growing mushrooms....

sdf

sdf

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I dont know anything about growing mushrooms so i was wondering if anyone would like to give me the run down on how to do it and what i would need and what not.
some of the questions that i have on my mind are:
1. what online place is the best to buy spores from (Im in the US)
2. do they need to be under light? And ifso do they need to be indoors or can i have them in my back yard.
3. do they get 'fed' and what not like weed plants.
4. do they put off a smell?
5. what kit should i get to help me get on my feet?
6. how do i tell when they are ready for harvest?
7. how long does it normally take?

any information is appreciated. Thank you
 
Cannabiology

Cannabiology

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For getting spores, I used spores 101 and had absolutely no issues, fast shipping, and all that jazz.
As for the rest, save everyone the time and use google, because there are entire guides that answer your questions thoroughly, and any answer anyone will give you here will be a copy/paste answer from those guides. So do your duty and perform some minimal research before asking uneducated questions.
 
rory420420

rory420420

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Check out choempie and his(ozztek) bulk mono tek on r.I.u...also if you're just starting out look up the p.f. technique..only advice I can give you is be sterily anal about everything,and growing shrooms is like cooking,you can't inprove on the recipie by adding your little tweaks and secret ingredients..you have to FOLLOW THE TECHNIQUE TO THE LETTER!!!...do this and you will be sucessful.
 
sdf

sdf

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@ cannabiology, I was asking on here because for every question there is 40 different answers and methods so i was just trying to cut the BS and get advise on the best methods, but thanks for being a dick head.
 
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zat

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I've grown them once and had 100% success with this set up: http://www.midwestgrowkits.com/grow-kits.html

I purchased my spores through Ralphsters: http://www.ralphstersspores.com/

It's an idiot proof set up and even though you could do it cheaper, I felt it was worth the $ to get something I knew had all the bases covered. Everything comes in the kit (including already sterilized substrate)...all you do is inject the spores and follow their instructions. I've posted their instructions of the entire process below. I have enough shrooms to last me a year now.






These are the instructions sent when you order a grow kit from Midwest Grow Kits. Worked for me the first time w/zero contamination.

Inoculation
Cleanliness Precautions
Inoculating your jars is the main step where contamination is possible, and thus
must be done in as clean of an environment as possible. If the room you’re
working in is clean enough, (most are not) you can get away with inoculating
them in open air. The needle of the syringe, if not absolutely sterile, can carry
bacteria and spores from other molds into your cake, contaminating and ruining
the cake. The open air of your home is filled with millions of microscopic mold
spores and bacteria, so even one of these falling on the needle of your spore
syringe can infect a jar. Wash your hands and face with antibacterial soap. Wear
clean clothes. Anything in the area of the syringe and jars could contaminate your
cakes if it is not clean. There are two methods of injecting your spores that help
eliminate any possible air contaminates. We highly recommend using one of the
two methods listed. 99% of the time people fail is because they “thought” the
space they were using was clean and did not use a sterile spore injection method.

1. Glove Box Method
A good way to accomplish this is to make a "glove box," an enclosed, semi-sealed
box with holes for gloves to go through and a see-through top. A cheap, halfway
decent one can be built for only a couple bucks worth of stuff. All you need is a
large cardboard box, (or plastic container) some tape and saran wrap to go over
the top of the box, and a pair of new, unused dishwashing gloves. Tape saran
wrap over the top and cut two holes big enough for your arms in the sides.
Disinfect the gloves and the inside of the box with Lysol spray disinfectant. A
small gate can be cut into the side of the box for getting the syringe and jars into
the box, or they can be put through one of the arm holes (if you choose not to
attach the gloves to the holes). Once the interior is thoroughly sprayed with Lysol,
let the air settle, stick your hands into the gloves and begin injecting your jars.

