First ever grow; 600w hps 3 plant SCROG

Psychonautic Tendencies

Psychonautic Tendencies

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This is on May 21(one month ago). The smallest plant was removed due to being male.image.jpeg
This is June 7th. image.jpeg
This is today.image.jpeg Going to add a lot more info soon, currently posting from iPhone. Here they are currently, they are around 4 weeks into flower. Soil is terrible heavy native Clay/silt loam this time around. They seem to be on track to me. What do you think I can expect per plant, there are 3 in the pictures. I'm optimistically hoping a half pound or something.
 
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ipeeinpools

ipeeinpools

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They seem to be getting out of hand a little bit TBH, they need to be cleaned up. Lots of debate out there on defoliating or not, but when you scrog a plant, there needs to be SOME defoliating. I do my defoliating slowly so not to stress the plant too much. If you take too many leaves off at once, she'll freak out and concentrate on producing more leaves lol. My rule of thumb is a small handful of leaves every other day for the first 3 weeks of flower. I have a 3gal bucket that I just emptied of leaves lol. Scrogging creates a monster. Might want to thinking about another trellis too.

I would also get rid of the bottom half of your plants. clean those branches bare, your 600W isn't going to do much for that part of the plant, so all that bottom growth is just taking energy away from the buds your truly want.
 
Psychonautic Tendencies

Psychonautic Tendencies

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ipeeinpools said:
They seem to be getting out of hand a little bit TBH, they need to be cleaned up. Lots of debate out there on defoliating or not, but when you scrog a plant, there needs to be SOME defoliating. I do my defoliating slowly so not to stress the plant too much. If you take too many leaves off at once, she'll freak out and concentrate on producing more leaves lol. My rule of thumb is a small handful of leaves every other day for the first 3 weeks of flower. I have a 3gal bucket that I just emptied of leaves lol. Scrogging creates a monster. Might want to thinking about another trellis too.

I would also get rid of the bottom half of your plants. clean those branches bare, your 600W isn't going to do much for that part of the plant, so all that bottom growth is just taking energy away from the buds your truly want.
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Will do, and they got kinda overgrown due to a nutrient lockout right when I was gonna start flowering originally fro overwatering. So it delayed me putting them into flower for a good 3 weeks.
 
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BRANDON77

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that is not a scrog, that is simply growing plants through a screen. a scrog is when you tuck and pull to keep them all level and ON the screen to create one big layer for the lights to shine on. Use zip ties if you dont like tucking....over net, under net, over net etc....until its totally level with the screen. Cheers, happy growing!!!!

those are too big to do that at this point, just bloom em out after you lollipop em.
 
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BRANDON77

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re-looked at pics, those look good....just finish em and do a proper scrog next time if you want to....that tent/nets looks like a good 4 or 6 plant spot.
 
Psychonautic Tendencies

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BRANDON77 said:
re-looked at pics, those look good....just finish em and do a proper scrog next time if you want to....that tent/nets looks like a good 4 or 6 plant spot.
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Thanks for the feedback! I assure you lots of tucking was done mostly during vegetative though, but if you saw the under canopy the branches are quick spread out and even look main lined a bit. But yea I think next grow I'll start flowering sooner and I'm also gonna be usin grow bags which I know is going to improve them quite a bit.
 
OldMedUser

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That screen isn't even going to support the colas as it's set up and it's definitely not a ScroG. Everything under the screen should be removed if you want big colas up top where the light is. Just leave lower branches that have top buds above the screen where they can get light and nip off the small buds further down those branches.

I've done a dozen ScroG grows in pots and DWC and done properly can easily double the yield.

Good luck!
 
Psychonautic Tendencies

Psychonautic Tendencies

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OldMedUser said:
That screen isn't even going to support the colas as it's set up and it's definitely not a ScroG. Everything under the screen should be removed if you want big colas up top where the light is. Just leave lower branches that have top buds above the screen where they can get light and nip off the small buds further down those branches.

I've done a dozen ScroG grows in pots and DWC and done properly can easily double the yield.

Good luck!
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Everything below the screen is trimmed off, every bud is above the grid. Although those pictures don't make it look as thought they are. They just got too tall for the screen I feel. Excuse this shitty picture of the underside of a plant, had to take a still from a video I did.image.png
 
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BRANDON77

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bottoms look perfect to me. you can run the first layer through a screen like that and tuck the 2nd layer if you want to do a 2nd...i normally just tuck the 1st but other people do it differently so to each their own lol. cheers
 
Enigma

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My opinion, do not remove budding sites. Defoliate the fan leaves, slowly, to allow light to reach the lower budding sites.

Screens are great if you train the plant to them using hemp twine or something soft that won't cut into the shoots.

Focus on the shoots, they produce bud the leaves are just leaves, you'll see leaves forming inside of the buds soon enough those you keep.

