Fox Farm Soil grow - Need help from FF users

Chicago Gooner

Active Member
Sup guys,

I'm about to start a first grow in the Fox Farm soils, I've always used straight up Scotts soil and wanted to ask for advice so I don't screw anything up.
I have both the Light Warrior and Ocean Forrest.

I always start up my seeds in the solo cups - do I start the seed in the LW only or do I mix the two?
 

Jeffmoney

Member
Start your seeds in LW, much better germination. Feed with the FF feeding schedule. If you won't be feeding with nutes right off, mix LW & OF 50/50. But start in LW and feed with Big Bloom for best results, then transplant into OF.
 

Chicago Gooner

Active Member
I want to get this straight. When I grow in Scott's soil, I usually don't feed for 14 days since the sprout and transplant at the end of week 3 into the final container. Do I do the same with Light Warrior? Will she be self sufficient in terms of food for 14 days in LW?
 

jazlm

Active Member
I do not know about the Light Warrior, but with the FF I cut it down with perlite and vermiculite. I do this to increase drainage, as FF is really dense when wet. Also, FF is low on the ph scale. Make sure you keep an eye on your ph levels. I use it and love the results.
Have fun with it bro.
 

3 Pounds of Weeden

Active Member
I do not know about the Light Warrior, but with the FF I cut it down with perlite and vermiculite. I do this to increase drainage, as FF is really dense when wet. Also, FF is low on the ph scale. Make sure you keep an eye on your ph levels. I use it and love the results.
Have fun with it bro.
Yeah def put some perlite in there for sure. Both are fine, Ocean might burn up the youngins a bit but they'll be fine. Just feed plain PH balanced water and maybe some bacteria or fungi to promote root growth.
 

bamacheese

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I do not know about the Light Warrior, but with the FF I cut it down with perlite and vermiculite. I do this to increase drainage, as FF is really dense when wet. Also, FF is low on the ph scale. Make sure you keep an eye on your ph levels. I use it and love the results.
Have fun with it bro.
Ocean Forest has a pH of 7.1, Happy Frog 6.9. That isn't low on the pH scale, especially in regards to cannabis. Just so you know...
 

TechnoMage

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I've got some seedling in Ocean Forest right now. Seeds were spouted in Rapid Rooters and I moved them into soil 2 days ago. Right now I'm just feeding them plain water. I'm on a private well that has high Iron and a ph of about 7.4. I'll switch to using FF ferts once I have some growth.
 

Mcwhippin420

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I ordered se black gold perlite offline... Don't mAtter I don't think but MG perlite has nutes in it so watch for that just to be safe :)
 

Chicago Gooner

Active Member
What is the mixing ratio for Ocean Forest and perlite? I will be placing the soil into a 5 gallon container. Should I mix a qtr of the 8Qrt bag of perlite, more?
 

Nullis

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What is the mixing ratio for Ocean Forest and perlite? I will be placing the soil into a 5 gallon container. Should I mix a qtr of the 8Qrt bag of perlite, more?

^ Adding more perlite is just a personal preference some people have. There really isn't any need to add anything additional for starting seeds in little cups. If I was going to add anything to Light Warrior or Ocean Forest it wouldn't be perlite. Light Warrior is more conducive to seedlings; it has mycorrhizal fungi in it also which is good for young plants. If I was going to add anything to it in general it would be coco coir (~25%). There are different kinds of coir, I like the kind that is less fibrous and more like soil. Coir has better pH characteristics than sphagnum, and also an excellent air-to-water ratio so it is aerated even while wet. Coir also has what is known as Cation Exchange Capacity (CEC), which means ability to loosely hold onto nutrient ions (mainly cations, the positively charged ions plants take up such as NH4+, K+, Ca++, Mg++, etc). Other materials such as sphagnum, vermiculite, and especially clay\humus (compost, earthworm castings) also have CEC. However, perlite has virtually no CEC, it is totally neutral and inert not supplying nutrients or holding onto them.

Seeds planted in solo cups wont be in there very long and will be transplanted. When going into larger containers more permanently you'll want to worry more about structure and how it may compact over time.

If you do feel you need to add perlite, check the labeling very carefully because as somebody mentioned some like the Miracle Gro kind contain synthetic fertilizer.

If you'd like you could try taking some of the Ocean Forest, perhaps mix in a bit of LW, put down a layer in the bottom half of the cup. Then fill in the rest with just the LW. Plant your seed directly in (within the top half). The roots will be allowed to grow more slowly into the richer Ocean Forest layer.
Try not to obsess over watering or anything. The time to water is when the containers have mostly dried out and become light. You can tell by picking them up. Just try not to wait until they are overly dry- and you'll know it is too dry when the medium has pulled away from the sides of the container and the water pools\beads on the surface, running off and straight down the sides.
 

bamacheese

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Ocean Forest has a pH of 7.1, Happy Frog 6.9. That isn't low on the pH scale, especially in regards to cannabis. Just so you know...
Now the info I've found states that Ocean Forest is pH between 6.3 and 6.8.

Makes it much more suitable than I thought. I've been using it the past 2 months. Been using Happy Frog for years. The OF is a bit hot for seedlings, but for transplants into flower, it is awesome. You really don't even need fertilizer if you use OF for flower....
 

MYOB

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I would recommend adding perlite to OF. It may seem airy when you first pot them but after it settles and goes through a few watering cycles it will compact and retain a lot of water near the bottom. This is from experience.


IME, OF is fine for seedlings. They won't need fertilizer for at least a month.

I just bought a bag of LW to try out for seedlings. I mixed it with OF, 25% LW and 75% OF. I add a couple cups of perlite to the mix as well.
 

Chicago Gooner

Active Member
Ok, so if the FFOF doesn't need nutes for 30 days, how do you resume the feeding when the 30 days pass according to their wall chart?
 

TechnoMage

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Ok, so if the FFOF doesn't need nutes for 30 days, how do you resume the feeding when the 30 days pass according to their wall chart?
It's going to depend on a lot of things including the size of the plant and the size of the pot it's in. That said, I usually start with straight water, then move to a half strength solution and then on to full strength.
 
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