First SCROG failed to impress - how to improve?

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philbu

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I have one grow under the belt. It was successful, but failed to impress. Indoor, SCROG, 4x6 area, veg with T5’s, flower with 2 1000w HPS. Battled modest spider mite invasion and won. Nipped powdery mildew in the bud. No obvious nute lockout, nor burning. Humidity well controlled, got the harvest time correct, dry/cure, no problem. Grow looked good overall. However, due to one, or a combination of factors, the total dry yield was 18 oz. Too many plants for the area (18) or pots too small (3gal), or a few extra- warm days in the room, some light loss in a 4x6 area in a 10x10 room, maybe could have pushed nutes more, I don’t know.

I will have a better handle on those issues, looking for major improvement. Two goals: First, 10 oz per plant. Down the line, 1 lb per plant.

Focusing on the first, is 10 oz per plant in a scrog just a myth or ugly rumor?

If it is possible, how to achieve this goal in the same 4x6 space with the same lights?

Maybe 6 plants in 5 or 7 gal pots? 10 gal pots?

Scrog or LST tie-down style?

I’m going with Green Crack again, it’s Sativa leaning, known to be a good yielder (user error on my part) and fast flowering (true).

I grow mostly for others and would greatly appreciate some advice from experienced growers who get good yields.

Thanks much!

philbu
 
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Slab

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How long did the flowering take? I had the early cut, early flower only lasted 15 days. Not Great for Scrog. That is a lot of light, the inventor of the technique used shop lights.
 
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philbu

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Slab said:
How long did the flowering take? I had the early cut, early flower only lasted 15 days. Not Great for Scrog. That is a lot of light, the inventor of the technique used shop lights.
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GC is known for being fast, 49 days and def could have cut them then, but let go to day 53 for trichs to show the way i wanted.
Wow, 15 day flower? Did you figure out why?

thnx!
 
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philbu

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Yes larger pots for sure.
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So, that's a factor I'm trying to figure out. Six pots, 5, 7 or 10 gal would all fit in the space. Two things about that,(1) time necessary to veg plants to take full advantage of pot size and (2) would plants get too big for the 4x6 space (height is not an issue).
 
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ricky6991

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Something i have learned over pas 2 years is, more plants dont always equal less veg with same yield as more veg on Less plants.

A 4×4 scrog under 1 1kw in middle of screen will only need one plant. 6-8 week veg time with training and the drop screen on plant for sretch time. Lollipop afterwards. Can get over 1 lb everytime... doesnt feel it but just give 1 or 2 plants the enitre screen until its filled and flip to 12/12

Top plant after 4th branch and Do not supercrop or tie them down. As they grow try to bend them down without snapping or kinking them. Its going to open up middle and make canopy quickly without loosig growth due to stunting.

Picture is 4×4 with 1 plant uder 1light and got 26 z.... obviously more plants in that room but that is the layout
 

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philbu

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ricky6991 said:
Picture is 4×4 with 1 plant uder 1light and got 26 z.... obviously more plants in that room but that is the layout
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oof! hmm. really nice there, ricky.

ricky6991 said:
Something i have learned over pas 2 years is, more plants dont always equal less veg with same yield as more veg on Less plants.
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that make sense and worth remembering

ricky6991 said:
Top plant after 4th branch and Do not supercrop or tie them down. As they grow try to bend them down without snapping or kinking them. Its going to open up middle and make canopy quickly without loosig growth due to stunting.
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you only top once?
yeah, i'm good at finesse bending and if i can get away without tying, so much the better.

ricky6991 said:
A 4×4 scrog under 1 1kw in middle of screen will only need one plant. 6-8 week veg time with training and the drop screen on plant for sretch time. Lollipop afterwards. Can get over 1 lb everytime... doesnt feel it but just give 1 or 2 plants the enitre screen until its filled and flip to 12/12
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I don't know whether to do 2 plants in my 4x6 (have 2 1000w) or 4. only reason i wonder about 4 is hedging my bet due to lack of experience. i can tell you're pro and know what you do is possible, tip of the hat. so, i have food for thought...thnx for the response : )

my first grow: IMG_1671.JPG
 
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ricky6991

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Cant take responsibility for that pic lol... i learned techniques from local older guy. He gets almost 2 lb each plant off diff strains under 1 light, everytime.