$0.02

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I was under the assumption that the larger healthy fan leaves was the key component to sugar production for the plant. I have been experimenting with cutting off half of each big fan leaf, with the idea that it still can do its job and allow more light to penetrate. I removed a bit more of the really small short whispy buds, and took some more clones to do a monster cropping grow with. You guys think a half pound is over zealous?
 
Enigma

Enigma

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The leaves do produce sugar, the buds will produce their own leaves. The trick is getting light to each every bud site to get maximum yield.

I tried trimming leaves when I first started defoliating, now I take the whole thing and not think twice.

What I will NEVER do is remove a bud site.

Just don't stress her too much, defoliate gradually.

By the end of the grow the only leaves on the plant will be sticking out of fat, sticky nuggets.
 
Enigma

Enigma

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Simple calculation:

600w at 0.5 gram per watt is 300 grams dry.

A pound is ~454 grams, half of that is 227 grams.

I'd say, barring any catastrophic accidents, a half pound is the least you will get.

Now, I've seen people (myself included) get anywhere from 0.6 grams per watt to 1.6 grams per watt on HPS (soil to hydro respectively).

There are a lot of factors that play into those numbers though, aim low and be pleased with going over.. if you aim high and end up low then you'll get frustrated.

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Psychonautic Tendencies

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Thanks for the responses, I'm excited to keep you guys updated and see my final result of these delicious buds. And better yet it's just an appetizer until my outdoor harvest :). When people post videos on here do people watch? I make videos of my cannabis cultivation a projects and diy progress just for myself, but would like to share them if they'd be watched. Their like 3-5 mins a piece and vary from diy compost trommel wheel, to how to make a large efficient air pump for free for large batches of AACT
 
ipeeinpools

ipeeinpools

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Enigma said:
Simple calculation:

600w at 0.5 gram per watt is 300 grams dry.

A pound is ~454 grams, half of that is 227 grams.

I'd say, barring any catastrophic accidents, a half pound is the least you will get.

Now, I've seen people (myself included) get anywhere from 0.6 grams per watt to 1.6 grams per watt on HPS (soil to hydro respectively).

There are a lot of factors that play into those numbers though, aim low and be pleased with going over.. if you aim high and end up low then you'll get frustrated.

:leaf:
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Some bud sites should be removed. I think what OldMedUser is talking about is the bud sides further down the branch, not the main bud sites that get light. I remove the first 1-3 bud sites off each branch that holds viable bud. those bud sites are doing nothing for your weight, just taking up more nutes to produce nothing. Helps push everything to the main budsites. Sometimes i'll leave a few of the bud sites i normally clip IF they are getting constant light. And thats only to produce sugar for my concentrates.
 
ipeeinpools

ipeeinpools

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Psychonautic Tendencies said:
Thanks for the responses, I'm excited to keep you guys updated and see my final result of these delicious buds. And better yet it's just an appetizer until my outdoor harvest :). When people post videos on here do people watch? I make videos of my cannabis cultivation a projects and diy progress just for myself, but would like to share them if they'd be watched. Their like 3-5 mins a piece and vary from diy compost trommel wheel, to how to make a large efficient air pump for free for large batches of AACT
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I'm so busy that my buckets keep going bad on me but I like to do my own Bokashi compost....I'm a chef so vegetable scraps are easy to come by and the shit is AMAZING when i don't ruin it. Also the link in my sig is my current grow and i show how I scrog my plants into flower. the day I flip is the day i start my scrog. I'll take a pic tonight to show you what that thing is producing lol
 
Enigma

Enigma

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ipeeinpools said:
Some bud sites should be removed. I think what OldMedUser is talking about is the bud sides further down the branch, not the main bud sites that get light. I remove the first 1-3 bud sites off each branch that holds viable bud. those bud sites are doing nothing for your weight, just taking up more nutes to produce nothing. Helps push everything to the main budsites. Sometimes i'll leave a few of the bud sites i normally clip IF they are getting constant light. And thats only to produce sugar for my concentrates.
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From experience, I'll never remove another bud site in my lifetime unless it is rotting or molding.

Defoliation will increase yields by allowing light to the lower shoots. The lower shoots will then grow up (especially in ScroG) and produce nuggets.

If the plant is not defoliated then the lower bud sites will be over shadowed by fan leaves.

I'd rather have bud than leaf.

:leaf:
 
ipeeinpools

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Enigma said:
From experience, I'll never remove another bud site in my lifetime unless it is rotting or molding.

Defoliation will increase yields by allowing light to the lower shoots. The lower shoots will then grow up (especially in ScroG) and produce nuggets.

If the plant is not defoliated then the lower bud sites will be over shadowed by fan leaves.

I'd rather have bud than leaf.

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A bud can have complete light coverage but if its too far from the light, then your wasting your time. (for smokeable bud at least) I'd rather have bigger top buds than trim popcorn.
 
Enigma

Enigma

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ipeeinpools said:
A bud can have complete light coverage but if its too far from the light, then your wasting your time. (for smokeable bud at least) I'd rather have bigger top buds than trim popcorn.
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Defoliation will help that, along with the proper lighting.
 
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