2. Oven door method (our preferred method)
The oven door inoculation technique is another way to inject spores into your jars.
This method works on the principle of rising hot air will lift mold and
contaminates away from the jars. First, spray Lysol disinfectant in the oven and
around the work area. Pre-heat the oven to 300 degrees. This will pre-sterilize
your oven first. After oven has pre-heated to 300 degrees for 20 minutes, lower
heat to 250-275
Pull out the lowest rack and place the jars on the rack. Remove the foil from the
jars. Sterilize the syringe with a lighter or alcohol swabs . Inject each jar reaching
into the oven. You will notice the heat rising in your face. Simply remove each jar
from the oven as you go. Make sure you flame the syringe after every few jars,
just for a second or two. Use the alcohol swabs to remove any debris stuck to the
needle. This method works very well in all our testing and is very simple
compared to the glove box method. If you have a friend to help, you can use that
person to hand the jars to after you inject them and re-cover with the foil. Do not
let the jars get very hot sitting in the oven. You are using the hot rising air as your
workspace. This method is tried and tested. We have been using it and
recommending it for years and the success rate is over 99%.

Inoculation: Cleanliness Simplified
Begin carefully inoculating them with the syringe. It's a good idea to have a
lighter handy as well to sterilize the needle as you go. Flame the needle until it
gets very hot, then carefully squirt a little bit of spore solution (if you can spare it)
to cool down the needle before sticking it in the cake. Putting a hot needle into the
cake will get burnt-on rice flour all over the needle. You can also use the alcohol
wipes included on the needle in between jars
Sterilizing the needle with flame

Spore Injection
Once you’re ready to inoculate, shake up the spore syringe to get as many spores
as possible off the sides of the syringe and into the water. Carefully remove the
cap over the syringe needle and slide the needle into one of the holes in the jar lid.
Shove it all the way in, so that the needle goes into the cake itself. Gently squeeze
out about 0.5-1.5 cc of spore solution into each jar, splitting up the amount if you
inject through more than one hole. Some people suggest using an entire cc of
solution per jar, however we have had great success with only .5cc each. Be
careful that nothing but the jar and substrate touch the needle, and re-cap it
immediately after using it to avoid contaminating the needle. Also be careful of
using too much spore solution as using more than you need is simply wasting.
With spore syringes it can be easy to accidentally push the plunger on the syringe
too forcefully and dump out way too much solution. Once each jar is inoculated, it
is ready for incubation. There is no need to put tape over the holes in the lid,
because the dry vermiculite will keep out any contaminants.
Spore Injection Spore Injection Spore Injection

Mycelial (Vegetative) Growth
Incubation
Now the jars are incubated at about 77-85 degrees F for several weeks. If you
have the Ulttimate or Mega Kit, this is a good place to incubate your jars. If not,
you will need to find some other source of heat to keep them in that temperature
range. Be careful not to use any heat source that could cause fires; If they get too
cold, their growth will slow considerably, and if they get too hot, they will lose
water and eventually die. (They will usually die if they ever get above 105
degrees F) Mushrooms will colonize at lower temps but very slowly. Any temps
under 68 degrees will probably not colonize.

Mycelial Growth
The first signs of mycelial growth should appear within 5-8 days. If none appear
within two weeks, something went wrong. (Perhaps the heat killed the spores, or
the spores simply did not make it into the cake.) This type of mushroom
mycelium will always be a brilliant white fuzz, often growing in ropy strands.
This ropy type of growth is called rhizomorphic growth, and is a sign that the
mycelium will probably fruit very well. Any other color of mold, is a sign of
contamination. A contaminated cake will not recover and, except in very rare
instances, will never produce mushrooms.

Fruiting (Producing Mushrooms) and Harvesting
The Fruiting Chamber (Terrarium)
Place cakes into the growing chamber provided. Light must be able to shine into
the terrarium, doesn’t matter what direction it comes from. Using room light is
great, but if you must use the battery grow light, place it anywhere you’d like.
Light simply “triggers” the mushrooms to begin the growing process.
Our Ultimate and Mega kit use a “Forced Air” system which integrates an electric
air pump and filter to provide the cakes the oxygen and gas exchange needed. No
drilling of holes required.
When using the simple grow kit, there is a method called the “shotgun” chamber
where you drill holes about 1” apart around the entire chamber to provide fresh air
to the cakes. This is a good method if you are not going to be around to open up
the lid and fan out the inside to allow fresh air in. (This is not needed on any kit
that includes an air pump)

