Getting sick of looking at nutrient schedules....
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Yesdog
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I'm still doing secondary research on how to keep those damn things alive (sucks having opted into trying to grow 2 types of things instead of just one...). Apparently they dont live long in water without roots (still trying to find some credible source for that). So im using great white in the tea, but im also doing an extra inoculation directly to the growth media and directly to the rez. Small amounts in all applications. So far I think they lived- the roots definitely look different from last time without a good myc treatment. They look really thick, and more of a matte white than a gloss. The tent holds a nice 'shroomy' smell too. I got REALLY serious about de-chlorinating my water this time (and using distilled water for foliars and inoculants) and i think it paid off. The rez has survived some pretty high tempts too (79) so far, only got foaming once and it died down pretty quick.
I'm flushing the rez right now- I need to get rid of all the fucking phosphate precipitates at the bottom. I just FIM'd them before the rez change (just water and some Si)- they had a realllly hard night after that so im letting them settle and just foliar feeding. Already seeing some new growth points and the leaves perked back up. Can't believe these plants are this short so far- I counted seven nodes on one plant at only about 8" tall.
I ran them for way too long on the seedling diet I think. It's hilarious that I saw almost no signs of deficiency. I was about 30-30-30ppm for 3 weeks. I saw some nitrogen def on the very low set of all the plants- somebody on here said it can happen with rapid root growth. Yep, roots made an 8" mostly open-air stretch on a starving diet. Did the plant regulate itself perfectly well? Absolutely. Besides it sacrificing 10% of one set of lower leaves, it managed to grow on schedule and get from 1-5 nodes in about 2 weeks. It's short as hell, and most of those nodes will go to waste, but it pulled through fine.
EDIT: i did get weird mottled patches that were maybe a micro def at one point. Didn't seem to hurt the plant tho
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Yesdog
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Ok I am all in this shit here good stuff man...
Now this gives me something that I can relate too....thanks.
N-100ppm
P-50ppm
K-200ppm
Mg-50ppm
Ca-100ppm
S-75ppm
Fe-3ppm
Zn-0.4ppm
B-0.3ppm
Mn-1ppm
Cu-0.2ppm
Mo-0.1ppm
2-1-4-2-1-1.5 (N-P-K-Ca-Mg-S)
Alright, I think everything might be starting to come together now....
I'm getting my epsom salts tomorrow, the new 3-1-4 solution goes in then. I'm worried about the high N, especially the ammoniacal stuff, but I'm hoping the humics and live rez will help curb some of that.
EDIT: I also lied about the canna vega- thats boosting my ammoniacal =\ It's supposed to be a cool week though, so I'll just boost the lights.
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rkymtnman
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so you came up with a modified H3AD's formula for coco based on Lucas. 6/9/1g/galEpsom was his for coco.
420producer
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yeas sorry i really did not see the dwc aspect of convo.. so im growing in coco i have a rdwc. as a test but not using lucas for that and only same strain in all 4 buckets good luck .nutes are dutch pro for rdwc project week one of flower will be looking for that def in my grow .
Yesdog
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ahh, yea im really not sure how coco 'buffers' some of these nutrients- i know its got some effect, apparently pretty good at regulating some things too
420producer
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coco is the scared man hydro.... haha unless your using coco loco . that are full of nutes mixed in . then its just ph'd water for the first month. i dont care for it. like to play god from day one.
Yesdog
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Yesdog
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sorta, but I actually ended up with 5ml micro and 7ml grow (no bloom) + epsom salts. The bloom has too much phosphorus, so its just grow + micro for the NPK+Ca, then epson for the S. Still loads of NK tho, so about 3-1-4 (elemental) in the end.
I think coco is supposed to help hold/'buffer' phosphates tho as well, so you may actually want slightly more in that case as well as other positive ions (not sure why it has an affinity for phosphates and positive ions, but it seems to). Looks like h3ads mix is about 2-1-2-2-1. with the additional phosphate control of the coco, that's probably also a 'low phosphate' diet.
EDIT: from what I read in general, its fine to have higher P with mediums that 'hold' nutrients- they basically lock up the P and time release it into the water (controlled 'available' ppms). When it's straight recirculating hydro, there's nothing to hold onto the P and too much of it makes its way into the plant.
420producer
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str8 from a root bound 4 inch cups slight clog issue... ya think... lol but i was gonna do a change out to bloom side of dutch pro keep water in 2 bubbler bucket for a hour and see if ph rises and adjust to. week 2 of bloom see what my ppms readthat's the spirit
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Yesdog
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lol i just noticed that my proposed mix was calculated assuming i was going to use 1ml/gal (24ppm P) phdown in the initial mix... gonna reformulate around that and attempt to just use humic acid (FULMAG) in my initial mix for down, then GH phdown after that for adjustments.
It's insane how much P ph down has... could potentially use it as my sole phosphorus source, but there's no guaranteed analysis so im basing it just off of the msds which doesnt give you exact amount.
new mix: 5ml/gal micro, 6ml/gal grow, 4ml/gal bloom + 0.2g/gal MgSO4
same elemental ratio as before, but this assumes theres NO pH down used in the initial mix.
It's insane how much P ph down has... could potentially use it as my sole phosphorus source, but there's no guaranteed analysis so im basing it just off of the msds which doesnt give you exact amount.
new mix: 5ml/gal micro, 6ml/gal grow, 4ml/gal bloom + 0.2g/gal MgSO4
same elemental ratio as before, but this assumes theres NO pH down used in the initial mix.
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k heres some info relating to ideal ppm in hydro.. and also as promised some pics of my plants grown with maxigro all through flower.. Maxigro as the 1 part nutrient.. and the optional Dutch Master Gold Silica.. not necessary imo.. but i do notice thicker stems when used. and AACT tea instead of running sterile.
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rob333
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Ok I am all in this shit here good stuff man...
Now this gives me something that I can relate too....thanks.
N-100ppm
P-50ppm
K-200ppm
Mg-50ppm
Ca-100ppm
S-75ppm
Fe-3ppm
Zn-0.4ppm
B-0.3ppm
Mn-1ppm
Cu-0.2ppm
Mo-0.1ppm
2-1-4-2-1-1.5 (N-P-K-Ca-Mg-S)
Getting sick of looking at nutrient schedules look at something eles in the grow room
Uberknot
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LOL.....schedules? I am learning to just watch the plants who needs schedules.
Kind of like Guppies really you learn to watch the fish you know what they need.
Yeah it's called winging it as well, but that's the only way to fly in my book.
Yesdog
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At least what I'm starting to see here- when all the nutrients are in the right balance, there is no such thing as a deficiency. If there is a def, its probably something out of balance in the nutrient mix, and simply 'adding' what the plant looks like it needs might be counterproductive as you're just starting a war agains the other ions. Plus, even if a plant shows a deficiency there's a chance that it could have actually been an excess or deficiency of some OTHER nutrient.
So you might be able to 'read' that a plant needs more P, but you fail to notice the precipitate gathering at the bottom of your tank that's composed of all the iron, phosphorus, and calcium you've just been trying to adjust with/against. So then you might manage to fix the P, but start seeing Ca or micro defs.
That's why so many deficiencies start to show together, it's usually some systematic failure breaking the plants ability to regulate itself (OR you locked up your nutes in your solution). With a perfect balanced mixture, the plant should regulate itself 100%.
And besides, I look at my plants all day
(and yes, they look pretty unhappy right now. thanks in part to the phosphate salts that precipitated out in my rez)
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