First indoor grow - Bag seed

Whorlwind

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Howdy. Lets begin with some basic information about my grow.

Total number of plants: 3
Start date: Planted germinated seeds on 4/17 - One appeared on 4/18, and the other two popped on 4/19. All were established and growing by 4/20
Strain: Unknown mid-range bag seed. All I know for sure is that it has a classic skunky smell
Soil: Fox Farm Ocean Forest
Light: 250w 2700k CFL http://www.ebay.com/itm/271512478771
Light schedule: ~23/0 at seedling stage. Roughly once a day, I turn off the light for an hour and spritz them.
Other important info: This grow has 3 plants in the same 3-gallon fabric pot
Other equipment: Desk fan. Tons of spare PC fans (Not in use yet), Analog timer (Not in use yet)


I am currently planning and buying parts for a grow cabinet, which will most likely be a thrift store wardrobe outfitted with PC fans and Mylar walls. I decided to start the grow early because the plants won't need to be on a light schedule for a while, and the loss of light isn't yet a concern, since 250w is more than enough for these seedlings. They're getting everything they need at the moment.

As with any bagseed, these are not feminized. I am prepared for at least one to be male, which I will mercilessly slay when the time comes.

This is obviously extremely budgeted and ragtag at the moment. That being said, here are some photos of the progress:

(I take photos daily, and I am about to post the shit out of them. View as many or as little as you want, knowing that there will be a lot of them, and that I will point out which days are actually important.)

Day 2:
(After all 3 sprouted)

Day 3:


Named Tyler for it's height (leading to a male prediction). It was the first to sprout, on 4/19


Named Emily. For whatever reason, its first set of leaves grew "cut in half" and extremely wide. Very pretty, though


Let's call this one Runt. As you'll see in a minute, the title makes sense.


Day 5:

Day 7:
Tyler

Emily

Runt (Soon after sprouting, one of it cotyledon leaves shriveled, and so far that side has been stunted, even on the next set of leaves)


[I hit the photo limit - continuing on next post]

 

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Whorlwind

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Day 8:
To my surprise (and delight) they began stanking on this day, if you stick your nose right up in it. Soooo yummy, and so much earlier than I expected.
Also, this day was the climax of an issue regarding the new leaves turning brown. I posted about it on the plant problems forum, and it seems to have cleared up since. Link to that
Tyler

Emily

Runt


Day 9:
From left to right: Tyler, Emily, Runt. This shows clearly the height disparity.

Tyler, showing off it's twisted wildcard genetics.

Emily, also quite wonky. Still the most beautiful if you ask me!

Runt, ridin' low. It may be the smallest, and suffered an apparent stroke on one side, but it is the most uniform of the three.


I took this photo minutes ago, 12 hours after those last four. This is their current state.

I am very happy with how this grow is coming along. Now that this journal has begun, I will try to take photos around noon every day for consistency's sake.
Advice and comments are more than welcome!
 

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Whorlwind

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Day 10:
Tyler, upskirt with twist tie
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Emily, with small yellow spots
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Runt
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All three. I'm thinking of training Emily (bottom) to grow over to the left, to fill in the logical spot that I originally intended.
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Health report and questions:
So all three of the babies are exhibiting a potential health problem; they are blackening around the edges. I'd like to get some possible explanations as to what it is, if anybody has got one. It isn't easy to see at first glance, but upon closer inspection the shiny black edges are very apparent.
Runt is getting it the worst:
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Emily is second worst
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Tyler seems to be least affected overall, but has a couple localized black tips that worry me.
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I've been told that the soil I am using is hot for seedlings. Could that be the cause of this? Or could I be burning them by putting them too close to the light? (3-6 inches most of the time)
Anyway, that's all for today!
 

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KillsPlants

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are you letting soil dry out are you lifting the pot to make sure it's light before watering(the pot) do y got any white spider web like mold in the soil? normally in trenches
 

Whorlwind

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Over watering could easily be the culprit. I let the soil dry out to my first knuckle before re-watering, but I spritz them multiple times a day. Gonna cut back on that immediately (I was planning on weening them off that in the coming weeks anyway). Also going to let it dry out even further before watering.
No webs or pests; that's the first thing I check for.

The droopy first leaves are just extremely mangled looking by default, regardless of how much I water them.
 

Kind Sir

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Ocean forest is a hot soil (Im on first grow and wil use mixture with happy frog next time before first transplant.) Your plants will bounce back, no nutes for like three weeks man im not kidding! Imo thsts all thats going on, whats ph of water going in? What kind of water?

What nutes you going to use? Temp and rh?
 

Kind Sir

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Alot of peolle say to not spray them, I did the first few weeks once every other day at the most, watch out for overwatering. I work so I usually end up watering my bigger plants after th3y start to droop a little. I found a flying bug a few weeks ago, so ever since that I dry the soil out before watering.


You should look into pest prevention now.
 

Whorlwind

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Day 11
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Health report and questions:
I'm thinking now that my babies are dealing with either a Phosphorus deficiency, or.... god forbid... Hemp Mosaic Virus. If anybody is educated on either of these, please weigh in.

Gray, thick/curved leaf edges:
I attributed this to heat/light stress, however heat stress looks different than this, does it not? And why would the shortest, and therefore the coldest/furthest from the light plant be affected worse than the others?
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Yellow splotching:
This wasn't too prevalent until this morning when I noticed it all over the two bigger plants.
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Older leaves are whacky, curved, and perhaps slightly darker:
Originally attributed to bagseed genetics. The shortest (Runt) is not exhibiting this.
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^^^I'm keeping a close eye on that yellow spot. Under 100x magnification, it looks like an area of tiny trichomes just... exploded and scorched the leaf - should I be worried? Does it look like any sort of mold?

