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beenthere donethat
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No, it's a mix of man-made and natural ingredients. (trace minerals)
BioBizz is the only GH product that contains products that are certified organic, and even then a few of the bottles do not carry the "OMRI" tag so evidently contain elements that cannot be considered "organic" in the US.
stir that FloraNova WELL. It' seperates badly.....
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BioBizz is the only GH product that contains products that are certified organic, and even then a few of the bottles do not carry the "OMRI" tag so evidently contain elements that cannot be considered "organic" in the US.
stir that FloraNova WELL. It' seperates badly.....
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babygro
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As far as I'm aware, Biobizz is a company in it's own right based on Holland and isn't part of General Hydroponics. (BioBizz) unless GH bought them out fairly recently.
Also as far as I'm aware 'most' Biobizz products are 100% Organic and sourced from 100% organic sources. SKAL and OMRI are EU Organic certification labels.
One of the easiest ways of telling whether a nutrient is Organic based or not is to pay attention to the NPK values. Organic sourced nutrients cannot have a NPK value over 8, if it does, then it's not organic.
Also, 'cannot be considered organic' in the US?
That's a huge can of worms you don't want to open. The definition of organic is having been derived from living cell tissue therefore animal and plant remains are essentially organic.
Peat is also derived from living cellular tissue, most notably Sphagnum moss that lives in many of the peat bogs peat is derived from. How can Peat NOT be considered organic?
There's plenty of people who will try and convince you that Peat isn't Organic because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. You can't just redefine the definition of Organic because on a moral or ethical basis you object to it coming from an unsustainable source.
People of course are fully within their rights to to refuse to buy Peat on the basis that it comes from unsustainable resources - but please don't try and convince me it's not Organic because of someone elses moral or ethical values.
In the UK the Soil Association (the authority for monitoring organic standards) try and do just that. As far as they're concerned Peat isn't organic, because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. The supposed certified 'organic' composts the soil association do approve are basically nothing more than half composted wood chips with some added fertiliser - this is why approved 'Organic' composts are basically rubbish at growing plants.
The definition of 'Organic' is a very straight forward one and isn't reliant on ethical, moral or sustainable resources.
closet.cult
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thanks for the info BG.
AEROPONIC3
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Taipan
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thanks, good advice
beenthere donethat
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As far as I'm aware, Biobizz is a company in it's own right based on Holland and isn't part of General Hydroponics. (BioBizz) unless GH bought them out fairly recently.
***You are correct here. GH does not *own* Biobizz...however...ALL Biobizz products in the US have to be distributed through GH and have carried the "GH/BB" labelling for at least the last 2 years.
<<<Also as far as I'm aware 'most' Biobizz products are 100% Organic and sourced from 100% organic sources. SKAL and OMRI are EU Organic certification labels. >>>>
***OMRI certification for the USA is based in Eugene, Oregon, USA
here's the home page OMRI - Organic Materials Review Institute
**If you look at this page GENERAL HYDROPONICS
for the labelling of the products in the US...you will note that the Bloom formula does not list *OMRI* on the label...it is the only one that does not. FYI...I don't set the standards here in the US for "organics". However, I am certain that if the Bloom formula met all of the organic standards required here you can BET it would say so CLEARLY on the label..it has to...by law.
>>>One of the easiest ways of telling whether a nutrient is Organic based or not is to pay attention to the NPK values. Organic sourced nutrients cannot have a NPK value over 8, if it does, then it's not organic.>>>
***These are only a few of the fertilizers from the US are not OMRI certified but are derived from organic "sources"....and clearly are marketed (legally) here under the term "organic". Unless I'm missing something and these companies are flat out lying about what is in their product, your definition and redirective above may be incorrect.
Metanaturals Organic Nitrogen, 16-0-0
Organic Liquid Fertilizers
FoxFarm Peace-of-Mind Steamed Bone Meal - 720105
Also, 'cannot be considered organic' in the US?
That's a huge can of worms you don't want to open. The definition of organic is having been derived from living cell tissue therefore animal and plant remains are essentially organic.
** see above. I do not set the standards in the US.
Peat is also derived from living cellular tissue, most notably Sphagnum moss that lives in many of the peat bogs peat is derived from. How can Peat NOT be considered organic?
** Where'd I say it wasn't?
There's plenty of people who will try and convince you that Peat isn't Organic because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. You can't just redefine the definition of Organic because on a moral or ethical basis you object to it coming from an unsustainable source.
