Hi all.
Sorry, this is text only, and a lot, so if you don't feel like reading stop now.
What names did you come up with?
In the case of unknown sources (bag seed), if you plan on keeping a mother you need to name it. If you have no idea what it was, you have to go on what you observe.
Also, any suggestions after reading this are welcome.
This is a veg only room. Current environment is a 5 by 8 short sloped ceiling attic corner, with a single 400 WATT CMH bulb in a large enclosed hood, constant exhaust via carbon sock filter. Constant air input from a high velocity wind blower 6 inch tube, from AC area when necessary. I'll do CO2 when it cools down in the winter, not now.
Single short fan on side ceiling sweeps the whole room.
Temps stay 78-80, with clone trays on temp controlled heat mats, at 85 degrees.
Clones need to be put into final grow bags and then transported to the flower room at another location. This allows me to focus on veg and a buddy to deal with flower.
I did not like what I considered waste of space in the flowering room, but I did not want to wait for topping. So I tried to figure out how many plants I could put in a single grow bag without becoming root bound. They flower under 1000 watts HPS on a light mover 2 feet away, with 2 x 400 watt HPS on each side, so I'm NOT worried abount lght penetration.
We ripped the roots out of the various plants (after harvest) to determine how much space we really needed before becoming root bound. We could pack a LOT more in for most of them. 10-20 times as much.
Clone trays are kept slightly to the side of the CMH while rooting, then transplanted into 5 gallon bags. Multiple plants are put into a single bag, up to 8 plants per bag, but usually 4 or 5. 2 bags are placed in a short tub on top of a strong wire mesh to keep them over the floor of the tub for drainage.
The tub is drilled on the bottom and placed in another tub (on raised wire) for drainage.
Since 2 bags are now side by side and they will NOT be moved (I hate moving bags, it fucks with the roots), the plants in them must grow the same. Clones only. I now can move 2 bags with no harm with 8-16 plants by lifting the tub. Tubs weigh about 60 lbs after watering.
I work at home and mist a lot. I will automate that sooner or later.
Assume about 72 seedlings (a tray), maybe out of 10 different source bags, and no isolation. 2 years later, of those 72, we are down to 8 mothers, and still might kill a couple. We killed for many reasons. We had about 30 happy females, but we were brutal, and when done, only kept the "winners".
Winner 1st had to get you high. Not a little, a lot. We had a couple of incredible growers that yielded a "decent" quality high, but not good enough. Some have serious taste, others not so much.
After that, they needed to be clonable, and not an autoflower (we found a few).
I have not worked with these plants until about 2 months ago. The mothers showed up at my door looking for a place to live, how could I say no?
They had been ignored, stressed, and very sad. The buddy was too busy. So I had to fix it. Root bound on the big ones, and fly infested on 2 of them. Work in progress.
And they are called:
Octavious : Sativa. Grows like a weed. Tops really well. The original had 8 large colas. Difficult to clone. 2 of 12 survived last run.
SAS: Smooth Ass Six. We were getting lazy. Was number 6 of the 72, the smoke is so smooth you can barely taste/feel it. Strong sativa. Tops better than Octavious. Give it an extra 3 months in veg, train well, turn arms down (weedy arms can be wrapped around), top well (new colas on the turned arms can branch too) , and a single plant will become a monster. Perfect indoor large grower. Also clones for shit, 3 of 12 survived, but this is not a production plant so I'm ok with just a few of them.
SAS and Octavious can be paired in the dual bags, but no more than 4 per bag, and preferably 2.
Pink Blizzard (PB): Mid-size indica with sativa aspects. Pink glow to the buds, and the trichomes are visible in the distance, so large and many there are. A blizzard of them. Grows very well. Clones incredibly well. 1st to show roots, and they are multiple THICK stabbing motherfuckers. In about 4 days in jiffy plugs dammit. 20 of 24 survived, and the 4 that didn't make it were kind of weak to start off with. Light citrus taste. The high is PURE SEX. Simple as that. Smoke with your significant other and have fun.
Tang : Mid-size indica with strong sativa aspects. Looks kind of like Pink Blizzard. The name is already used, but I didn't know that when I named it. When the 1st buds were crushed in the grinder the wonderful astronaut breakfast drink smell was overpowering, along with the taste. High like PB as well, but not as down. Can be daytime weed, but only for those with tolerance. Clones well but takes 14 days for roots to show. Strong grower, tops ok. Aboout 80% survival rate.
PB and Tang can be paired, max 6 plants per bag.