Wonky leaves on Emily:
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Is this the "red stem" symptom associated with Phosphorus deficiency, or is this normal?
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As you can see, I am really trying to cover all of my bases. If there are going to be problems (which is to be expected with my first grow), I want to catch them as soon as humanly possible.
 

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Whorlwind

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Ocean forest is a hot soil (Im on first grow and wil use mixture with happy frog next time before first transplant.) Your plants will bounce back, no nutes for like three weeks man im not kidding! Imo thsts all thats going on, whats ph of water going in? What kind of water?

What nutes you going to use? Temp and rh?
Whoops, I forgot to reply to your advice. I don't have a thermometer or ph tester yet, as I'm buying things for the setup as I go. I started the grow as soon as I had a light, soil, germinated seeds, and pots. Both of those are at the top of my list for future purchases, along with nutes and a wardrobe to convert to a grow cabinet.

Temp is not much more than room temp, if even that. Water is filtered tap water.
 

Whorlwind

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Day 12

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Health report and questions:

So I have a question to anyone who has experience with bag-seed: Exactly how unpredictable can the genes be? I'm having a hard time believing Runt (top right) is the same strain as the other two. Can 2 plants of the same strain differ this much? I believe the seeds that I germinated for this grow were from 2 separate bags, between which my dealer may have changed sources. Either way, we'll find out later in their life.

They've all started growth between their preexisting branches.
I doubt very much that they are preflowers, as they're not even 2 weeks old. Right? (pic of Emily)
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Tyler (Plant 1)
I clipped off the lower leaf with a yellow spot, as it was getting bigger. It was mangled anyway, and it got very little light because it was the outer-lower leaf. (With one big light instead of many smaller ones, the light comes from the center of the pot and hits mainly the leaves facing inwards.)
Also, can anyone explain why my babies stems are looking so unhealthy? On this plant, in particular, it looks like it's split open.
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Emily (Plant 2)
This one's got quite a pronounced yellow steak. I sure hope they don't have HMV, but I'm not worried until more evidence shows.
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Runt (Plant 3)
(Center of pic) Still smaller, but free of the "grotesque mutations" of the other two. It's generally healthier looking than the others, too. I've got high hopes for this one!​
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That's all for today.

PS: Oh, and they are getting so stanky. I no longer have to bury my nose in them to get the scent; Simply sitting next to them while I work is enough. Pretty soon it will overtake my room, and I will be forever happy.
 

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Whorlwind

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Day 12
They are officially overlapping each other. Very soon, I am going to begin training Emily (Bottom right) over to the left to fill the empty space and give Runt (Top right) some breathing room. The only problem with that is how incredibly short and dense she is - it's going to be tough.
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That's all for today!
 

Whorlwind

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Day 13:
Their growth is exploding.
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I partied a bit last night, which means I wasn't able to check them for like 20 hours (longest I've gone without seeing them). All three of them leaned due to the fan, but Tyler was especially affected. It's weak roots and taller stature caused it to lean 45 degrees. I stood it back up and gave it some support. Hopefully the roots/stem will get stronger, but I'm worried the growing weight will bring it down.
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Tyler's also got a weird reddish brown spot, along with all of its yellow patches.
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Emily
We've officially got 7 fingered leaves. That's not water on them, it's the plant's natural oil.
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Runt
Just so much healthier looking, still. It's also got the strongest roots/stem.
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That's all for today!
 

TheAngbadang

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About the stems I think they are healthy , In my modest experience with growing (3-4 plants before my determined grow) I have noticed that they all look like they splitting.I think its just shedding the older top layers of seedling tissue and growing stronger tissue.
Don't quote me on that though :D.
 

Whorlwind

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About the stems I think they are healthy , In my modest experience with growing (3-4 plants before my determined grow) I have noticed that they all look like they splitting.I think its just shedding the older top layers of seedling tissue and growing stronger tissue.
Don't quote me on that though :D.

You are absolutely right =D Their stems have fully recovered, and are MUCH stronger. In fact, they've grown so strong that I feel comfortable enough to begin Low-stress training all 3 of them into more ideal positions. Pics below!

Day 14 - 2 weeks old
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That's all for today!​
 

Kind Sir

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I didnt realize your plants are in 1 pot. Reason is you dont have more?
Dont want their roots to get tangled, I saw someone else do the same thing and had hard time transplanting.

Lets see a picture
 

Whorlwind

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I didnt realize your plants are in 1 pot. Reason is you dont have more?
Dont want their roots to get tangled, I saw someone else do the same thing and had hard time transplanting.

Lets see a picture
I originally intended this to be a test run of my lighting system, so I used bagseed before spending money on feminized seed or clones. Since there is a good chance of a male or hermaphrodite, I planted 3 with the intention of killing off the males. And I only bought 3 gallons of soil and five 3-gallon pots. I never intended to transplant them - I doubt they can be separated at this point. However, I may be able to move the entire thing to a bigger pot (especially if these are all female). I have more soil now, so I just may do that.
The fact that they are all in one pot also helps with keeping the light close (unintended benefit). If they were all in their own 3 gallon pots, they would be more spread out.

So, you want a picture of what? I've been taking daily pictures of the plants. xD
 
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Whorlwind

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Day 15:
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LST is continuing:
Utilizing a piece of the desk fan to assist
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I fed a light tea of 4-2-3 fertilizer to the babies. Hopefully it will fight the yellowing.

That is all for today!
 

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Whorlwind

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Day 16:
Training continues still
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Inner growth
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Pot size increased to ~6 gallon
I cut the bottom of the fabric pot with a knife and pot it in another 3 gallon pot of soil.
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That's all for today!
 
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