Birthing the Cakes
Once a cake is completely covered in white mycelium, wait at least 2-3 more days
before taking the cake out of the jar. When you are ready, and in a fairly clean
room, begin transferring the cakes from their jars into their fruiting chamber
(described in the next step). Remove the lid of each jar, and dump out the dry
vermiculite on top. Then, put the lid back over the top of the jar. Slowly turn the
jar upside down, so that the cake is resting on the jar lid. You may need to gently
tap the jar to knock the cake loose. Take the jar off the top of the cake and then
carefully pick up the cake and turn it over, so it is sitting right side up on the lid.
Put them it into the fruiting chamber. Once all the cakes have been transferred,
you’re ready to induce fruiting.

Inducing Fruiting (Producing Mushrooms)
In order to initiate fruiting, three main conditions must be met for the cakes:
First, they need light. Only a dim light is needed. LED lights contain lots of blue
light which work very well. Second, they need a fairly high humidity. 85-95%
humidity is a good range for fruiting.
Line the bottom of the fruiting chamber with damp perlite. A common mistake is
to get the perlite too wet, and end up with a swamp of water and perlite that is
very difficult to clean up, and will drown the cakes. Get enough perlite to make at
least 1-2" (2.5 cm) thick layer on the bottom of the fruiting chamber, and put it
into a colander, strainer, or cloth enclosure that it can’t slip out of. Wet it
thoroughly with normal tap water, and let the water drain out. Then move the
perlite into the fruiting chamber and smooth out the surface. You now have a
layer of damp perlite that the cakes can be set directly on, and which will keep the
humidity in the chamber high enough for the cakes to fruit. By the time your
cakes have stopped producing mushrooms, the perlite might start getting a little
bit skunky smelling. If you want to reuse it, put it in a baking pan and cook it at
350 degrees in your oven until it is dry. Let it cool, and it’s ready to be used
again. You can also add some Hydrogen Peroxide to the wet perlite to help it stay
clean a bit longer. You will need to add water every week to the perlite to keep it
moist. Some people recommend 4” of perlite but we have tested this and 1-2”
works perfectly.
Lastly, it is a good idea to lower the temperature range a bit, to about 75-78
degrees F. Like the light, this signals the cakes to begin fruiting. However, most
strains fruit so easily that lowering the temperature is not absolutely necessary.
This is the time where you can decide to dunk your cakes or go ahead and fruit
the first batch. Dunking will yield more mushrooms for the first flush but will
take them 7-10 days to recover and start pinning. So if time is not a concern we
recommend dunking after birthing. See our section at the end on dunking for
exactly how to do this properly.

Another popular method is after dunking, roll the cake in dry vermiculite and then
mist the cake with clean water providing extra moisture. This is optional and does
require extra vermiculite. This method is called the “dunk and Roll”. We have
not seen much difference between just dunking and actually rolling them in dry
vermiculite, so we leave this up to you to decide.

Pinning, Fruiting, and Harvesting
For the first week or two, the cakes will generally not do anything. Then, very
small bumps, called "pins," "pinheads," or "primordia" will begin to grow out of
the surface of the cake. These are the beginnings of mushrooms. Many will never
grow any larger. However, some will grow until they are full-grown mushrooms.
A mushroom is ready to be picked when the edge of the cap tears away from the
"stem" (the stem of a mushroom is called the stipe). Often, there will be a thin
veil between the cap and stipe. If this is present, you can wait until the veil tears
before picking the mushroom. To pick a mushroom, grasp it near the base where
it is joined to the cake, and gently twist it until it comes off. Immediately begin
the process of preserving it, either by refrigerating it or by drying it, mushrooms
will begin to rot immediately. Each cake will produce about 1-3 waves or
"flushes" of mushrooms, normally with 2-5 days of dormancy between flushes.
After about a month or so of fruiting, most cakes will be spent, and will not
produce any more mushrooms unless rehydrated by dunking underwater for 24
hours.

