Help thread

patrickkawi37

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I'm going to try and make a thread to help out other growers. Anyone that is having trouble with hid lighting; yield , nutrients, room , whatever your question.. I'll do my best to help. Or hopefully I can get some knowledgable people to follow along and answer the things I don't know. People helping people .

Anyone?
 

ODanksta

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I'm going to try and make a thread to help out other growers. Anyone that is having trouble with hid lighting; yield , nutrients, room , whatever your question.. I'll do my best to help. Or hopefully I can get some knowledgable people to follow along and answer the things I don't know. People helping people .

Anyone?
You suck at life, lets not even start on shit ass grows...
 

Milovan

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what do the double ended HPS's do compared to single ended and is the cost comparable
to single ended HPS's?
 

patrickkawi37

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what do the double ended HPS's do compared to single ended and is the cost comparable
to single ended HPS's?
DE Cost is actually comparable If not cheaper that a top of the line single ended setup . I have heard lots of good results but am doing my first run with them now. You can get the nanolux de with ballast bulb and hood for around 400 bucks
 

Milovan

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DE Cost is actually comparable If not cheaper that a top of the line single ended setup . I have heard lots of good results but am doing my first run with them now. You can get the nanolux de with ballast bulb and hood for around 400 bucks
Just found this in the most recent Maximum Yield Indoor Gardening mag.

There was a study published in June 2014 by plant scientists at the University of Utah
entitled "Economic Analysis of greenhouse lighting; Light Emitting Diodes vs. High intensity
Discharge Fixtures" compared the most efficient HPS and conventional LED fixtures head-to-head to determine the lowest cost per-micromole of photo synthetically Active radiation (PAR) photons per year in several different greenhouse applications.
A micromole or pmole is simply a term describing a quantity of photons.

Anyone spending thousands of dollars to equip should check out the Utah study. It found
the best 1000-W, double ended HPS lights and the best conventional LED fixtures available at the time could produce photons in the photosynthetic range with equal electrical efficiency,
producing between 1.66 and 1.7 pmoles of PAR photons per joule.
Both light fixtures far outperformed the mogul based single ended HPS fixtures, which have efficiencies of only 1.2 pmoles per joule.

If electricity was the only consideration for growers, mogul based HPS fixtures could
be replaced with either the best double ended HPS or the best LED fixtures, and you can
call it a day. Either of these replacements would consume half the electricity of older HPS
fixtures, and both are equally effective and would cost far less to own and operate over
a 5 year period. However there are many factors in choosing between HPS or LEDs for supplemental or primary indoor garden lighting, such as bulb replacements, HVAC costs,
spectrum choice and the initial capitol cost.

The Utah study weighed all of these and found
that the only situation in which LED was less costly then the equally efficient double ended
HPS over a 5 year period was when it was used in smaller greenhouses/rooms with wide
isles requiring highly directional light. In all other situations double ended HPS fixtures were more economical because of their lower initial capitol cost. That was then.
Shortly after the Utah study was published, a new LED technology emerged in agricultural
lighting-- the remote phosphor uses high energy LED lights to excite a phosphorescent
coating. The coating then emits light at various color frequencies.
Remote phosphor LED agricultural light promise a higher fixture efficiency of up to
2.4 pmoles per joule.
 
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PSUAGRO.

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Just found this in the most recent Maximum Yield Indoor Gardening mag.

There was a study published in June 2014 by plant scientists at the University of Utah
entitled "Economic Analysis of greenhouse lighting; Light Emitting Diodes vs. High intensity
Discharge Fixtures" compared the most efficient HPS and conventional LED fixtures head-to-head to determine the lowest cost per-micromole of photo synthetically Active radiation (PAR) photons per year in several different greenhouse applications.
A micromole or pmole is simply a term describing a quantity of photons.

Anyone spending thousands of dollars to equip should check out the Utah study. It found
the best 1000-W, double ended HPS lights and the best conventional LED fixtures available at the time could produce photons in the photosynthetic range with equal electrical efficiency,
producing between 1.66 and 1.7 pmoles of PAR photons per joule.
Both light fixtures far outperformed the mogul based single ended HPS fixtures, which have efficiencies of only 1.2 pmoles per joule.

