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MatanuskaValley

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DIY co2 (Solving the problem of moving my bottles every night.)

I wanted to solve the problem of moving my co2 bottles in and out of my room every night. So this is what I came up with.

I bought an 18 gallon tupperware tote, and cut a 6 inch hole in it. I fit my 6 inch intake hose in to hole i cut in the tote. I cut holes in the tote to allow air intake, and wired a 12 volt 120 CFM fan to my 6" intake hose in my growroom.

I then place my 5 home made co2 bottles in the tote and when the timer goes and the room turns on my intake is coming in from my co2 tote. when the timer goes off the fans stop and the co2 no longer flows in to the grow tent.

I have this intake blowing in to the back corner where my oscilating fan is which disperses the co2 amongst my plants.
 

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Hobbes

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Different time zones Matanuska, takes time but people will come. Are we limited to one? I've got a few that are fun.

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DIY: crock pot Alcohol Reflux: resin Extractor, tincture Refiner, alcohol Distiller




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Crock Pot lid with hanging coffee basket


1 hour of reflux extraction:


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I followed a forum link to the Cold Finger Extractor by Eden (diagram and link below) and three things came to mind very quickly:


  1. The diagram brought up an instant image of the evaporation/rain cycle poster in my grade 4 class 35 years ago;
  2. I figured I could make one in less than an hour from kitchen items;
  3. They were charging $395 for the equivalent of a Pyrex coffee pot, Pyrex cone shaped dish, and a metal coffee basket. About $385.05 more than I paid for a much tougher 16 cup Pyrex measuring cup at Canadian Tire and $389 more than i paid for the crock pot above.



http://www.edenlabs.org/home_light_commercial.html

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A reflux extractor is very simple:


In a closed system the alcohol is heated above it's boiling point (79C) but below water's boiling point (you gotta look that up yourself);


  1. the heated alcohol rises as steam until it hits the ceiling of our reflux system (upside down crock pot lid), the water stays liquid in the heated reservoir below;
  2. we put ice/snow/cold water on the top of the reflux apparatus (crock pot concave lid turned upside down) so when the alcohol steam hits the cold glass/plastic it condenses and gravity pulls the water droplets down the convex upside down crock pot top until;
  3. the alcohol droplets collect at the bottom/center of the upside down cover and drip downward to the metal coffee screen basket hanging from the cover;
  4. The dripping alcohol (still warm), which is a higher percentage than the alcohol in the reservoir (but not 100% alcohol), drips through the marijuana in the coffee basket carrying: dissolved resin, terpins, chlorophyll and some plant matter into the heated reservoir below.
  5. As well, alcohol steam will rise and work through the marijuana in the coffee basket. (the same way water steam in a coffee maker will rise and go through the coffee grinds and drip bitter coffee after a pot is done, so we remove the coffee grinds as soon as the hot water drips through).


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Now we can: refine the alcohol tincture; remove the honey oil for use elsewhere; and/or distil alcohol. This step couldn't be simpler:



  1. Change the coffee filter for a sold metal cup. Done.


The alcohol (and some water) will collect in the cup, most of the water will stay below in the heated reservoir with the resin, water, chlorophyll, terpins and plant mater. If you are refining or extracting honey oil remember to add hot water to the reservoir after the alcohol is extracted to the cup, you want to keep the chlorophyll, terpins and plant matter in solution while letting the non water soluble resin sinks to the bottom. Put things in the fridge until the water is cold before pouring the water out – so all the resin falls out of solution.

The alcohol collected in the cup will be of a higher percentage than what you started with and will be much cleaner than the reservoir but you may want to distill it again, after cleaning out the reservoir, to make it taste better and to raise the percentage of alcohol. After several reflux distillings we can take 40% vodka up to 60% or 70% - a higher percentage will take a more complex reflux device.

I'm going to refine my tincture and do a butane extraction on the remaining grinds in the basket to see how efficient the reflux extraction was. I'll post some results later today. Anyone who gives this a try please post your results, pics and any advice you can give us.

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Items needed: (substitutions can be made, don't go out and buy anything until we go over what you can replace items with – ie crock pot – coffee pot with screw off handle and spout (flat rimed); flat rimmed Pyrex bowl, plate, cooking dish; stove)

- Crock pot
- Coffee basket
- Wire / screws to connect coffee pot to basket
- Floating kitchen thermometer Fill your crock pot with water and check the temperature at the different levels - we need 80C+, the higher we go the quicker the extraction; if we go too high we evaporate more water.
- Ice
- Towel (to remove the melted ice water from the lid, stay low tech)
- I'm adding an I-bolt for a handle for the concave side, the screw has to hang below to hold the basket.
- Rubber washer to ease tension on the glass cover if you reverse the handle. If you have a glass knob handle just make a wire noose to hang the coffee basket.