Aborts
Some of the pinheads will begin to grow, then suddenly stop before they become
full-grown mushrooms. These are known as aborts (aborted mushrooms). Aborts
are just as good for eating as full-grown mushrooms, but they must be picked
before they begin to rot. A mushroom that has mold growing on it or which has
black goo in the center of the stem is rotten and is not safe to eat. It is often
difficult for beginners to identify an aborted mushroom before it begins to
decompose. Early warning signs include a halt in growth of the mushroom, and a
greenish tinge around the dark colored tip of the primordia that will eventually
become the cap of the mushroom. Always completely remove aborts from the
cake, even if they are too rotten to eat, because they can get moldy and cause the
cake to get infected.

Preservation Methods
Refrigeration
If you will be consuming your mushrooms fairly soon after picking them, you can
keep them in your refrigerator, in a paper bag. Don’t use a plastic bag to store
fresh mushrooms, this will cause them to mold. Fresh mushrooms are reportedly
stronger than dried ones, but can be more difficult to dose. Also,. It should also be
noted that some people like the taste, and that the flavor of can vary depending on
which strain was used and under what conditions it was grown.

Drying
The best way to preserve mushrooms is to dry them as soon as possible after
picking. It is very important when drying that the mushrooms never be exposed to
heat, are heat-sensitive chemicals that will break down if exposed to heat. You
can get away with drying them in the sun, but expect some loss in potency.
Another common method of drying is to put the mushrooms in an enclosed
container, like a covered bowl, that also contains some desiccant. We offer a
drying kit that includes the needed materials for this method.

(Free drying method)
Another way to dry mushrooms is with the use of moving air. Simply place them
in front of a fan (not a heater), and the moving air will dry them very quickly. An
even easier way to air-dry mushrooms is with a food dehydrator. If the dehydrator
doesn't have a switch for turning off the heat, you will need to take it apart and
disconnect the heating element, making sure to take any necessary safety
precautions. Air-drying is by far the fastest way to dry mushrooms, but will not
always remove all of the water from the mushrooms. The drying process can be
accelerated substantially by slicing the mushrooms lengthwise into halves or
quarters, thus increasing the surface area of each mushroom.
The best overall method for drying mushrooms is to first dry them using moving
air, then, if necessary, put them into a desiccant chamber to remove the last little
bit of moisture that remains in the mushrooms. You want your mushrooms to be
bone dry and brittle. If they feel flexible, they are probably not totally dry. Store
the dried mushrooms in a sealed container, away from heat and light. You can
make sure that they stay dry by putting some desiccant into the storage container
with them. The little dessicant packets that come in vitamin bottles will work to
some extent. You can also make your own dessicant packets by wrapping up
about a teaspoon of dessicant granules in a paper towel and securing the packet
with rubber bands or tape.
ENJOY!

Tips, Tricks and Hints to get the most out of your Grow!
1. Inoculation: When injecting the Spore solution into the jars,
make sure the area you are working in is as clean as possible.
Spray Lysol Disinfectant Spray all over your area first. Make
sure there is as little air movement as possible. Turn off all fans
and A/C units.
2. Angle the needle toward the glass so you can see the liquid
from the syringe come out, this ensures you got spores in each
hole.
3. Sterilize the Syringe needle with a lighter for a few seconds
before injecting the spores. Do this every few jars. Shake the
spore syringe every few jars to mix up the microscopic spores.
Use the alcohol wipes if you end up with vermiculite on your
needle
4. Incubation period: Make sure the jars are at 77-82 degrees. This
speeds up the Jar growth period. The first signs of growth in the
jar should come at 4-7 days. If you have the simple kit place the
jars in an area where it’s at least 76-78 degrees. Lower temps
are ok too, but it will slow the growth.
5. Daylight or roomlight is best! Indirect light is all that is needed
for mushrooms to grow. Use the lights provided if growing in a
dark closet or an area that will not get room light or daylight.
6. Dunking : After you “birth your cake” after 100%
colonization, you will want to re-hydrate your cake. Place the
cake into a zip lock bag, 1-quart size is ok. Fill the bag with
water (bottled water or filtered water is best) Place the cake in
the bag, seal off any air in the bag and put the bag in the fridge
for 16-20 hours. Do this for each cake in its own bag. This does
2 things: It triggers the cake to start producing mushrooms due
to the cold temp. It re-hydrates the cake to produce many more
mushrooms. Do this after every Flush. Do not exceed 23 hours
in the water. Place back in Fruiting chamber. Within 3-5 days it
will start pinning and producing more mushrooms. Some
people like to dunk right after they birth them, but others like to
wait until after the first flush of mushrooms. This is up to you!
If you want a batch of mushrooms right away dunk after the
first flush, if you can wait, do it after birth.
7. When drying your mushrooms, the easiest way is to just blow a
fan on them. Any fan will work, just cut them down the center
and blow a fan on them for 24 hours, they will dry out quickly
and be ready to store.
8. Save the extra dry vermiculite that comes out of the jars when
you remove them. After placing all your jars in the fruiting
chamber, sprinkle a layer on top of your cake and drip some
water on the vermiculite. The mushroom cake will absorb the
water slowly and help grow larger mushrooms. This is why you
see a lot of pictures with the cakes having a brown top layer
while in the growing chamber. It’s a little added moisture for
the mushrooms to feed off. The cakes do not like getting wet,
they absorb moisture from the air or other substances. So be
careful not to pour too much water on the vermiculite.
 
