First time tomato grower could use some advice please

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Are tomato seeds and cannabis seeds the same when trying to find good strains and breeders?

Are there breeders or brands that are more desirable than others?

If anyone could recommend some strains and brands of seeds that would be great!!

Im looking for tomatoes for making sauce and some that are great to eat just by themselves

They will be grown in Minnesota

Thank you!!))grow
 
I'm a big tomato grower and usually do three types.

Early Girls just to get something going and be eating fresh BLTs asap.
San Marzano are known for making a premium sauce, don't forget a nice food mill with a few blades.
Ugly Ripes/Heirloom type tomatoes they take much longer, but taste difference is huge. Most comercial tomatoes are selected to be round and red not taste wonderful. Heirlooms can be red, purple, burgundy, orange and grow in all sorts or weird shapes and sizes.
 
I'm a big tomato grower and usually do three types.

Early Girls just to get something going and be eating fresh BLTs asap.
San Marzano are known for making a premium sauce, don't forget a nice food mill with a few blades.
Ugly Ripes/Heirloom type tomatoes they take much longer, but taste difference is huge. Most comercial tomatoes are selected to be round and red not taste wonderful. Heirlooms can be red, purple, burgundy, orange and grow in all sorts or weird shapes and sizes.
Great! Thank you so much for this!!
 

The 10 Best Tomatoes for Tomato Sauce​

Not all tomatoes are created equal. Here are some of the best tomatoes to grow for making tomato sauce.

San Marzano tomatoes

1. San Marzano​

San Marzano is a prized, Italian, heirloom tomato for over 100 years. It’s the perfect tomato for sauce because it has low water content. That means you have to boil these tomatoes for a shorter period to develop the thick consistency needed for tomato sauce.

Chefs love San Marzano tomatoes because they have fewer seeds than other types and plenty of flesh, which is needed to thicken the sauce naturally.

If you want to add San Marzano tomatoes to your home garden, make sure you have a sunny, sheltered location. These plants need to be warm, so many prefer to grow them inside of greenhouses or containers. Expect a harvest from mid-June to early October.

roma tomatoes

2. Roma​

Roma tomatoes are a classic; it’s hard to beat them. This popular tomato is primarily used to create tomato paste and sauce, making a delicious base. Romas have firm, thick flesh and few seeds.

Vining tomatoes like Romas are a bit problematic if you want to use primarily only these to create sauces. Only a few fruits ripen at one time, so unless you have several of the same plants producing simultaneously, you’ll need to freeze the tomatoes and make the sauce later.

One benefit of Romas is that they’re relatively disease resistant. While they grow well in greenhouses and inside containers, they thrive in sunny, outside locations. Ensure strong support for these plants, or the vines might snap before the fruit ripens.

3. Giulietta​

Giulietta is a large, egg-shaped, Italian plum tomato that fruits from July to September. It grows well in greenhouses and cool conditions, as well as sunny outside spots.

One thing to know is that Giulietta tomato plants are large, typically reaching up to six feet tall. They require some staking to avoid falling over on the ground. The plants are indeterminate, producing large yields.

4. Super Italian Paste​

Here is another Italian heirloom tomato that produces reddish-orange fruits with thick, meaty flesh and few seeds. This combination makes it clear as to why it is a favorite for making tomato sauce.

These are vining tomatoes that don’t all ripen at the same time. They grow well in pots, but if you want to use these as a primary base for your tomato sauce, it’s best to grow several of them, starting at different time frames, to spread out your harvest.

Super Italian Paste tomatoes’ major problem is that they are vulnerable to blossom end rot caused by a calcium deficiency in the soil. Be sure not to keep the plants too wet, or late blight will develop.

5. Viva Italia​

Many chefs and gardeners swear by this variety of tomatoes for making a sauce. Viva Italia tomatoes are a great all-around choice because they have an excellent raw flavor, but their flavor increases once cooked.

This cultivar loves hot weather, growing well in warmer climates. Once planted in the spring, expect your first fruits to be ready after 90 days. It’s an easy to grow plant that handles growing in-ground gardens as well as containers. Make sure you provide a stake or support system for optimal growth.

6. Big Mama​

As you might have guessed from the name, Big Mama tomatoes are large and in charge. These plants produce a high yield of tomatoes, with the first fruits developing 90 to 110 days after planting.

Big Mama tomatoes are lemon-shaped with easy-to-peel-skin after boiling. That makes it even easier to use these fruits to make tomato sauce less fussy. Peeling tomato skins is never a fun task.

Chefs like this tomato because it has high flesh density with few seeds. However, it has a higher moisture level, so it needs more time to boil down or should be used for soups.

