stable if good selections were made through the generations. Depends on your purpose for the project really. To me breeding is all about having a goal and then working towards it. If that ends up being f9 the so be it but not sure why someone would aim for f9 with no real purpose.

Marijuana Botany by Robert Clarke is a great book do you have it? If not pm me I can send you a pdf
 
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Humboldts squirt is bx5.
Comes from blue berry muffin f9
Which is from purplepantie bx8 and a raxzle f9
Razzle from the purple kush origional
And pantie from the matanuska thunderfuck age old strain lol.

My mango mellons from an f3 but her linage is all bx5s and f9s from the jackhere tree chem g13 and og lineages crossed to gsk and durbans. then bx5

Im sure there amazing strains as i talked to the breeders about them in detail for weeks and dakr heart was on livestream about it .

Love them lol best breeders iv found sofar. They do stuff properly and show it .

But the blueberry mufin f9 is my next choise or the early girl f1 and thete i was stuck on choise so wondred whats more stable ..seems there gona be about the same as the f1 is boss but the f9 is the f1 pheno hunyed basicly due to good breeder whereas a shit companys f9 could be unstable right ??
 
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