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dux

dux

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Just out of curiosity,when everything has been done correctly how long does it take from start to harvest/eating?
 
sdf

sdf

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i will probably buy one of those kits. I've never done mushrooms so this would be a cool way to have 'my first'
 
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zat

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dux said:
Just out of curiosity,when everything has been done correctly how long does it take from start to harvest/eating?
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From the day I injected the spores to the day I harvested my first flush, it was 5 weeks. If you eat fresh shrooms, you can eat them immediately after harvesting. If you prefer to eat them dry/dehydrated for long-term preservation and because the icky taste is really not an issue when they're dry (which I recommend as you'll grow more than one person can possibly ingest fresh before they rot), then right after harvest, I cut them in half, place them on a cutting board and blow a fan on them for 1-2 days and they'll be dry but a little bendy (for long term storage you want them crisp like crackers). After the fan, I store them in mason jars w/a homemade dessicant pack to pull the remaining moisture out so that they're crisp like crackers. My understanding is they'll last for years and potency won't be harmed as long as you keep them in a cool place sheltered from direct sunlight.
 
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zat

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sdf said:
i will probably buy one of those kits. I've never done mushrooms so this would be a cool way to have 'my first'
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Well, it's certainly an easy system for newbs like us, and the cool thing is that everything in the kit is reusable (including the vermiculite...you just "cook it" in the oven for several hours to pull the moisture out and you can re-use it). If you buy the kit, and want to use it several times, all you'll need to do is make new substrate (which is cheap) and sterilize the jars, but I liked that everything could be re-used. Considering shrooms go for $20/dry gram in my neck of the woods, I would have had to pay $1650 for the amount I grew my first time and my investment in my growing kit and 2 spore syringes was a mere $160.00. That's just good business. I do know there are ways to increase yield w/other techniques, and I was told my first total amount (weighed wet from 3 flushes was 823 grams) was an "average" yield, I was still happy as I only trip maybe once a month or every other month.

Oh...and DO soak the cakes for 24 hours in ziplocks that are kept in the fridge at the beginning of each fruiting cycle as the yield increases for me (I did one w/out soaking and two flushes with soaking) were unbelievable.
 
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zat

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canndo said:
Don't use PF Tek, look for another one, ANY other one.
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It might helpful to explain why you have this opinion as PF Tek worked perfectly fine for me. Personally I think using an easy method (and I'm sure there are methods that produce much greater yields than PF Tek) is the way to for newbs so they can get the "process" down. But I am curious what methods you suggest as I'm always looking for easier methods too.
 
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sdf said:
I dont know anything about growing mushrooms so i was wondering if anyone would like to give me the run down on how to do it and what i would need and what not.
some of the questions that i have on my mind are:
1. what online place is the best to buy spores from (Im in the US)
sporeworks, thehawkseye, or spores101

2. do they need to be under light? And ifso do they need to be indoors or can i have them in my back yard.
Yes, and no, they do need some light, but a single cfl bulb, or even near a window is good enough. u can even use ropelight.

