First actual encounter of Obama Care

RyanTheRhino

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My health insurance premiums are increasing 15%


Attached to the letter was a note explaining for the rather dramatic increases " The Affordable Healthcare Act":cuss:
 

nitro harley

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My health insurance premiums are increasing 15%


Attached to the letter was a note explaining for the rather dramatic increases " The Affordable Healthcare Act":cuss:
I have been on Obama care sense the begining of the year and mine goes up more than 15%...right now I pay 500.00 and starting in may it goes up to 580.00 per month..I feel the pain..
 

ricky1lung

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580 per month for health care is crazy.
Public healthcare really isn't that bad, everyone pays and everyone
benefits. You only pay monthly bills like that if you also have private
insurance.

For profit systems always mean large expense.
 

nitro harley

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580 per month for health care is crazy.
Public healthcare really isn't that bad, everyone pays and everyone
benefits. You only pay monthly bills like that if you also have private
insurance.

For profit systems always mean large expense.
I can't get private Ins, The state of oregon has me on Obama care and it is not cheap...some people will get cheap health care, if you make 9.00 ph and you are 19 you will pay 74.00 per month and it goes up from there...The older you get and the more money you make, will both make your Obama care go up....It goes up about 80.00 every four years from what I can see until you make it to 65...
 

spandy

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Grocery store we shop at cut all their employees hours to under 28 a week. So if you don't pay it in added health care premiums, you will pay it in lost work hours in many cases.
 

nitro harley

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Grocery store we shop at cut all their employees hours to under 28 a week. So if you don't pay it in added health care premiums, you will pay it in lost work hours in many cases.
That is the sad truth for sure, They call it affordable health care but really only for some people....
 

ricky1lung

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That is the sad truth for sure, They call it affordable health care but really only for some people....
That really sucks. I hate to see people suffer.
We have a public/private system here. It really does work out
to everyone's benefit.

No one ever wants taxes to go up, understandably so. I dont want mine to go
up, but when it comes to healthcare I really dont mind my taxes paying into
it so we can all live healthy lives without the worry of large monthly expenses
and emergency bills that could ruin me financially.

I really hope for everyone the US can figure out a system that benefits everyone
in a cost effective manner.
 

Jimdamick

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My insurance premiums have been going up evey year long before Obamacare came into place. The insurance companies are just using OC as their latest excuse to rape the American people. The problem to a great extent is the greed of these companies, not necessarily OC.
 

Doer

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580 per month for health care is crazy.
Public healthcare really isn't that bad, everyone pays and everyone
benefits. You only pay monthly bills like that if you also have private
insurance.

For profit systems always mean large expense.
HeathCare seems so simple when we are healthy. It seems to have everything covered, all the illnesses listed, what the cost are.....wait.....they don't say the costs of heath. They say what the coverage is. And I am of the opinion that I would not have lived through my nightmare of combined and induced major medical needs without private insurance.

So, Ricky, let's have a discussion. You are from Canada, eh? What happens when you have Stage 3 colon cancer at 44 years old? I go in the books for this one...meeting a genetic Doctor next week.

You won't know the next question to ask, I bet, so I'll help you. Doer, how did you find out?

I almost did not. I almost died a couple of times. I sat at home on IV antibiotic drip, and home nursing for 1 month, while my colon didn't get any better.

See, I was too far gone to operate. Did they tell me? No. I almost died again in the ambulance ride from my home, still not knowing anything but irritable bowls. I survived the emergency surgery despite the raging infection. Time for Chemo!!!

No. Still in cheaper HMO at 44 yrs. (still better than govt plan ) they set my chance of survival in Chemotherapy at only 15%. So, they said I should get my affairs in order, take a cruise, kiss my ass goodbye, etc.

Not Doer. I was over the time to change to the high class, full boat, PPO. But, I had CHOICE. I took the penalty and changed plan and never looked back. I went to a Cancer Clinic, took heavy Chemo combos, unavailable in HMO.

What the FUCK?? Now I am over educated on this. My plan now covers Meds that my doctors are sure will NOT be covered. All they see is HMO these days.

And I am $10K or better out of pocket, and slowly still getting reimbursed. I pissed off people and found some good Doctors, that are highly paid and trained....they act like they care (for the money)

From the stories I hear in Canada, why would I be allow to live in govt heath care? They were not going to let me live in an HMO, much less forced Obama Care or in Canada.

