Finding the all elusive cheese.

So its almost time for a new grow...

And all i here around the uk is cheese cheese cheese... well i want it .. but i want IT not some crossed so called original..

I know people say its clone only.. and as if im going to believe some of the guys around my neck of the woods selling the clone...

What would you say is the best option for finding the original or the next best thing?

I could grow out a few packs of skunk#1 to find my own mutated or special pheno.
but if i did that who has the Original skunk#1 seeds????

or i could buy a few packs of big budda cheese and find the best pheno and use that as a mother...

i know that it would never be the original cheese but it would be close right?

any ideas?

next to getting a clone of the real thing your best option is feminized seeds made from a clone.
Dr Greenthumb has just that. http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

Cheese is PENGALENG! One of the best ive sampled along with silver haze!

frmrboi said:

next to getting a clone of the real thing your best option is feminized seeds made from a clone.
Dr Greenthumb has just that. http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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but is he English? i mean it wont be the famous pheno will it? arnt all the seeds on the market nowerdays just crosses of cheese? i have never used drgreenthumb are they reliable?

I got Blue Cheese from Herbie's Head Shop, (google it), but we haven't grown it yet: This is our 1st indoor grow and we're doing a "dry run" with some bagseed first.
Good luck dude

what is bagseed?! Is it just a random selection or something?!

GardenSpecialist said:

what is bagseed?! Is it just a random selection or something?!

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seeds u find in bags of weed

id like to open up an avenue of discussion. a lot of people have been saying that a femd seed is the way to go. Genetically speaking, those forced male genes are going to be ressissive in some plants but it will be dominant in others, = herms. if u look at the marketing and availability of these seeds it almost looks like "conventional" seeds are going outta style. especially in europe. but, what are we trying to do here? yes there are those for whom a guarenteed large female population w a few heremes wont matter because their not going to utalize any of the flowers that they produce, right? but when u are spending your hard earned money, your even more valuable time, and most of all the fact that these are your babies that youll constantly be taking care of just to one day find both sexes reside in your greens. so wouldnt it make more sence to find a few males leave them in a flowering room with a few females, and from that find the turely perfect mother???? thats how "clone only" strains are discovered anyway. so make a new cheese and call it cheese 2010 haha the power is in your hands, u can even stabalize your new strain so u can have seeds that are very close to your mother and maybe even better, as backcrosses sometimes are.

Half the reason for hermies is the strain quality indeed. Too many companies and the breeders themselves nowadays giving away freebies and substandard f2 seeds etc. If you stick to f1 and not gimmicks you really shouldn't have any major hermie issues.

frmrboi said:

next to getting a clone of the real thing your best option is feminized seeds made from a clone.
Dr Greenthumb has just that. http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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Dr. Greenthumb's Cheese might be the Real McCoy but several years in the past when he advertised several old school landrace sativas I tried several of them and they were not the Real McCoy and he has since stopped selling them. One was Colombian Gold and I cut my teeth on Colombian Gold and what he sold was not close to being the real Colombian Gold. Now he offers Colombian Skies and while I have not tried it I suspect it is the same thing that he had tried to sell as being Colombian Gold.

There are no truth in advertising laws in regards to cannabis strains and seed sales.

I am not saying it is not the real Cheese, but I would take anyone's advertising claims for rare strains not only with a grain of salt, but with an entire salt lick.

3lions said:

Half the reason for hermies is the strain quality indeed. Too many companies and the breeders themselves nowadays giving away freebies and substandard f2 seeds etc. If you stick to f1 and not gimmicks you really shouldn't have any major hermie issues.

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Some pollen chuckers that have pawned themselves off as being real professional breeders rely heavily on F2s in their crosses but don't bother to inform their customer base.

I have no problems with breeders who sell F2s and who use f2s in crosses IF they advertise it. Joey Weed is a perfect example. He clearly states if what he uses is an F2. And in some cases F2s can be great. I had the luck to get a Cherry AK47 in a pack of Joey Weed's F2 AK47 .. so if someone like or wants to hunt for that special phenotype and can find F2s its all cool and the gang.