If electricity was the only consideration for growers, mogul based HPS fixtures could
be replaced with either the best double ended HPS or the best LED fixtures, and you can
call it a day. Either of these replacements would consume half the electricity of older HPS
fixtures, and both are equally effective and would cost far less to own and operate over
a 5 year period. However there are many factors in choosing between HPS or LEDs for supplemental or primary indoor garden lighting, such as bulb replacements, HVAC costs,
spectrum choice and the initial capitol cost.

The Utah study weighed all of these and found
that the only situation in which LED was less costly then the equally efficient double ended
HPS over a 5 year period was when it was used in smaller greenhouses/rooms with wide
isles requiring highly directional light. In all other situations double ended HPS fixtures were more economical because of their lower initial capitol cost. That was then.
Shortly after the Utah study was published, a new LED technology emerged in agricultural
lighting-- the remote phosphor uses high energy LED lights to excite a phosphorescent
coating. The coating then emits light at various color frequencies.
Remote phosphor LED agricultural light promise a higher fixture efficiency of up to
2.4 pmoles per joule.
Top bin cobs aren't in that study..... ..game changers for the hort industry IMO.

Add more/better lighting....
 

patrickkawi37

Well-Known Member
Just found this in the most recent Maximum Yield Indoor Gardening mag.

There was a study published in June 2014 by plant scientists at the University of Utah
entitled "Economic Analysis of greenhouse lighting; Light Emitting Diodes vs. High intensity
Discharge Fixtures" compared the most efficient HPS and conventional LED fixtures head-to-head to determine the lowest cost per-micromole of photo synthetically Active radiation (PAR) photons per year in several different greenhouse applications.
A micromole or pmole is simply a term describing a quantity of photons.

Anyone spending thousands of dollars to equip should check out the Utah study. It found
the best 1000-W, double ended HPS lights and the best conventional LED fixtures available at the time could produce photons in the photosynthetic range with equal electrical efficiency,
producing between 1.66 and 1.7 pmoles of PAR photons per joule.
Both light fixtures far outperformed the mogul based single ended HPS fixtures, which have efficiencies of only 1.2 pmoles per joule.

If electricity was the only consideration for growers, mogul based HPS fixtures could
be replaced with either the best double ended HPS or the best LED fixtures, and you can
call it a day. Either of these replacements would consume half the electricity of older HPS
fixtures, and both are equally effective and would cost far less to own and operate over
a 5 year period. However there are many factors in choosing between HPS or LEDs for supplemental or primary indoor garden lighting, such as bulb replacements, HVAC costs,
spectrum choice and the initial capitol cost.

The Utah study weighed all of these and found
that the only situation in which LED was less costly then the equally efficient double ended
HPS over a 5 year period was when it was used in smaller greenhouses/rooms with wide
isles requiring highly directional light. In all other situations double ended HPS fixtures were more economical because of their lower initial capitol cost. That was then.
Shortly after the Utah study was published, a new LED technology emerged in agricultural
lighting-- the remote phosphor uses high energy LED lights to excite a phosphorescent
coating. The coating then emits light at various color frequencies.
Remote phosphor LED agricultural light promise a higher fixture efficiency of up to
2.4 pmoles per joule.
Get outa here with this bullshit. No grower cares about saving money over a 5 year period. Because 90% of growers don't stay put for 5 years at the same spot. Leds are for hobbyists and people who's wives won't let them have air conditioners for there grow rooms.
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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Get outa here with this bullshit. No grower cares about saving money over a 5 year period. Because 90% of growers don't stay put for 5 years at the same spot. Leds are for hobbyists and people who's wives won't let them have air conditioners for there grow rooms.
your so close minded. You shouldn't be offering help to anyone with shitty remarks like that. LED is easier to maintain and work under and will give you more light for your money. I hope no one ever takes you seriously!
 

PSUAGRO.

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Get outa here with this bullshit. No grower cares about saving money over a 5 year period. Because 90% of growers don't stay put for 5 years at the same spot. Leds are for hobbyists and people who's wives won't let them have air conditioners for there grow rooms.
So you hate research? Lol.......growers don't care about ROI or umol/j of their indoor lighting? Probably one of the dumbest things I've read here in awhile, seriously.

Where did you get that 90 percent #?....probably out off your ass.

I hope you aren't selling your grows, don't seem bright enough to follow safe pesticide/fungicide regiments imo.

You suck at life, lets not even start on shit ass grows...
Hum why you still even here, nobody likes you..
This makes sense now...
 
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patrickkawi37

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So you hate research? Lol.......growers don't care about ROI or umol/j of their indoor lighting? Probably one of the dumbest things I've read here in awhile, seriously.