Just passing it along. I have been doing this same method and i can see growth every single day... everytime i bend em down new nodes grow an inch each atleast. Pretty nuts.

14 day growth. Pics do not do them justice... they still have 3-4 weeks veg left. Those are not all for that one room btw lol
 

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philbu

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Pre-flower for 15 days total was 41-43
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ah, i see.

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Cant take responsibility for that pic lol... i learned techniques from local older guy. He gets almost 2 lb each plant off diff strains under 1 light, everytime.
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wow.

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Just passing it along. I have been doing this same method and i can see growth every single day... everytime i bend em down new nodes grow an inch each atleast. Pretty nuts.
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no, very useful, appreciate the info

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14 day growth. Pics do not do them justice... they still have 3-4 weeks veg left. Those are not all for that one room btw lol
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they'd get too big for the room, yes? that's what i need, more space.

so, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basic nute regimen, without giving up any state secrets. : )
 
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ricky6991

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No secret regimen... i use gh nutes. Follow the chart at 3/4 strength. Feed then water and repeat with promix.

Growth has been awesome. Trying to just keep it simple and givr them appropriate training and time.

My room maybe decent size with more lights but the idea us to figure out growth an yeild by a per plant per light basis so you can fine tune your skills and ensure each plant gets full time it needs.

A plant is capable of getting atleasr 1 lb when under 1 light... the way medical industry is going the plantcount will be next to nothing. Gotta practice good technique.
 
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ricky6991

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To answer your question... they get about 4ft before the switch. So yeah those plants for for not just one room. Vegging under 6000w in one room.
 
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philbu

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ricky6991 said:
No secret regimen... i use gh nutes. Follow the chart at 3/4 strength. Feed then water and repeat with promix.
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Sorry, "repeat with promix"?

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Growth has been awesome. Trying to just keep it simple and givr them appropriate training and time.
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keeping it simple, agree, but GH's feeding schedule shows 6 products plus 2 optional. That's a lot of stuff. I know many of the nute companies suggest a "big three" regimen, like FF's Grow Big, Big Bloom, and Tiger Bloom, which I've been using. But then again, they have a good 8 other products they suggest to add and I don't know if i'm missing out by not using one or all of those extras. yikes...

ricky6991 said:
My room maybe decent size with more lights but the idea us to figure out growth an yeild by a per plant per light basis so you can fine tune your skills and ensure each plant gets full time it needs.
A plant is capable of getting atleasr 1 lb when under 1 light... the way medical industry is going the plantcount will be next to nothing. Gotta practice good technique.
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all makes sense, thnx
 
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philbu said:
I will have a better handle on those issues, looking for major improvement. Two goals: First, 10 oz per plant. Down the line, 1 lb per plant.

Focusing on the first, is 10 oz per plant in a scrog just a myth or ugly rumor?

If it is possible, how to achieve this goal in the same 4x6 space with the same lights?
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I used 2X600w and 3 plants in 7 gal pots for my first scrog. I got 28 ounces. That convinced me that I could do 1 plant and 1 light for a pound.

Now I have 2 LEDs (Solar Storm 440) and 2 X600w HID. I'm doing 4 plants in 7 gal buckets. Anything less than a total of 30 ounces will be a disappointment. I'm hoping for 40 zs total this grow and if I can do that then I KNOW I can do 1 lb per light/plant.
 
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clayawesome

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U have 2000 watts over a 4'x 6' net? each of those lights should cover 5'x5'. u said its a 10 x 10 room. put the 2 lights in a row over a 5x10 net. plant count doesn't matter. fill the screen and then switch the light cycle. do u have a dehumidifier? ull need to be able to remover about 6 gallons of water from ur air a day. should be getting 2+ lbs per 1000w.
1 gram per watt is 2.2 lbs per light, but now a days we know 2 grams per watt is possible
 
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I just finished my first grow, not a scrog. I'm setting up my second right now and plan to scrog. I have been very back and forth on more plants, less veg or blah blah blah.
As I said, I haven't scroged yet, so I'm definitely no expert. However, I've done a boat load of research and a lot of what is being said seems to be 5 he general consesus.
I plan to do something similar to what clay said. I'm running 2 1kws running in line over a 5'x10' screen. 3 gal pots. I planned on doing 8 - 3gal pots in a 2x4 setup. Still not sure about that. Would be interested to see what your plans are and see what others have to say.
By the way, your first grow looked incredible!
 
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