Growing Autos outside.
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sonar
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Well first of all, I've heard a lot of negative reports regarding Nirvana's autos that they don't autoflower.
I grow autos outdoors and I start them inside for the first 2-3 weeks then transplant them into their final home. 3 gallon bucket minimum, but I would go with 5. Autos don't yield as much outside as they do indoors, so you want to get them out there for May-June when the days are the longest.
I grow autos outdoors and I start them inside for the first 2-3 weeks then transplant them into their final home. 3 gallon bucket minimum, but I would go with 5. Autos don't yield as much outside as they do indoors, so you want to get them out there for May-June when the days are the longest.
sonar
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I only have experience with a few auto strains. Pandora from Paradise Seeds and Easy Ryder from Joint Doctor were the only 2 that I thought were worth the time and effort.
Nirvana originally released auto versions of Northern Lights, Bubbalicious, Jock Horror, Blue Mystic in 2010 I believe. Within a few months they pulled them off the market for a good year to apparently try to rework them since there we so many issues with this not autoflowering. There were some plants here and there that actually did auto, but for the most part it seems the folks who grew them indoor had to put them on 12/12 anyway. Any respect I had for Nirvana was lost after that whole incident. They either didn't care that most of the plants didn't auto, or they didn't test them well enough, or both. Either way, that isn't the sign of a quality breeder.
About a year ago they started releasing them. I never grew them and can't recall any outdoor grows, but I figured I should fill you in on some of the history if you were unaware before you went and sunk a bunch of time and energy into them.
Here is the post from their website back in late 2010:
"IMPORTANT NOTICE ON OUT OF STOCK STRAINS:
Time to cut the BS and inform you on what's really going on. There's a lot of nonsense doing the rounds about our decision to put four of our auto-flowering strains out of stock, so here's the truth, straight from the source.
Since introducing our four new auto-strains, reactions were mostly positive. We would like to stress that many of our customers have successfully grown these strains to their full satisfaction, as photos on many online cannabis communities will prove. There was one small batch of faulty Blue Mystic autos sent out, but we replaced seeds for the few customers that were involved. Lately, however, we have been receiving more and more complaints about a failure to flower in these four strains. This is why we have decided to temporarily stop selling them. We are currently doing some major quality testing to ascertain which batch or batches caused these issues. Since a lot of people still reported successful grows, and since testing is done regularly, we do know that not all batches were affected.
For all our customers who've ordered auto-flowerers from us, here's what you should do: First, don't panic! Rumour-mongers most likely have never even ordered from us, and are often not properly informed. Your seeds may very well turn out to have nothing wrong with them whatsoever.
Begin by making very sure that any problems you are experiencing with these strains are not due to grower mistakes! Common mistakes include:
- using nutrients intended for use in the vegetative period. If you're using these, the plant will not get the necessary nutrients to start producing flowers. Solution: switch to flowering nutrients immediately.
- using a 24/0 light cycle. The fact that auto-flowerers are not photo period dependent, like regular cannabis plants are, does not mean that being bathed in light 24/7 is right for them. Many growers make the mistake of thinking plants need to be exposed to light as much as possible to grow bigger, when the dark period is actually when plants use that built-up light energy to develop roots and leaves. (obviously, using a dark period also means far lower electricity bills and heat output). Solution: switch to an 18/6 or even 16/8 light cycle.
- using too high temperatures. Tying in with the issue above - if plants get too hot, flowering may be affected. Slightly lowering the temperatures simulates the ending of the growing season, thus stimulating flowering. Solution: carefully lower those temperatures.
The above should fix issues experienced with seeds from all good batches. If you believe you have received a bad batch, and you've tried the above solutions and still have problems, please contact us through the Help Desk and we will sort things out. If, on the other hand, you've been driven to panic over what someone wrote on a forum, we would urge you to verify that your growing conditions are correct with the help of the list above.
In the meantime, as mentioned above, we will focus on batch testing to find out which batches were affected, and on quality control to make sure this doesn't happen again. As a safety measure, all batches of these autoflowering strains will remain set to "out of stock" until we can be sure that the batches we have are flowering properly. Thank you for reading, and our apologies to all customers who were affected."
Nirvana originally released auto versions of Northern Lights, Bubbalicious, Jock Horror, Blue Mystic in 2010 I believe. Within a few months they pulled them off the market for a good year to apparently try to rework them since there we so many issues with this not autoflowering. There were some plants here and there that actually did auto, but for the most part it seems the folks who grew them indoor had to put them on 12/12 anyway. Any respect I had for Nirvana was lost after that whole incident. They either didn't care that most of the plants didn't auto, or they didn't test them well enough, or both. Either way, that isn't the sign of a quality breeder.
About a year ago they started releasing them. I never grew them and can't recall any outdoor grows, but I figured I should fill you in on some of the history if you were unaware before you went and sunk a bunch of time and energy into them.
Here is the post from their website back in late 2010:
"IMPORTANT NOTICE ON OUT OF STOCK STRAINS:
Time to cut the BS and inform you on what's really going on. There's a lot of nonsense doing the rounds about our decision to put four of our auto-flowering strains out of stock, so here's the truth, straight from the source.
Since introducing our four new auto-strains, reactions were mostly positive. We would like to stress that many of our customers have successfully grown these strains to their full satisfaction, as photos on many online cannabis communities will prove. There was one small batch of faulty Blue Mystic autos sent out, but we replaced seeds for the few customers that were involved. Lately, however, we have been receiving more and more complaints about a failure to flower in these four strains. This is why we have decided to temporarily stop selling them. We are currently doing some major quality testing to ascertain which batch or batches caused these issues. Since a lot of people still reported successful grows, and since testing is done regularly, we do know that not all batches were affected.
For all our customers who've ordered auto-flowerers from us, here's what you should do: First, don't panic! Rumour-mongers most likely have never even ordered from us, and are often not properly informed. Your seeds may very well turn out to have nothing wrong with them whatsoever.
Begin by making very sure that any problems you are experiencing with these strains are not due to grower mistakes! Common mistakes include:
- using nutrients intended for use in the vegetative period. If you're using these, the plant will not get the necessary nutrients to start producing flowers. Solution: switch to flowering nutrients immediately.
- using a 24/0 light cycle. The fact that auto-flowerers are not photo period dependent, like regular cannabis plants are, does not mean that being bathed in light 24/7 is right for them. Many growers make the mistake of thinking plants need to be exposed to light as much as possible to grow bigger, when the dark period is actually when plants use that built-up light energy to develop roots and leaves. (obviously, using a dark period also means far lower electricity bills and heat output). Solution: switch to an 18/6 or even 16/8 light cycle.
- using too high temperatures. Tying in with the issue above - if plants get too hot, flowering may be affected. Slightly lowering the temperatures simulates the ending of the growing season, thus stimulating flowering. Solution: carefully lower those temperatures.
The above should fix issues experienced with seeds from all good batches. If you believe you have received a bad batch, and you've tried the above solutions and still have problems, please contact us through the Help Desk and we will sort things out. If, on the other hand, you've been driven to panic over what someone wrote on a forum, we would urge you to verify that your growing conditions are correct with the help of the list above.
In the meantime, as mentioned above, we will focus on batch testing to find out which batches were affected, and on quality control to make sure this doesn't happen again. As a safety measure, all batches of these autoflowering strains will remain set to "out of stock" until we can be sure that the batches we have are flowering properly. Thank you for reading, and our apologies to all customers who were affected."