*** I didn't try to redefine the term...I only stated how it is considered here in the US...which is different than the UK or Europe. We do not recognize EU standards...that is why it took GH more than a year (according to my GH rep) to get the Biobizz line into the US under their umbrella and under OMRI certifcation. (all but the Bloom, which is not currently certified OMRI)
People of course are fully within their rights to to refuse to buy Peat on the basis that it comes from unsustainable resources - but please don't try and convince me it's not Organic because of someone elses moral or ethical values.
**OK..will do. I don't think you can be convinced of much of anything to be honest. I do, however, think you have a tendency to preach...as evidenced above when you accused me of a bunch of things I didn't even bring up in my post.
In the UK the Soil Association (the authority for monitoring organic standards) try and do just that. As far as they're concerned Peat isn't organic, because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. The supposed certified 'organic' composts the soil association do approve are basically nothing more than half composted wood chips with some added fertiliser - this is why approved 'Organic' composts are basically rubbish at growing plants.
The definition of 'Organic' is a very straight forward one and isn't reliant on ethical, moral or sustainable resources.
*** "In the UK" *** being the key phrase.
***You are correct here. GH does not *own* Biobizz...however...ALL Biobizz products in the US have to be distributed through GH and have carried the "GH/BB" labelling for at least the last 2 years.
<<<Also as far as I'm aware 'most' Biobizz products are 100% Organic and sourced from 100% organic sources. SKAL and OMRI are EU Organic certification labels. >>>>
***OMRI certification for the USA is based in Eugene, Oregon, USA
here's the home page OMRI - Organic Materials Review Institute
**If you look at this page GENERAL HYDROPONICS
for the labelling of the products in the US...you will note that the Bloom formula does not list *OMRI* on the label...it is the only one that does not. FYI...I don't set the standards here in the US for "organics". However, I am certain that if the Bloom formula met all of the organic standards required here you can BET it would say so CLEARLY on the label..it has to...by law.
>>>One of the easiest ways of telling whether a nutrient is Organic based or not is to pay attention to the NPK values. Organic sourced nutrients cannot have a NPK value over 8, if it does, then it's not organic.>>>
***These are only a few of the fertilizers from the US are not OMRI certified but are derived from organic "sources"....and clearly are marketed (legally) here under the term "organic". Unless I'm missing something and these companies are flat out lying about what is in their product, your definition and redirective above may be incorrect.
Metanaturals Organic Nitrogen, 16-0-0
Organic Liquid Fertilizers
FoxFarm Peace-of-Mind Steamed Bone Meal - 720105
Also, 'cannot be considered organic' in the US?
That's a huge can of worms you don't want to open. The definition of organic is having been derived from living cell tissue therefore animal and plant remains are essentially organic.
** see above. I do not set the standards in the US.
Peat is also derived from living cellular tissue, most notably Sphagnum moss that lives in many of the peat bogs peat is derived from. How can Peat NOT be considered organic?
** Where'd I say it wasn't?
There's plenty of people who will try and convince you that Peat isn't Organic because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. You can't just redefine the definition of Organic because on a moral or ethical basis you object to it coming from an unsustainable source.
*** I didn't try to redefine the term...I only stated how it is considered here in the US...which is different than the UK or Europe. We do not recognize EU standards...that is why it took GH more than a year (according to my GH rep) to get the Biobizz line into the US under their umbrella and under OMRI certifcation. (all but the Bloom, which is not currently certified OMRI)
People of course are fully within their rights to to refuse to buy Peat on the basis that it comes from unsustainable resources - but please don't try and convince me it's not Organic because of someone elses moral or ethical values.
**OK..will do. I don't think you can be convinced of much of anything to be honest. I do, however, think you have a tendency to preach...as evidenced above when you accused me of a bunch of things I didn't even bring up in my post.
In the UK the Soil Association (the authority for monitoring organic standards) try and do just that. As far as they're concerned Peat isn't organic, because it doesn't come from a sustainable source. The supposed certified 'organic' composts the soil association do approve are basically nothing more than half composted wood chips with some added fertiliser - this is why approved 'Organic' composts are basically rubbish at growing plants.
The definition of 'Organic' is a very straight forward one and isn't reliant on ethical, moral or sustainable resources.
*** "In the UK" *** being the key phrase.