These aren’t small plants, so make sure you provide adequate support for the plants, or they’ll topple over. Make sure the soil has plenty of drainage, or the plant won’t grow well.

7. Amish Paste​

Amish Paste tomatoes are quite similar to Roma tomatoes in shape and texture. They’re a classic paste tomato with a firm, meaty flesh, and few seeds. The key difference between Roma and Amish Paste tomatoes is that the latter has a sweeter, fresher flavor that some prefer in their sauce.

These tomatoes date back at least 150 years, tracing back to Amish communities in Wisconsin and Pennslyvania. The Amish developed this tomato to be the perfect canning tomato, so you know it’s a great choice if the ultimate self-sufficient community prefers it.

These tomatoes reach up to 12 ounces, which is considered large for a paste tomato. The plants are large and require staking. Expect a harvest within 90 days after transplanting.

8. Costoluto Genovese​

Here is another Italian cultivar that is perfect for tomato sauce. Costoluto Genovese tomatoes are known for having intense flavor, making them ideal for a slicing tomato for sandwiches and a sauce tomato.

Costoluto Genovese also has a high acid content, which makes safely canning easier. The tomatoes reach up to eight ounces with heavy lobes and thick, meaty flesh.

Expect these plants to produce their harvest within 80 days after transplanting. Since this variety is indeterminate, it continues to grow throughout the entire growing season.

9. Opalka​

Opalka is a Polish, heirloom tomato, known for being rich and flavorful, more so than other paste tomatoes. These tomatoes are perfect for making tomato sauce because they have few seeds, thick flesh, and intense flavor.

Opalka tomatoes are great for processing; they stand up to the process well. They have a long, pepper-shape, reaching up to six inches long.

This tomato plant is indeterminate, so the fruit ripens throughout the entire season. It takes around 85 days after transplanting for the fruits to develop on the plant.

10. Jersey Giant​

Here is an heirloom paste tomato that is hard to find, but it’s a fantastic option for gardeners if you can find it. Jersey Giant tomato plants produce heavy yields, and the fruits measure around six inches long.

This New Jersey canning tomato has meaty, rich flesh that is much tastier than modern paste types. The fruits have few seeds, making it even easier to create the desired consistency for tomato sauce.

If you stumble upon these plants or seeds, know that Jersey Giant tomatoes have an indeterminate growth habit and produce fruits 80-90 days after transplanting.

Conclusion​

If you’re growing tomatoes to make homemade sauce, make sure you grow some of the best tomatoes for tomato sauce. These cultivars have meaty, rich flesh with fewer seeds, the perfect combination for making the right sauce consistency. Be sure to give a few of these a try!


just to get the juices flowing
 
“Paste tomatoes” are the types of tomatoes generally used for sauces, but most will work. Heirlooms tend have the better flavor over hybrids, but are often finicky to grow, more disease-prone, and are usually indeterminate (they grow like a vine instead of a bush, and the fruits ripen gradually, instead of all at once).

Tomato varieties are generally pretty stable from seed to seed, so there won’t really be any pheno hunting required beyond trying a plant from each pack.

Hybrids = tougher, more durable plants, better and more predictable harvests
Heirlooms = plants that were considered special enough to save for several decades, ability to grow something truly unique

Check these guys out for some neat seeds : https://renaissancefarms.org/ (I’ve successfully ordered from them)
 
Are tomato seeds and cannabis seeds the same when trying to find good strains and breeders?

Are there breeders or brands that are more desirable than others?

If anyone could recommend some strains and brands of seeds that would be great!!

Im looking for tomatoes for making sauce and some that are great to eat just by themselves

They will be grown in Minnesota

Thank you!!))grow
There's a big difference between dope and tomato seeds as tomatoes have been properly bred for generations with many stable, true breeding varieties and as many hybrids. Although genetic studies have found that modern tomato varieties have lost genes associated with flavour as breeders focused on commercial aspects like early and even maturation, high yields, better for transportation, etc. So if top quality is your goal look for heritage varieties or ones bred specifically with flavour in mind. I'd personally look for local recommendations for seed companies as they'll have a better idea of what works well in your area. Which varieties perform best depend on local conditions as much as anything else, find some local gardening/farming/homesteading groups and see what are popular selections.
 
Romas are great for processing. I dont much care for them raw. With maters your gonna find most things have been pretty standardized and I doubt there will be a big difference in results based on the brand name on the seed pack. If your grabbing started plants Bonnie's best has been the nursery that have provided plants that have done best in my veggie garden.


Small breeds (cherry/grape breeds) are super easy. Larger breeds (beefeater) require better watering practice to avoid uneven ripenning, bottom footing.
 