Why? Well, in Canada I would not have gotten those (how do I find out???) tests. My HMO knew very well they were triaging me and trying to get me to go ahead and not live (for the money.)

When health won't allow me to USE my money to get the treatment of MY CHOICE;
When it's all about the reasonable and customary with no OPTIONS';
When the diagnostic imaging is RATIONED;
When the Doctors are GOVT EMPLOYEES;
When the Doctors are trained only for the USUAL;

It IS NOT health care. It is managed death. To me, Canada manages death. So, you think I'm wrong.

Give me fact and figures, not arguments of how Americans can be so stupid and on and on......<yawn>

What would happen to your dad, in Canada in this situation?

I see a real fact of life, now. No one gives a shit about me in Heath Care. I have to manage my heath and be self-insured, when necessary. I require that choice. Do you have that?

I hear about Canadians coming to the US and paying retail for diagnostic imaging and procedures they can't wait in line for.

Could it be that Canadian Medicine is like the Canadian Navy. It is only viable because the US is right here with CHOICE and PROTECTION?

Canada would not have voted for govt managed care, had no US Emergency Services been available?

Just discussion points.
 

burgertime2010

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I choose to have the 35,000 a year that my treatment would cost if it were first rate...but I cannot and neither do the 10% of applicants that receive disability. I had no choice in the U.S. I was uninsureable and am forced, by reality, to get managed second rate care in the in the US the same as Canadians. When health won't allow me to USE my money to get the treatment of MY CHOICE; When it's all about the reasonable and customary with no OPTIONS'; When the diagnostic imaging is RATIONED; When the Doctors are GOVT EMPLOYEES; When the Doctors are trained only for the USUAL; What is fair? Do rich people deserve to keep the private health caresystem in business at all? If all the doctors were competing to be employed wouldn't my doctor be better? The choice seems to ensure I receive terrible doctors? Health care costs are the 2nd leading cause of bankruptcy. I find it depressing, but I guess i am grateful to what I have now than nothing at all. I don't have a great argument, but I considered German citizenship to remedy my issue. Both Germans and Canadians have longer life expectancy than the U.S. You make a good arguement for the wealthy I make a good argument for children, elderly, and poor.
 

Doer

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But, in the US you and I can be self insured. Then there is choice. If on disability insurance you can still by supplements.

The poor cannot afford to live. Thus it is ever so. They have not provided or moved up, and quite possibly they buy into the idea they don't have to. I can think of nothing more de-motivating to a society than Free Heathcare for life. We are in a situation where we under-educate to keep a voting block for emotion tampering, social tinkering, and thought control via the Media (a la 1984) And those poor dumbed down, go to Emergency for a cold, to get Free Heathcare.

But it's not Free. The rest of us pay for them. Fine, when when only a few are poor. Take Oz. Organized Dole and no work required. And with only a few million people it works OK.

And if I didn't have a good job and extra money, I'd be dead. I choose not to.

So, it's not rich and poorer. It's dumb and dumber.
 

Moldy

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Fucking Obama caved to the blood sucking insurance companies thus we have no single payer plan. I have good insurance from my wife's employment but it got all screwed up after Obama sold out to the greedy bastards.

Healthcare should be free for all even if our taxes are higher and the insurance companies should be broken up and shut down. I'm getting really old and this is something that will probably bankrupt me even with insurance or medicare. The co-pays are larger and so are the deductibles. Thank you lair president... and I was a Democrat. They're all the same, cave to business to screw the citizens to keep the money rolling in for the next election. What a fucking joke! Oh yeah and stop screwing with my S.S. that I payed in for 50 god damn years. So, if you get sick and you have anything of value, sell it right away and stash the money. Or the other party's plan... if you get sick die quickly. I have road rage without a road.
 

Chemdog1989

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why do i even work i only make min wage in VA 7.25 an hour and they want to take 15% more of what i make i get nothing in my paychecks.
 

tokeprep

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Fucking Obama caved to the blood sucking insurance companies thus we have no single payer plan. I have good insurance from my wife's employment but it got all screwed up after Obama sold out to the greedy bastards.

