Foliar Sprays. Are they worth it?

Archaic37

Archaic37

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I received a jug of foliar spray for both flower and veg. The ratios are

Veg
7-14-7
3.3% ammoniacal nitrogen
3.7% urea nitrogen
14% phosphoric acid
7% soluable potash
.04% boron
.05% copper
.25% maganese
.004% molybdenum
.05% zinc

Flower
5-18-2
.4% magnesium
.1% boron
.05% cobalt
.1% copper
.4% iron
.05% manganese
.05% molybdenum
.8% zinc

I was told to use 1tbsp per 24oz every 2 weeks. So far I am on week 2 of the foliar and have not used any soil fertilizer and the plants are 4 weeks into flowering. The soil is keloggs patio plus.

I am also on week 2 for some clones and they are in promix and have not had any soil nutrients added.

I also have some bacteria to go in the soil which promotes root development, increases available nutrients and increases available water.

Have others done full grows using only foliar and bacteria for the soil to promote root development?
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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ive never grown in a completely inert medium only feeding through the leaves.

but i do foliar through flower. most of the cal mag requirements come from that in my setup. do be careful of mold and obviously make sure they are dry when lights on
 
Archaic37

Archaic37

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The application is only once every 14 days so it doesnt add too much moisture. Plus I using a scrog so I simply spray the underside of the scrog and not the bud or top fan leaves.
 
Jimmy Sparkle

Jimmy Sparkle

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Archaic37 said:
The application is only once every 14 days so it doesnt add too much moisture. Plus I using a scrog so I simply spray the underside of the scrog and not the bud or top fan leaves.[/QUOE] 1 day or 14 days it really doesn't matter. Anytime you spray ANYTHING liquid based on your plants you run the risk of a powdery mildew problem. If your plant is weak , temps not right or anything like that you can have P.M everywhere.All plants transpire moisture under their leaves especially those that are touching. If you separate the leaves in the morning before the lights come on you can sometimes see really wet areas that were covered by other leaves and just that little bit of moisture can explode into a full blown outbreak if the conditions are right.
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qwizoking

qwizoking

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how are you getting away with only giving nutes every 2 weeks?

and why are you wanting root development.
theyre only reason for being is supplying water at this point.

iwould spray tops and bottoms of leaves if you can.. when i foliar i do 1/8 tsp per quart twice a day. that's just cal mag. im trying to wrap my head around how this will work suppling everything and bi-weekly
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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qwizoking said:
how are you getting away with only giving nutes every 2 weeks?

and why are you wanting root development.
theyre only reason for being is supplying water at this point.

iwould spray tops and bottoms of leaves if you can.. when i foliar i do 1/8 tsp per quart twice a day. that's just cal mag. im trying to wrap my head around how this will work suppling everything and bi-weekly
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He has to be getting something from the soil...

I should say so! This is a water only pre mix! Here's the low down -

Kellogg Garden Organics Patio Plus Premium Outdoor Potting Mix is an organic potting soil that is a perfect blend for all of your annuals, perennials, vegetables, herbs, hanging baskets and raised beds. Patio Plus is ready to use with no mixing required. It contains added fertilizers such as bat guano, poultry manure, and kelp meal, providing an excellent soil environment for plants. This great soil environment retains moisture, requiring less watering, as well as added fertilizer to help your plants thrive. Just mix in with your native soil. Kellogg Garden Organics Patio Plus is listed with the Organic Review Materials Institute (OMRI), the leading, independent third party accreditor of the USDA’s National Organic Program (NOP). OMRI verifies the ingredients all the way from the source so you can feel confident Patio Plus is proven organic. Patio Plus has a 100% satisfaction guarantee ensuring your plants will be bigger, brighter, and healthier. Kellogg Garden Products has been a family owned and operated manufacturer of quality organic soils and fertilizers since 1925. We use natural ingredients found locally. And because Patio Plus is proven organic, there are no harmful synthetic chemicals. Enjoy container gardening – organically, with Kellogg Garden Organics Patio Plus.

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Dude, it's your soil feeding the plant! BIG TIME!!!

Hmm. I might have to get some to see how well it does and how long it lasts...

Doc
 
Archaic37

Archaic37

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qwizoking said:
how are you getting away with only giving nutes every 2 weeks?

and why are you wanting root development.
theyre only reason for being is supplying water at this point.

iwould spray tops and bottoms of leaves if you can.. when i foliar i do 1/8 tsp per quart twice a day. that's just cal mag. im trying to wrap my head around how this will work suppling everything and bi-weekly
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Root development will allow the plant to be larger i.e. an iceberg how its majority under water is the same idea for plants. Also a strong root base will allow good water uptake and can allow for a stronger plant.

This foliar spray is meant for commercial agriculture farms. The jugs say use 1 quart per acre so its very concentrated. I dont want to spray the tops in flower since I have noticed it leaves a salt looking residue and would rather not have that on my bud.

The soil could be supplying nutrients but it is only 3g of soil that the plants have been in for 3 months now. It could be residual nutrients from AN sensi grow and bloom but theres no way to really tell.

I have liked the kelloggs soil at $5 a bag and I didnt supplement it, it has been very nice.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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where are you getting your info?

ive pulled a lb out of a gallon of soil, but a couple inches spread out


lower concentrationsi f it doesnt all get taken in, it sjouldnt leave a residue
 
Archaic37

Archaic37

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qwizoking said:
where are you getting your info?

ive pulled a lb out of a gallon of soil, but a couple inches spread out


lower concentrationsi f it doesnt all get taken in, it sjouldnt leave a residue
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A pound? How is that possible? A root bound plant in 1g pot is no where big enough to support a pound.

I am doubting that the kelloggs could supply as much nutrients as my plants are requiring right now (check grow thread). But I do not doubt that other soils could support the nutrient requirements for the same size plants and even support bigger ones so long as they are not root bound.

Also the under side of the leaves is where the stomata openings are so it is more effecient to spray the undersides.
 
vostok

vostok

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I still don't like that (N) in your veg spray not enough(N) ..imo

foilar works but you gotta be careful what you use

best to start wit the right soil thats FFOF with 30% perlite

I prefer to use foilar as a secondary line of defence

a top up, like 2x times per week
 
Archaic37

Archaic37

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vostok said:
I still don't like that (N) in your veg spray not enough(N) ..imo

foilar works but you gotta be careful what you use

best to start wit the right soil thats FFOF with 30% perlite

I prefer to use foilar as a secondary line of defence

a top up, like 2x times per week
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I have done weekly sprays instead of every 2 weeks and havent noticed any negative effects. Ill try and increase it to twice a week and see what happens.

I am using promix with mycorhizae in the next grow and adding a blend of liquid bacteria and hormones to the soil. This stuff is also from an agriculture fertilizer company and apparently works well on commercial farms.
 
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