cool & thanks very much mo, yes finally got some through, really felt like giving up in nov 2015, that root rot had already taken many many valuable beans, but just kept on throwing them into jiffy pellets, sheer numbers won the day eventually, dont know why the thread is soo slow, hope its just a site prob & not a fuzz hacker???...lol...anyways officially its just for my families use and we are gluttons for the stuff, smokin doobs and its easy for an ounce per day to go 'up in smoke'...hope your going ok after this heatwave?, all those sour diesel seedlings i had in those green trays cooked man, only 2 survived, they look so miserable i should put them down really?...cheers mo