I prefer indeterminate heirloom types for flavor. My favorite is Pineapple (especially for a BLT).....Also love Green Zebra and some type of Roma (best in salsa, imo). I usually include a Black Krim, too and I try a few new ones each year, as well. The trick is to get the fruit ripe on the vine before the weather changes. I typically end up bringing in lots of green fruits and letting them ripen indoors. After that, it's salsa making/canning time!!

I turn the soil a couple times and add composted steer manure...bury the plants deep and tilt them in order to get the most rooting. After that, I string them up. I've gotten 11-15 foot vines several times -aways more fruit than we can eat/process. We give bunches away to neighbors and donate the rest to soup kitchens or food banks.

It doesn't matter what I grow....weed, tomatoes, peppers....you name it....It's more about the satisfaction of getting good results than it is about the necessity. But, if it ever does become necessary, then growing your own food is one of the best skills you can learn!
 
We grow a lot of Cherokee Purple. Great taste, but the actual tomatoes don't look great. They have big cracks and you often lose up to a third of each fruit. I save my seeds from year to year. This season I will be growing f3 Purple Indians as I call them.

Some of my wife's friends like the yellow pear tomato and I grow a couple of them each year. They are crazy producers. We always get sick of them there are so many.
 
Second year gardener here.

I support San Marz. I could eat them off the vine. Made me fall in love with homegrown tomatoes.

This year I am growing
Red Cherry
Chocolate Cherry
and Small Cherry
Yellow Bush
Cherokee Purple
Abe Lincoln
Roma
San Marz.

I am looking for a favorite. Probably bit more off than I can chew!
I started about 14 plants way to early, uppotted to 1 gal grow bags, got too hairy in my tent, cut most of them down, propagating cuttings to be replanted from those that met the clippers.
 
if your growing toms, get some calcium nitrate, it stops blossom end rot
Yeah, or use up some of that Cal-Mag that we all have too much of for our "other" crops! ;) But, yeah, I seem to get blossom end rot on some varieties and then, another variety, right next to it, is perfect. Genetics! It's all about the genetics! I save all my seeds every year, too. I must be at F12 on some of them by now!
 
Stupice is a Czechoslovakian heirloom strain that ripens quickly. Not large by any means, but not a cherry variety either. Taste is excellent. In my top three favorite strains for the past 30+ years. Should do well outdoors in Minnesota.
 
Yeah, or use up some of that Cal-Mag that we all have too much of for our "other" crops! ;) But, yeah, I seem to get blossom end rot on some varieties and then, another variety, right next to it, is perfect. Genetics! It's all about the genetics! I save all my seeds every year, too. I must be at F12 on some of them by now!
This is helpful! Thank you
 
Second year gardener here.

I support San Marz. I could eat them off the vine. Made me fall in love with homegrown tomatoes.

This year I am growing
Red Cherry
Chocolate Cherry
and Small Cherry
Yellow Bush
Cherokee Purple
Abe Lincoln
Roma
San Marz.

I am looking for a favorite. Probably bit more off than I can chew!
I started about 14 plants way to early, uppotted to 1 gal grow bags, got too hairy in my tent, cut most of them down, propagating cuttings to be replanted from those that met the clippers.
Thank you!!
 

The 10 Best Tomatoes for Tomato Sauce​

Not all tomatoes are created equal. Here are some of the best tomatoes to grow for making tomato sauce.

San Marzano tomatoes

1. San Marzano​

San Marzano is a prized, Italian, heirloom tomato for over 100 years. It’s the perfect tomato for sauce because it has low water content. That means you have to boil these tomatoes for a shorter period to develop the thick consistency needed for tomato sauce.

Chefs love San Marzano tomatoes because they have fewer seeds than other types and plenty of flesh, which is needed to thicken the sauce naturally.

If you want to add San Marzano tomatoes to your home garden, make sure you have a sunny, sheltered location. These plants need to be warm, so many prefer to grow them inside of greenhouses or containers. Expect a harvest from mid-June to early October.

roma tomatoes

2. Roma​

Roma tomatoes are a classic; it’s hard to beat them. This popular tomato is primarily used to create tomato paste and sauce, making a delicious base. Romas have firm, thick flesh and few seeds.

Vining tomatoes like Romas are a bit problematic if you want to use primarily only these to create sauces. Only a few fruits ripen at one time, so unless you have several of the same plants producing simultaneously, you’ll need to freeze the tomatoes and make the sauce later.

One benefit of Romas is that they’re relatively disease resistant. While they grow well in greenhouses and inside containers, they thrive in sunny, outside locations. Ensure strong support for these plants, or the vines might snap before the fruit ripens.