But when breeders rely on F2s made from true breeders work and then rename them and claim them to be their own strains, their own creations, and then use them in crosses and do not tell people, that is low, that is dishonest, that is despicable and they should not sully the title of true professional breeder by claiming to be one no matter how many people they fool with their mutt strains.

I agree, greenhouse, greenthumb, all out to make a buck from green people

Yeah i agree at the end of the day there all in it for the money. I have yet to see a company selling seeds that are legit. i mean they look and sound like the real thing but to be honest even if i did grow say dr greenthumbs cheese i wouldnt know it from any of the other cheese out there at the moment.

anyone know how to identify it?

Its so close to grow time and i have no seeds... i need a knockout rare strain to compete it my area... i grew serious AK 47 but a lot of people regected it because aparrently everyone has it (all lies and renaimed low class strains) so even though its one of the best ive ever smoked... the people have spoken and want to follow the crowd... so cheese it is.

I cant see cheese beating Serious Seeds AK47 though, it was pretty heavy.

AK47 a great strain for sure. I find, like food, its so often a matter of taste. One man's poison and all that We deal with a lot of med users so often we try to find strains that have been proven to help alleviate certain problems or for pain management. Over the years we realise it is impossible to say this will work for that, all we can do is generalise.

Brick Top said:

But when breeders rely on F2s made from true breeders work and then rename them and claim them to be their own strains, their own creations, and then use them in crosses and do not tell people, that is low, that is dishonest, that is despicable and they should not sully the title of true professional breeder by claiming to be one no matter how many people they fool with their mutt strains.

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You seem to be up on breeding Brick Top - but, just so I'm better informed here, what are the consequences of breeders using renamed F2s in other crosses? Do you mean it's wrong because they are basically stealing and profiting from extensive breeding work done by someone else? Or are there heterozygous/unstable consequences that come out in the offspring that come from the seeds that people later purchase... thinking they are basically buying certain traits that might not really be there?

Hope that question makes sense...

Day to Daze said:

anyone know how to identify it?
I cant see cheese beating Serious Seeds AK47 though, it was pretty heavy.

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double serrated leaves long skinny ish leaves more sativa looking than indi. and it will hands down knock spots off ak47.

it will hands down knock spots off ak47.

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That depends on many things and we should always be wary of blanket statements

The original cheese was a clone only plant and was brought here to Spain about ten years ago or more for breeding. It was a genetic freak in many ways. If there are any of those original plants left I suspect they would be here but I'm 99% sure there are none left.

TAOWOLF. you might find this interesting: F1 OR F2

3lions said:

we should always be wary of blanket statements

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I agree !

3lions said:

If there are any of those original plants left I suspect they would be here but I'm 99% sure there are none left.

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very true it does depend on a lot of things but having grown them both i can say it does. ak47 is a cracking strain and i love serious seeds those guys know how to breed. im growing their bubblegum currently and its great but nothing compared to the SK1 pheno's that go about, cheese/ psychosis/ livers are all variants of the SK1 from the 80's

the closest youll find in seed form of livers/blues is from underground originals.

3lions said:

TAOWOLF. you might find this interesting: F1 OR F2

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Thanks for the info 3lions - just FYI, the link wouldn't load but I found a cache of the page. I'd always assumed an F2 was the result of an F1 back crossed with P1. But if I'm understanding correctly that is not the case and the F2 label is being used on *any* F1 hybrid bred to *any* other F1 hybrid regardless if those two F1s are related or not?

So not to be too far off-topic, if a breeder is advertising something like a 'Blue Cheese' (Blueberry X Cheese hybrid)... there's a good chance that what they are really selling is not an F1 of the original crossing that's been back crossed to a Blueberry or Cheese mother, but instead it could be something like a Cheese/AK47 F1 hybrid X a Blueberry/Big Bud F1 hybrid... which will be all over the place with heterozygous traits?