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Explosion, Fire, Disaster beyond Saving Private Ryan's beach scene warning!

Alcohol is flamable in it's liquid form at 50%, or 100 proof that the press gang isn't watering down the crews rum. It is explosive in it's gaseous form - the alcohol steam we are refluxing. If a flame hit's that gas - or any gas escaping from the extractor - you are going to have an explosion. No smoking, no flames, no other heat sources, no electric sparks, no wearing wool on a dry day.

Don't become a statistic.

This is a relatively safe reflux apparatus because - very little pressure can be built up (the lid will pop up), there is no open flame, there is very little alcohol gas produced in the volume of a small crock pot. BUT operator recklessness will cause a problem.


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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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I did a distillation with the solution in the reservoir and of 250 ml of vodka (100 ml alcohol) I got 50 ml of stinky but clear vodka. I'm going to get a hydrometer tomorrow and test the alcohol percentage. I added more water and am doing another distillation, and I'm doing an extraction of the fan leaves from the same Pandora's Box bud cicles as the sugar leaves for the first extraction.

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French Press Double Boiler Reflux Extractor

I found a plastic funnel and lined it with a tin foil bladder to hold ice. I used a ridget funnel instead of just tin foil so I could suspend the condensation collection jar. If you build a stand from the strainer (below) you can do without the plastic funnel and have a colder condensor of tin foil.




This is the powder left over from the first extraction, I used about 2 tablespoons of fine powder. I did an iso extraction on the leftover powder after it dried, I'll evaporate off the iso tomorrow to see how efficient the first extraction was. The blue bottle cap for size comparison.


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My larger crock pot with a plastic cover, doing another extraction now.




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Here's my latest distiller version, a 1 3/4" pyrex test tube in a french press. A french press makes a great large beaker, tin foil makes a decent seal. In the front left is the clear alcohol distilled from the green swill in the top two pictures. On the right is the french press strainer cut down to fit as a stand for the condensation collector.

French Press Double Boiler Cold Finger Extractor





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100 Proof of Distilation


I took this picture, the flame is from the reflux distilled alcohol from my first run.

I started with 40% (80 proof) vodka and distilled it to remove the alcohol from the swill, before taking the resin out of solution. 1/2 teaspoon burned for a couple of minutes. I'll get a hydrometer and see how the percentage is changing with each distilation.

Here's a drop of clear alcohol dripping from the test tube cold finger in the french press distiller.



And 100 ml of clear alcohol in the colector, which I'm reusing on another extraction, and will continue reusing.



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I'm going to do some research on the best way to get the resin out of solution without taking the water solubles with it. My next addition to the crock pot extractor is going to be a screen over the basket, so the dripping alcohol will spread over the whole basket and not collect in the middle. The steaming alcohol comming from below the basket does a good job of penetrating the bud upwards for resin extraction.

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https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html

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bongsmilie
 

Calijuana

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Dude.. that's brilliant :)


Now i'm inspired to just use DIY co2, but a real setup not just one 2L pop bottle of it haha. :)
 

lostsoul420

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dude what did you put in the bottles to create the CO2. also when your light/fans turn on do you have to take off the ballons off of each bottle everytime? And what did you mean about moving everytime.? :leaf: rep+ i've been looking to make a DIY CO2. thanx brotha
 

MatanuskaValley

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dude what did you put in the bottles to create the CO2. also when your light/fans turn on do you have to take off the ballons off of each bottle everytime? And what did you mean about moving everytime.? :leaf: rep+ i've been looking to make a DIY CO2. thanx brotha
one tbs yeast. one cup sugar
fill bottle 1/3 way full of water 110-130 degrees f.
shake it up.

No the balloons dont serve any purpose beyond letting you know you still have co2 building. I put a tiny hole in the balloons so the co2 still escapes.

You only have to touch this once a week.

I have 5 co2 bottles in my intake resivour
 

MatanuskaValley

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dude what did you put in the bottles to create the CO2. also when your light/fans turn on do you have to take off the ballons off of each bottle everytime? And what did you mean about moving everytime.? :leaf: rep+ i've been looking to make a DIY CO2. thanx brotha
I didn't answer all your questions. You don't want co2 going in your growroom in the dark cycle the plants cannot matabolize it. So a lot of people put these bottles in their rooms to create co2 problem is you have to remove them every night.

with this setup the fans control co2 entering your room and when the timers shut down the room the fans stop pumping the co2 in to the room.
 

lostsoul420

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oh 2 more questions first how long should one of these cocktails last and how do you know how much co2 your getting ppm. wait...does it matter if the plants get an excess of co2 cause i know they eat it up and release oxygen as a waste of that process? thanx again dude
 

MatanuskaValley

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oh 2 more questions first how long should one of these cocktails last and how do you know how much co2 your getting ppm. wait...does it matter if the plants get an excess of co2 cause i know they eat it up and release oxygen as a waste of that process? thanx again dude
these cocktails last about 7 days. They say one bottle can increase your ppm by 300.