3. do they get 'fed' and what not like weed plants.
no, they dont get fed. they just use the initial nutrients that are mixed in the "sub strait"

4. do they put off a smell?
very little. you would have to stick your nose in the chamber, or in the jar. and they smell like fresh mushrooms.

5. what kit should i get to help me get on my feet?
try "substrait jar" kit to get you started, or if your really serious about the hobby, get a pressure cooker, and DIY.
if you get a pressure cooker, get the 23-quart one from amazon, should be around $80.
it will save you money in the long run.

6. how do i tell when they are ready for harvest?
the mushrooms have a thin "veil" under the cap. when the veil "pops" your ready.

7. how long does it normally take?
takes about 3-4 weeks for the incubation phase (think veg)
and another 3-4 weeks of fruiting (think flower)
so almost 2 months total.


any information is appreciated. Thank you
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Check out shroomtalk.com the friendliest mushroom website around.
 
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zat said:
It might helpful to explain why you have this opinion as PF Tek worked perfectly fine for me. Personally I think using an easy method (and I'm sure there are methods that produce much greater yields than PF Tek) is the way to for newbs so they can get the "process" down. But I am curious what methods you suggest as I'm always looking for easier methods too.
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this tek does not align itself with the life cycle of the mushroom. If you do any research on this site you will see my continuing discussion of this method. The mushroom grows In Spite of the method not in harmony with it. Yes, it works, if you are lucky you can grow this mushroom on dried dog food in your bathroom and it will work. The origin of the tek has nothing to do with anything but selling syringes - this is NOT bad, the guy was a genius except for his one little mistake that sent him to jail, but he was a business man and not a mycologist. Any straight grain method that involves casing will work a thousand times better.


I have actually seen people amp up their sucess with half pint jars to litteraly hundreds of jars rather than actually work with the mushroom and understand how it grows in the first place.
 
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zat

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canndo said:
this tek does not align itself with the life cycle of the mushroom. If you do any research on this site you will see my continuing discussion of this method. The mushroom grows In Spite of the method not in harmony with it. Yes, it works, if you are lucky you can grow this mushroom on dried dog food in your bathroom and it will work. The origin of the tek has nothing to do with anything but selling syringes - this is NOT bad, the guy was a genius except for his one little mistake that sent him to jail, but he was a business man and not a mycologist. Any straight grain method that involves casing will work a thousand times better


I have actually seen people amp up their sucess with half pint jars to litteraly hundreds of jars rather than actually work with the mushroom and understand how it grows in the first place.
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Thanks for the explanation. I've been interested in learning more about different growing methods (but I have to understand the "why" of it too), so I appreciate your info. And wow...unlike so many posts at RIU, nobody had to be an asshole! :)
 
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GorillaSam

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I will say this FUCK SPORES101
FUCK SPORES101, so many shiitty reviews for em.
Check out shroomery OP but don't expect to be spoon fed
there. For spores use any of their sponsor
 
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nico piff

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If you have some seeds to offer up ill trade u a spore syringe from spore works. I made a thread the other day Asking if anyone wanted to trade but it got deleted. I have a syringe in the box from spore works untouched I just never got into it pm me if you're interested but like I said I'd rather trade then do cash
 
canndo

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nico piff said:
If you have some seeds to offer up ill trade u a spore syringe from spore works. I made a thread the other day Asking if anyone wanted to trade but it got deleted. I have a syringe in the box from spore works untouched I just never got into it pm me if you're interested but like I said I'd rather trade then do cash
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Seems very nice of you but p. Cubensis spores are illegal in several states. I am not a moderator but it might be adviseable to take these sorts of discussions private or better yet, not have them at all?

Just sayin.
 
91GT347

91GT347

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canndo said:
Cubensis spores are illegal in several states.
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Any idea where to find what states those are ? I have searched, but all I can find is about the finished product itself. Its been quite a few years, but it used to be legal to have them as long as they weren't harvested. We grew them at school in Biology. Of course they always got stolen. lol
 
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