Fiscal cliff impact on milk prices

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NoDrama

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Fuck 'em, Let milk cost $10 a gallon, maybe people will realize that government interference was the cause.
 
Totoe

Totoe

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I am glad you decided to weigh in ND. Does the expiration of the farm bill impact you as a farmer?
 
DonPepe

DonPepe

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i can see the need for government subsidies but i feel they should be used more to aid in transition rather than support entirely. My family used to raise tobacco, as time past it became inefficient for small farms to produce commercial tobacco and began to cost a lot in government subsidies. It simply became much much more efficent for tobacco to be grown on large scale. I feel that the proper purpose of the subsidies should be to assist the farmers in times of need and during agricultural transitions to more economically reasonable crops. if you are losing money and depending on the full time government support to operate a business i feel you should consider changing businesses, and i don't see a huge problem in the gov assisting during such a transition
 
Totoe

Totoe

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It has the potential to impact a lot of things, that many americans are unaware of, such as the price we pay for food.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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In New England back in the 70's there were many farms - cornfields , dairy , and others . My father used to say the farmers were being starved out . The land became worth so much for development in a lot of areas that it was sold and turned into million dollar home type neighborhoods . Looking at who was buying these homes , young couples in their 30's who make money by moving it around - stockmarket and such . My uncle bought a mountainside for $5000 in the 50's he had an apple orchard and various animals it was recently sold for several million dollars . I always wondered how this happens .
 
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NoDrama

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Government doesn't need to do anything, government cannot fix problems, only cause new ones. The free market is the fairest of them all because it does not discriminate. TBTF? Free market doesn't care, you fail! Someone else who is better at it will come along and pick up the pieces and do it a better way.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
Fuck 'em, Let milk cost $10 a gallon, maybe people will realize that government interference was the cause.
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It is going to be tough untangling the government interference in this matter. First, it was government that convinced us all (with the help of the dairy lobby) that milk was good for us and we should drink lots and lots of it - then we should realize that we want government to help pay for the bodily damage that cow's milk does to us - with individual health insurance subsidies - both in the form of Obama care and in medicare. And then there is the fact that we subsidize dairy farmers, and we subsidize feed producers and then we have the milk turned to cheese which we ship to other countries and use to feed our own poor.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
Government doesn't need to do anything, government cannot fix problems, only cause new ones. The free market is the fairest of them all because it does not discriminate. TBTF? Free market doesn't care, you fail! Someone else who is better at it will come along and pick up the pieces and do it a better way.
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the free market doesn't discriminate? really - so there were neighborhoods that couldn't get business or home loans, there was utter discrimination against hiring women or blacks, hiring managers limited it's hires to the best schools - the ones that poorer folk either couldn't afford or couldn't get into because - they were a minority - but you don't think that the free market discriminates if it is at all able?
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
the free market doesn't discriminate? really - so there were neighborhoods that couldn't get business or home loans, there was utter discrimination against hiring women or blacks, hiring managers limited it's hires to the best schools - the ones that poorer folk either couldn't afford or couldn't get into because - they were a minority - but you don't think that the free market discriminates if it is at all able?
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The Free market cannot be personified, nice try though. Well it really wasn't a nice try, it was actually very intellectually lazy of you.

Didn't you know that the market is a person, his name is Free Market and he is racist, misogynistic and greedy. Oh yeah and he runs the whole world.
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
It is going to be tough untangling the government interference in this matter. First, it was government that convinced us all (with the help of the dairy lobby) that milk was good for us and we should drink lots and lots of it - then we should realize that we want government to help pay for the bodily damage that cow's milk does to us - with individual health insurance subsidies - both in the form of Obama care and in medicare. And then there is the fact that we subsidize dairy farmers, and we subsidize feed producers and then we have the milk turned to cheese which we ship to other countries and use to feed our own poor.
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LOL Educate us on the damage Milk does to people. I suppose if I drink a glass of whole milk I will instantly be consumed by fire? Dropped from a great height? struck down by lightning? Which one of these great calamities will transpire If I drink milk? Perhaps a horde of Locusts?
 
Fungus Gnat

Fungus Gnat

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NoDrama said:
Fuck 'em, Let milk cost $10 a gallon, maybe people will realize that government interference was the cause.
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Government subsidies encourage overproduction and availability. Without that the "free market" gravatates to artificial shortages to increase profitability.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NoDrama said:
THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! I will instantly be consumed by fire? Dropped from a great height? struck down by lightning? Which one of these great calamities won't transpire? Perhaps a horde of Locusts? GOLD! SILVER! RAWN PAWL!!!
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Calm down Mo'Drama.
 
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NoDrama

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Fungus Gnat said:
Government subsidies encourage overproduction and availability. Without that the "free market" gravatates to artificial shortages to increase profitability.
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No it doesn't. I doubt you will put up any proof of this since that would be a mighty feat.
 
Ringsixty

Ringsixty

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Who gives a shit about Milk prices going up. You better be concerned. Because, everything besides Milk is going up.
Got to love that Fiscal Cliff.
Can't wait to ride the New E - ride.
 
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spandy

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Fungus Gnat said:
Government subsidies encourage overproduction and availability. Without that the "free market" gravatates to artificial shortages to increase profitability.
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Government subsidies for grains go mostly to companies like Monsanto and General Mills, not to your average vegetable farmer.

Why do you think junk food is so cheap, and healthy food is so expensive in comparison?
 
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NoDrama

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Fungus Gnat said:
Government subsidies encourage overproduction and availability. Without that the "free market" gravatates to artificial shortages to increase profitability.
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If that were true then the price of corn should be the lowest ever. Oh wait, its the highest ever. Hmm, must mean that your theory is full of holes and cannot hold water.
 
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