3. Giulietta​

Giulietta is a large, egg-shaped, Italian plum tomato that fruits from July to September. It grows well in greenhouses and cool conditions, as well as sunny outside spots.

One thing to know is that Giulietta tomato plants are large, typically reaching up to six feet tall. They require some staking to avoid falling over on the ground. The plants are indeterminate, producing large yields.

4. Super Italian Paste​

Here is another Italian heirloom tomato that produces reddish-orange fruits with thick, meaty flesh and few seeds. This combination makes it clear as to why it is a favorite for making tomato sauce.

These are vining tomatoes that don’t all ripen at the same time. They grow well in pots, but if you want to use these as a primary base for your tomato sauce, it’s best to grow several of them, starting at different time frames, to spread out your harvest.

Super Italian Paste tomatoes’ major problem is that they are vulnerable to blossom end rot caused by a calcium deficiency in the soil. Be sure not to keep the plants too wet, or late blight will develop.

5. Viva Italia​

Many chefs and gardeners swear by this variety of tomatoes for making a sauce. Viva Italia tomatoes are a great all-around choice because they have an excellent raw flavor, but their flavor increases once cooked.

This cultivar loves hot weather, growing well in warmer climates. Once planted in the spring, expect your first fruits to be ready after 90 days. It’s an easy to grow plant that handles growing in-ground gardens as well as containers. Make sure you provide a stake or support system for optimal growth.

6. Big Mama​

As you might have guessed from the name, Big Mama tomatoes are large and in charge. These plants produce a high yield of tomatoes, with the first fruits developing 90 to 110 days after planting.

Big Mama tomatoes are lemon-shaped with easy-to-peel-skin after boiling. That makes it even easier to use these fruits to make tomato sauce less fussy. Peeling tomato skins is never a fun task.

Chefs like this tomato because it has high flesh density with few seeds. However, it has a higher moisture level, so it needs more time to boil down or should be used for soups.

These aren’t small plants, so make sure you provide adequate support for the plants, or they’ll topple over. Make sure the soil has plenty of drainage, or the plant won’t grow well.

7. Amish Paste​

Amish Paste tomatoes are quite similar to Roma tomatoes in shape and texture. They’re a classic paste tomato with a firm, meaty flesh, and few seeds. The key difference between Roma and Amish Paste tomatoes is that the latter has a sweeter, fresher flavor that some prefer in their sauce.

These tomatoes date back at least 150 years, tracing back to Amish communities in Wisconsin and Pennslyvania. The Amish developed this tomato to be the perfect canning tomato, so you know it’s a great choice if the ultimate self-sufficient community prefers it.

These tomatoes reach up to 12 ounces, which is considered large for a paste tomato. The plants are large and require staking. Expect a harvest within 90 days after transplanting.

8. Costoluto Genovese​

Here is another Italian cultivar that is perfect for tomato sauce. Costoluto Genovese tomatoes are known for having intense flavor, making them ideal for a slicing tomato for sandwiches and a sauce tomato.

Costoluto Genovese also has a high acid content, which makes safely canning easier. The tomatoes reach up to eight ounces with heavy lobes and thick, meaty flesh.

Expect these plants to produce their harvest within 80 days after transplanting. Since this variety is indeterminate, it continues to grow throughout the entire growing season.

9. Opalka​

Opalka is a Polish, heirloom tomato, known for being rich and flavorful, more so than other paste tomatoes. These tomatoes are perfect for making tomato sauce because they have few seeds, thick flesh, and intense flavor.

Opalka tomatoes are great for processing; they stand up to the process well. They have a long, pepper-shape, reaching up to six inches long.

This tomato plant is indeterminate, so the fruit ripens throughout the entire season. It takes around 85 days after transplanting for the fruits to develop on the plant.

10. Jersey Giant​

Here is an heirloom paste tomato that is hard to find, but it’s a fantastic option for gardeners if you can find it. Jersey Giant tomato plants produce heavy yields, and the fruits measure around six inches long.

This New Jersey canning tomato has meaty, rich flesh that is much tastier than modern paste types. The fruits have few seeds, making it even easier to create the desired consistency for tomato sauce.

If you stumble upon these plants or seeds, know that Jersey Giant tomatoes have an indeterminate growth habit and produce fruits 80-90 days after transplanting.

Conclusion​

If you’re growing tomatoes to make homemade sauce, make sure you grow some of the best tomatoes for tomato sauce. These cultivars have meaty, rich flesh with fewer seeds, the perfect combination for making the right sauce consistency. Be sure to give a few of these a try!


just to get the juices flowing
Awesome! Thank you so much
 
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