half ass grows with high expectations get you no were!

Ok so we all remember back when we were just starting to grow. We were looking for a fairly easy way to grow some plants for little money. I learned very quickly that if you don't invest a little money you aren't going to get anything in return. I have come to find out that there are endless amounts of new growers with this age of medical marijuana.
The things i always hear are, where can i get cheap lights, where can i get cheap soil, how can i do this as cheap as possible. Well the answer is that you need to not half ass everything or you will waste the measly 20 bux you put into you ghetto ass grow. It is important to remember that when it comes to horticulture more $ = better quality.
So as to put an end to this phenomenon i would like you all to save up 500$ before you even attempt to grow a plant. The first thing you will need is some stable genetics. This is easily procured by going to your local club and picking up some clones, they range from 5 dollars or if you go to the wrong place you may end up spending 20 per clone. You also have the option of purchasing some seeds online all though i do not think this is the best option because there is the possibility of customs taking your items ( if you live in the states ), also you never really know with breeders packs if you are getting what you pay for genetics wise. The other issue i have with this is that some of the strains have been stored in a less than optimal environment and half the seeds i have purchased have been unable to germinate due to no fault of my own.
The second thing you need is a space to grow your plant, if you are some 16 year old with the bright idea that you are going to grow a plant in a cardboard box, i have news for you, you are wasting your time. Your growing environment must be clean and have enough room to finnish the flowering process.
Third the thing i see most often is people not wanting to pay big bux for soil. If you are planning on hydro this paragraph isn't for you. If you want to go down to walmart and buy a 3 dollar bag of MG and burn you plants because its 20-25-20 be my guest. You need to buy yourself a quality soil such as fox farm or any other organic 20-10-10 soil like humboldt flower products. There is always the option and it is the best option to mix your own soil but unless you truly know what you are doing i do not think it is the best option for you.
The last subject i would like to touch on is lighting. If you are planning on just growing outdoors this paragraph does not pertain to you. There are so many different options for lighting these days it is often hard to make a solid decision. First i would like to say that cfl's WILL WORK butt it would be my last choice if you are serious about growing, so we aren't even going to discuss cfl's because im not a total looser. HID lighting is your best option you will get high yields with resinous buds. You can buy a post 2000 hps ballast and it will work with MH bulbs as well. If you are looking for a perpetual harvest i would buy one 1000w hps ballast reflector and bulb and use this for your flowering room to start you off. I would than use some t5's for my veg room. Now i would like to take a second to talk about led lighting , ITS CRAP if you want to pay 1000 dollars for a light that is only good for something that won't give you the results of a 250 1000w you can do so but you are an idiot. LED lighting wont be around for more than another 5 years because it is impractical and growers don't mind having to deal with cooling and electric bills because HID is cheap and produces the results we are looking for. LED fuck off and die.
So it has come to the end and i am not going to look back though to look for typos. I hope you enjoyed the read, but most importantly i hope this will put a stop to all the little walmart grows that people keep wasting time on. Have a great today and tomorrow, DNK

You make many good points. One thing I would add is that while $=better results, you have to be careful not to fall for the many snake oil products out there. Good research will save you money in the long run. Also, when doing research or seeking advice, remember not all advice pertains to you chosen growing method. In other words, be very careful taking advice from a soil grower if you are growing hydro, ect.

you have hit the mark exactly i was kind of basing this on all the little kids i see trying to do an indoor soil grow, obviously there are many different ways to grow and different products to use it is the products that make the difference not the method used when growing be that soil or hydro indoor or outdoor. thank you for your input and yes good research is the key to success!

come on you cant say u werent a macgyver when u were 16... and could save 500 to spend on balls out the wall equipment living at home.. i think all kids should grow pot. i built a stealth pc growcase when i was a kid before all of these current ones... the plant died an all, but it was fun, it gave me something to look forward to coming home after school... and when it died, i smoked a blunt and said one day ill grow pot.... check out my grow journal https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358231-1000-watt-nirvana-feminized-blackberry.html

Great advice dnkfrmthasoilz7 . Repped you .