Where did you get that 90 percent #?....probably out off your ass.

I hope you don't sell your grows, don't seem bright enough to follow safe pesticide/fungicide regiments imo.




This makes sense now...
I did pull it out of my Ass . But I am, and know many commercial growers .. And not one of them uses leds. If you were to even bring up LEDS in front of any good grower I know , they would look at you like a kook hobbyist . LEDs might be Awesome for closet growers. But they are an overpriced joke for someone trying to grow commercially . The only advantage to them is that they don't put off As much heat.. Well when your on 3 phase electricity and doing dozens of lamps, you don't give a fuck about heat because of you have air conditioners . It is all about pulling the most amount of weight out of your canopy, with least amount of fixtures and money invested . If you think that LEDs are going to do this for you .. You are mistaken .
 

KarmaPaymentPlan

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I did pull it out of my Ass . But I am, and know many commercial growers .. And not one of them uses leds. If you were to even bring up LEDS in front of any good grower I know , they would look at you like a kook hobbyist . LEDs might be Awesome for closet growers. But they are an overpriced joke for someone trying to grow commercially . The only advantage to them is that they don't put off As much heat.. Well when your on 3 phase electricity and doing dozens of lamps, you don't give a fuck about heat because of you have air conditioners . It is all about pulling the most amount of weight out of your canopy, with least amount of fixtures and money invested . If you think that LEDs are going to do this for you .. You are mistaken .
plenty of big time growers on this site have big areas set up with lights they bought,and i doubt they will be switching back to HID anytime soon lol. You can make all the snide remarks you want the people who use them understand the value in superior lighting. I have strains that I've ran in my vert that i do now and the weight is still there but the smells and flavors are out standing. My ice smells like blue raspberry and I've never smelt bud so sweet! The sad fact is you shouldn't be offering help to anyone, you are uneducated and kind of a prick and based on other responses in this thread nobody takes you seriously


it surprises me guys bring up cost all the time too, on the consumer end of the market LED lights is still way cheaper then buying good herb
 

patrickkawi37

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plenty of big time growers on this site have big areas set up with lights they bought,and i doubt they will be switching back to HID anytime soon lol. You can make all the snide remarks you want the people who use them understand the value in superior lighting. I have strains that I've ran in my vert that i do now and the weight is still there but the smells and flavors are out standing. My ice smells like blue raspberry and I've never smelt bud so sweet! The sad fact is you shouldn't be offering help to anyone, you are uneducated and kind of a prick and based on other responses in this thread nobody takes you seriously
Please direct me to those "big time growers" . I might be a prick but calling me uneducated is your anger speaking. Fact is, I get very high quality nug and knock yields out of the park. You can hate me all you want but I provide useful information to people trying to get to into the gram per watt club. I have never been a hobbyist, I didn't start small... So yes my information might not be useful to closet growing hobbyists. Because I'm not one of them.
 

ODanksta

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Please direct me to those "big time growers" . I might be a prick but calling me uneducated is your anger speaking. Fact is, I get very high quality nug and knock yields out of the park. You can hate me all you want but I provide useful information to people trying to get to into the gram per watt club. I have never been a hobbyist, I didn't start small... So yes my information might not be useful to closet growing hobbyists. Because I'm not one of them.
I got a 7300 watt led grow, but far from commercial
 

a mongo frog

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I still don't even understand what commercial grower means. Wouldn't a one lamp grow that the is bring to commerce be commercial? Im confused...
 

Milovan

Well-Known Member
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You can hate me all you want but I provide useful information to people trying to get to into the gram per watt club.
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Gram per watt doesn't apply to marijuana grows.

.MYTH #1: Comparing grams harvested to watts of light used
is a good indication of an indoor garden's performance.

TRUTH: Just knowing the weight of a harvest and the size of the
lamp used is not enough information to make a useful comparison
and deem how successful a growth cycle was.
All else being equal, a 6 month old plant can generally outperform
a 3 month old plant if all that is compared is the size of the plant
to the size of the lamp, even if the lamp is less efficient once time is
taken into account. A much more useful way to calculate
your success is determining your grams per day. Take the weight
of a harvest and divide it with the number of days grown to find out
how much was produced each day.
Calculating the grams per day for each harvest will allow a
gardener to compare the success of different harvests, even if the
number of days in each cycle is different.
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