You can buy meters to test ppm but they are super expensive.

Air normally has around 300 ppm and plants can handle 1500 ppm.

I use 5 bottles just to make sure I am at or close to max co2 for my 20% yield increase!
 

lostsoul420

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these cocktails last about 7 days. They say one bottle can increase your ppm by 300.

You can buy meters to test ppm but they are super expensive.

Air normally has around 300 ppm and plants can handle 1500 ppm.

I use 5 bottles just to make sure I am at or close to max co2 for my 20% yield increase!
yes thats what im talking about brotha. Now lets say i was to use it in a 4x4 tent with a 400 watter with 10 autos. You think 5 bottles are gonna do the job?
 

mcinnc

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Hey HOBBES
Is this your method of making Green Dragon? my common sense tells me Yes because you used the term "tincture". Annnnnd, i also can't really think of any other canna-tinc that isn't the "Green Dragon". If everything thing ive said thus far is correct, why do you choose this way to do it?.. i'm by no means, scientifically savvy, so i'm going to keep myself and my neighbors in one, un-charred piece, and stick to my 60 day AM/PM shake method, but was still curious as to the pros of using your way.
 

Hobbes

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Mcinnc the Alcohol Reflux Extractor was just an experiment in alcohol distillation and extraction. Really cool and lots of fun but I prefer Butane Honey Oil Extraction and making the tincture from there. Quickest, easiest, best tasting, most potent tincture possible - keep adding honey oil to your medium until no more will be held in solution or will bind with the oil.

I haven't added the method to my tincture thread yet but I will this week, I've been holding off because BHOE is dangerous if the proper procedure isn't followed (blow up your house, flash burn one side of your body). I've thought about not adding it at all but the benefits are too great for people needing tincture for medical reasons. Idiot proof potent tasty quick and easy from trim to tincture in an hour.

I'm going to use the alcohol reflux distiller to make 170 proof Vodka to use in a grape seed oil tincture sub lingual spray. As easy and quick as the honey oil tincture.

Here's a thread where I'm collecting info on tincture making. It says "Alcohol Tincture" but it covers different solvents/mediums, my favorite is vegetable glycerine.

https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/125137-alcohol-tincture.html

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bongsmilie
 

MatanuskaValley

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Mcinnc the Alcohol Reflux Extractor was just an experiment in alcohol distillation and extraction. Really cool and lots of fun but I prefer Butane Honey Oil Extraction and making the tincture from there. Quickest, easiest, best tasting, most potent tincture possible - keep adding honey oil to your medium until no more will be held in solution or will bind with the oil.

I haven't added the method to my tincture thread yet but I will this week, I've been holding off because BHOE is dangerous if the proper procedure isn't followed (blow up your house, flash burn one side of your body). I've thought about not adding it at all but the benefits are too great for people needing tincture for medical reasons. Idiot proof potent tasty quick and easy from trim to tincture in an hour.

I'm going to use the alcohol reflux distiller to make 170 proof Vodka to use in a grape seed oil tincture sub lingual spray. As easy and quick as the honey oil tincture.

Here's a thread where I'm collecting info on tincture making. It says "Alcohol Tincture" but it covers different solvents/mediums, my favorite is vegetable glycerine.

https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/125137-alcohol-tincture.html

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bongsmilie
I will go sub to that!
 

FuZZyBUDz

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NEEDS:

bucket
pump
lines
hydroton
air-stone(s)

i got a 13 dollar ECO-air pump (dual valve, u dont need that BIG tho, the rule of thumb is 1 WATT per gallon.), then 2 4" air-stones fer 2.50 each, the lines to connect them were (5 foot, black) only 2 bucks, the 2.5 gallon bucket was 2 dollars, the net pot (full lid, 6") was 5 bucks, and last but not least the hydroton was 12 bucks.

got it home, drilled two holes in the bucket, a lil water and BAM. hydro.





:leaf:

 

MatanuskaValley

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damn hobbes I checked out your thread and decided to try this recipe out.



1/8 lemon diesel. about .5 grams of premature blue dreamz. 2 oz. flovorganics organic lemon extract.
ground it baked it at 325 for 4 minutes 30 seconds. put it in my weed jar and placed in water bath with lemon extract. 20 minutes at 150 degrees.
almost filled my dropper with sweet lemony wonder.
 
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