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bankcee

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So my first grow was in a super soil mix I found online. very basic recipe. outdoors. anyways from the looks of it I got a couple more weeks. and it doesn't seem to be a good yield at all. I know why though. I started having a heavy N def late in veg I tried fixing it seemed to fix itself. I pulled all the yellowing dying leaves and flipped the switch after I noticed it was yellowing any further. long story short. I ran into it again like my first week into flower. and I tried to hit them with high N teas and high P teas. and nothing seemed to help and I was losing my sun leaves left and right almost at every budget site. so yeah.

I'm gonna try a new grow here in a couple weeks indoors. and non super soil. I wanna try a feeding reg. with AN. but I'm afraid of the doing all the extra shit not involved with super soils. checking ph, salt build ups, lockout, deficiencies, managing temps and humidity.. it just was so easy with water only. and a couple teas.

what is the big difference here? yield? or any of you can yield the same in ss as a bottled nute grower?

what should I do?
 
BakingcoOkiez

BakingcoOkiez

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Before you flip, just flush it real good. Keep it basic. Check ppm and ph and temp and runoff water. And if u really wanna keep it simple, just run a 1 part nutrient line like floranova.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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What kind of lighting do you run? Your yield has more to do with wattage than your mix but a weak mix will leave them starving by mid bloom phase. Giving teas is more like for maintenance & boosting populations of the microlife than feeding your plants in an organic soil. Not to say you couldn't use nutrient teas like fermented plant extracts but an amended mix really should sustain your plant all the way through to harvest time using just plain water.
If using bottled nutes is your plan just use it at low strength every third watering & give straight water in between with cal mag maybe weekly or biweekly.
At first when I started out with Organics my yields were kinda low too until I got my worm bin established & had a supply of fresh castings. Now my yields equal or surpass what I used to produce using FFOF soil and nutes. My best yielding runs were in DWC and aeroponic hydro setups but I also had root rot issues and sometimes the bud had a chemical taste because I didn't know how to flush properly. Even though the yields were a bit better I won't go back to doing hydro except my aerocloner. Once I tasted the results of my first organic grow I was hooked on growing in living soil.
 
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bankcee

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Richard Drysift said:
What kind of lighting do you run? Your yield has more to do with wattage than your mix but a weak mix will leave them starving by mid bloom phase. Giving teas is more like for maintenance & boosting populations of the microlife than feeding your plants in an organic soil. Not to say you couldn't use nutrient teas like fermented plant extracts but an amended mix really should sustain your plant all the way through to harvest time using just plain water.
If using bottled nutes is your plan just use it at low strength every third watering & give straight water in between with cal mag maybe weekly or biweekly.
At first when I started out with Organics my yields were kinda low too until I got my worm bin established & had a supply of fresh castings. Now my yields equal or surpass what I used to produce using FFOF soil and nutes. My best yielding runs were in DWC and aeroponic hydro setups but I also had root rot issues and sometimes the bud had a chemical taste because I didn't know how to flush properly. Even though the yields were a bit better I won't go back to doing hydro except my aerocloner. Once I tasted the results of my first organic grow I was hooked on growing in living soil.
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I have 1 1000 and 2 600s for lighting. getting two tents 5x5s. one veg and one flower. but you could say your yields aren't a huge difference? what's your mix? mine was a 2 month veg and it seemed depleted like as soon as I was coming up on the 2 month mark. and I've been dealing with it since.
 
caveman117

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I prefer pro mix bx. and honestly as long as your consistent with your feeding the harshest learning curve is when to start feeding but after one (two max) starts in it and youll see when you shoyld start fpr your strain.
 
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bankcee

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I'm in between super soil. and bottles nutes. for ease of growing super soil of course. let the soil do it's thing. that's where I'm thinking is it worth a couple more oz using the bottled nutes. or like @Richard Drysift said he's gotten the same yield. why not get the same yield with less work.?
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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bankcee said:
I have 1 1000 and 2 600s for lighting. getting two tents 5x5s. one veg and one flower. but you could say your yields aren't a huge difference? what's your mix? mine was a 2 month veg and it seemed depleted like as soon as I was coming up on the 2 month mark. and I've been dealing with it since.
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I use recycled FFOF & sunshine mix #4...After each harvest I break down the root balls & add fresh EWC plus an assortment of soil amendments & leave it in a bin for 30 days. I start with clones or seedlings in solo cups for a few weeks then go to 3-5 gal pots for maybe 6 weeks or more, then finally they go into 7-10 gal pots for flowering phase. Sounds like you've got decent lighting; what size pots & what kind of mix do you use?
 
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bankcee

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Richard Drysift said:
I use recycled FFOF & sunshine mix #4...After each harvest I break down the root balls & add fresh EWC plus an assortment of soil amendments & leave it in a bin for 30 days. I start with clones or seedlings in solo cups for a few weeks then go to 3-5 gal pots for maybe 6 weeks or more, then finally they go into 7-10 gal pots for flowering phase. Sounds like you've got decent lighting; what size pots & what kind of mix do you use?
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I have a super soil with alfalfa crab neem fish bone meal epsoma plant tone kelp and azomite. but I guess I didn't have enough long term N and P in there to get me through. and they're in 7 gallon pots. I haven't used those lights yet. this last one I'm talking about was outdoor. and I used cfls for a little for supplemental lighting.

I need a good yielding soil. as I'm gonna be having a long veg. I want pounders. lol
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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bankcee said:
I have a super soil with alfalfa crab neem fish bone meal epsoma plant tone kelp and azomite. but I guess I didn't have enough long term N and P in there to get me through. and they're in 7 gallon pots. I haven't used those lights yet. this last one I'm talking about was outdoor. and I used cfls for a little for supplemental lighting.

I need a good yielding soil. as I'm gonna be having a long veg. I want pounders. lol
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Oh yeah I remember them plants you had outside- the sun obviously provides enough energy but maybe you needed larger pots with fresh mix- pretty sure this was suggested at the time, but anyway, If these were as big as I remember your problem could've been just too small pots; especially if you vegged in the same mix/pot without replenishing
 
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bankcee

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yeah hopefully it was just that. but I read that after you flip, roots aren't doing anymore growing. you've already built the foundation during veg. is that true? so why would bigger pots before the flip be necessary? don't they just stretch?
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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The plants grow another 2-3 weeks into flowering but the roots never stop looking for food or water. I've seen outdoor growers go to 30 gal pots. Your plant should never find the edges of the pot. If you vegged and flowered the entire grow in the same 7 gal pots that is the source of your problem; the only other alternative in the same mix all summer is to keep giving heavy teas or even liquid nutrients to keep the soil active. You could use a small pot but then the soil eventually needs to be replenished either with microbial life or bloom nutes.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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If you plan on doing outdoor next season I suggest going with much larger pots and using a good compost in your mix along with a good source of slow release N like manure or guano. The one thing your mix is lacking is humus- you need to add compost to activate the soil to supernatural status. Good compost will help with that.
 
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