I'm not telling them to NOT grow pot I'm telling them how to do it RIGHT so they can look forward to coming home to a not dead plant and in 12 they can look forward to smoking a blunt that they grew on luch break ahahaha

dnkfrmthasoilz7 said:

LED lighting wont be around for more than another 5 years because it is impractical and growers don't mind having to deal with cooling and electric bills because HID is cheap and produces the results we are looking for. LED fuck off and die.

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LED will begin to replace HPS in 5 years actually.

I dont agree.I use mg soil cheap nutes etc. and still have succesful grows some better than others.So i dont think that this is 100 percent accurate some flaws in your statement.

I grew my first plant for under 150 dollars.Harvested 90 grams(white widow) on 1 plant and Close to 100 (arjans haze#3)on the other now can you tell me i did something wrong.All i used was mg soil schultz plant food a fan and a 400 hps.So please tell me that i did not grow bud right.

Another thing is go look up buds for less..Gets good buds for under 100 dollars so how can you say save 500 and you are growing right if you start lower than that than its half ass and it wont get you nowhere.It got me somewhere quick.Not trying to bash you but you need to know that your statement is not entirely true.

no ones gonna look up buds for less... grow pot within ur budget and have fun and be safe.. but everyone knows, you should always go big or stay home.

My budget is limitless i can spend whatever i want ive been growing for 4 years and the only thing i upgrade was a bigger closet and bulbs.Mg soil works fine for me and im still under 500 getting great results..Ill leave it at that im done.

i'm about to try them LED's on my seedling. using a bell & howell desk lamp right now for it. so u tell me u tell me or i tell u after u told me

I AM NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T GROW WITH MG OR THAT YOU CANT GROW WITH 100 BUX ALL IM SAYING IS THAT YOU NEED TO INVEST IN QUALITY PRODUCTS IF YOU EXPECT CONSISTENT TOP QUALITY PRODUCT. AND AT phyzics i respect you very much as a grower but to say that leds will replace hid in 5 years is simply untrue it would be very possible if the price went down but that also will not happen so everyone get used to hid for a while till sulfur plasmas come into the grow scene, peace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzjwesG5lxY&feature=channel fast forward to about 9:30 and you will be were i want you to be

phyzix said:

LED will begin to replace HPS in 5 years actually.

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PLASMA will replace MH and HPS. LEDs are the Wankel engine of lighting.

Thank you spanish fly +rep for being aware.

i agree with about all of what you originally said...but i wouldnt tell people to go spend $500 on their first grow.its more than just the equipment you use.you can give some people anything and everything to grow and they fuck up their plants.some will have a good grow on their first try..but most dont.i look at craigslist and ebay and i see hundreds of posts of people selling their stuff..they go and spend a gob of money on a huge setup and still their plants die ,get pissed and never do it again...or they are too stupid to understand what growing with 1000 watts is like and get busted via power bill or fly overs.i agree that if you want a successful grow with a high yeild your gonna have to spend high dollar...but i wouldnt start a first grow that way.spend the 50-100 bucks to build a simple system then when you have the basics down..get your high dollar stuff.and for some people its a hobby...its not for selling it...its for personal use..so a huge yield every 2 months isnt needed.it seems like people use grows for more of an ego boost than just the sheer pleasure of smoking something that you grew.if you want to spend $500 on your first grow..more power to ya...but if your on a budget and or cant use a giant system with vents running everywhere..or just for stealth reasons..theres nothing wrong with having a small setup...cause there has been many successful grows done in cardboard boxes..it may not be pretty..but we do this for our own pleasure...not others...and im not at all dissing your info either...all good stuff.

I personally feel that it's better for a newb to go small scale at first, get a few grows under his/her belt, gain some much needed experience, and then move on to the big boys toys....

SLB

Start as you mean to continue

a GOOD small setup could easily cost 500 and if someone gets a legit setup and fucks up and sells their equipment thats their fault its not because i told them to buy 500 dollars worth of shit. It makes my jaw drop when people say you need to know what their doing to grow be it the first time or that last, i guess i thought that it was automatically implied when discussing any grow. Telling people to invest in a shitty setup at first isn't going to help them gain experience if anything it will have the opposite effect. i like your sig btw djruiner but i hate your avatar. peace and of course pot because in time of no peace we still need pot, DANK