Healthcare should be free for all even if our taxes are higher and the insurance companies should be broken up and shut down. I'm getting really old and this is something that will probably bankrupt me even with insurance or medicare. The co-pays are larger and so are the deductibles. Thank you lair president... and I was a Democrat. They're all the same, cave to business to screw the citizens to keep the money rolling in for the next election. What a fucking joke! Oh yeah and stop screwing with my S.S. that I payed in for 50 god damn years. So, if you get sick and you have anything of value, sell it right away and stash the money. Or the other party's plan... if you get sick die quickly. I have road rage without a road.
When a policy is based on a vision instead of being carefully designed and reasoned, the people should be afraid. Obamacare was the product of Congress, informed and encouraged by a legion of healthcare industry lobbyists with draft statutes in hand, rather than of reason and logic. Had it been bold, it would have been admirable, but instead it's a farce.
 

burgertime2010

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But, in the US you and I can be self insured. Then there is choice. If on disability insurance you can still by supplements. The poor cannot afford to live. Thus it is ever so. They have not provided or moved up, and quite possibly they buy into the idea they don't have to. I can think of nothing more de-motivating to a society than Free Heathcare for life. We are in a situation where we under-educate to keep a voting block for emotion tampering, social tinkering, and thought control via the Media (a la 1984) And those poor dumbed down, go to Emergency for a cold, to get Free Heathcare. But it's not Free. The rest of us pay for them. Fine, when when only a few are poor. Take Oz. Organized Dole and no work required. And with only a few million people it works OK. And if I didn't have a good job and extra money, I'd be dead. I choose not to. So, it's not rich and poorer. It's dumb and dumber.
That is why it is depressing to me, I thought your scenario was hypothetical. It is rich and poorer though, I don't consider myself a dumb person. 5 years ago, I would have had the same exact perspective you do. I had my own business, I employed 15 people, and I wouldn't find this a topic worth arguing about. I got in a car accident and my brain hemorrhaged causing a seizure disorder that can be fatal. For a couple years I could afford the level of care that saved your life. Now, I would just be dead. The moment I got the diagnosis I would put a gun in my mouth to manage the terms of my death. How am I supposed to react? Nothing I had control over caused this, nor did a 1984 scenario. I am now just another "taker" a burden on this country. Well fuck that. What if we took 20% of the Military spending and directed it toward healthcare.....nothing would change at all. If we are going to ignore people in need of care at least have it be for choices that they made like drinking 3 gallons of soda everyday. I am luckier than most....at least I got injured enough to get help. Now, I cannot make more than 1000 per month, cannot drive, and have terrible drug-dealer hack doctors. Maybe I cant see your argument clearly because through my rage. A bill like mine for your scenario and you would be dead either way.
 

londonfog

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why do i even work i only make min wage in VA 7.25 an hour and they want to take 15% more of what i make i get nothing in my paychecks.
that 15% seems a bit high are you sure its that...are you in a State that agreed to expansion of medicaid under the Affordable Health Act ??? You do realize your wage income makes you eligible for income-based subsidies. In short if your company is now taking 15% more out of your paycheck as a low wage worker and saying its for health insurance. One you are getting fucked..Two They can't do that...Three you really need to do some homework of your options.

EDIT.just saw you said you are in VA. As A low wage worker you qualify for Medicaid or federal health insurance tax credits. NO way in the hell you should be having 15% of your check going to healthcare. Someone is fucking yo. Your State under McDonnell decided to let the Feds work the program instead of taking the State based exchanged. Either way you a low wage worker so you have options that will leave you paying nothing..DO your homework
 

burgertime2010

Well-Known Member
Fucking Obama caved to the blood sucking insurance companies thus we have no single payer plan. I have good insurance from my wife's employment but it got all screwed up after Obama sold out to the greedy bastards. Healthcare should be free for all even if our taxes are higher and the insurance companies should be broken up and shut down. I'm getting really old and this is something that will probably bankrupt me even with insurance or medicare. The co-pays are larger and so are the deductibles. Thank you lair president... and I was a Democrat. They're all the same, cave to business to screw the citizens to keep the money rolling in for the next election. What a fucking joke! Oh yeah and stop screwing with my S.S. that I payed in for 50 god damn years. So, if you get sick and you have anything of value, sell it right away and stash the money. Or the other party's plan... if you get sick die quickly. I have road rage without a road.
You deserve to be mad. I support you.
 
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