Orange (pain) Crush (OC): Short indica. Orange taste/smell, not as strong as Tang. Kills pain. Simple as that. Original name was Orange Crush (based on taste and odor), and I added the pain in the middle after realizing how strong it was. Lousy cloner, only a couple survived, but the mother plant was a bit stressed. Recovered after 1st clone cut nicely, and clones from 2nd cut seem to be doing well, but no roots yet, too soon.
Sleepyhead. Short indica. A couple of skinny branches with lots of small rock hard buds. Must be said with a sing-song voice like you are talking to a little kid. My buddy and I called each other after the 1st taste (we each were curing a couple of branches), and said: WOW. Every other bong hit clogs. I have to scrape out the resin from the base of the glass on glass bowl every 2 days. Skunky. Dieselly. Tastes like plastic when you burn it. Needs extra smell filters during harvest. Scissors needs cleaning every few cuts. You get the point. 1 hit will drop most people. Named Sleepyhead for a reason. Clones well (YAY!!), but takes and extra week (about 20 days) to show skinny roots (booo!). Might get a cloner machine for this one alone. Can pack 10 per bag, 20 per tub, and yield about 20-40 oz per tub per run.
OC and Sleepyhead can be paired, OC max 6 plants per bag, Sleepyhead can pack in 10 if starting with smaller plugs.
Charbar. Mid-size light indica. Yields some serious oscars (what a name, "oscar") per plant. Mild taste. Mother plant is under stess (bugs, few leaves, etc), and clones poorly. Still might be killed. Did not name it, no idea what it came from.
Snicklefritz (straight thievery, not my call): Like Charbar, but better yielder, larger oscars, slighly stronger. Mother was too ill/stressed to clone. Probably on it's way out.
Charbar and Snicklefritz can be paired, max 6 plants per bag, assumming they are kept.
Note: This is ALL for personal. Not selling, just not buying either. Really. We've allocated portions of harvest for friends and family, and if they don't pick it up, and we run out of current smoke, we can smoke it. But not sell it. The goal is to come up with enough in 1 year to shut down for 10 years (growing is a resposibility, a big one, so we'd like not to be doing it forever), and we've JUST hit this type of production capability. Until now, it was constant running out until next harvest.
Comments (other than screaming for pics)?
Sorry, this is text only, and a lot, so if you don't feel like reading stop now.
What names did you come up with?
In the case of unknown sources (bag seed), if you plan on keeping a mother you need to name it. If you have no idea what it was, you have to go on what you observe.
Also, any suggestions after reading this are welcome.
This is a veg only room. Current environment is a 5 by 8 short sloped ceiling attic corner, with a single 400 WATT CMH bulb in a large enclosed hood, constant exhaust via carbon sock filter. Constant air input from a high velocity wind blower 6 inch tube, from AC area when necessary. I'll do CO2 when it cools down in the winter, not now.
Single short fan on side ceiling sweeps the whole room.
Temps stay 78-80, with clone trays on temp controlled heat mats, at 85 degrees.
Clones need to be put into final grow bags and then transported to the flower room at another location. This allows me to focus on veg and a buddy to deal with flower.
I did not like what I considered waste of space in the flowering room, but I did not want to wait for topping. So I tried to figure out how many plants I could put in a single grow bag without becoming root bound. They flower under 1000 watts HPS on a light mover 2 feet away, with 2 x 400 watt HPS on each side, so I'm NOT worried abount lght penetration.
We ripped the roots out of the various plants (after harvest) to determine how much space we really needed before becoming root bound. We could pack a LOT more in for most of them. 10-20 times as much.
Clone trays are kept slightly to the side of the CMH while rooting, then transplanted into 5 gallon bags. Multiple plants are put into a single bag, up to 8 plants per bag, but usually 4 or 5. 2 bags are placed in a short tub on top of a strong wire mesh to keep them over the floor of the tub for drainage.
The tub is drilled on the bottom and placed in another tub (on raised wire) for drainage.
Since 2 bags are now side by side and they will NOT be moved (I hate moving bags, it fucks with the roots), the plants in them must grow the same. Clones only. I now can move 2 bags with no harm with 8-16 plants by lifting the tub. Tubs weigh about 60 lbs after watering.
I work at home and mist a lot. I will automate that sooner or later.
Assume about 72 seedlings (a tray), maybe out of 10 different source bags, and no isolation. 2 years later, of those 72, we are down to 8 mothers, and still might kill a couple. We killed for many reasons. We had about 30 happy females, but we were brutal, and when done, only kept the "winners".
Winner 1st had to get you high. Not a little, a lot. We had a couple of incredible growers that yielded a "decent" quality high, but not good enough. Some have serious taste, others not so much.
After that, they needed to be clonable, and not an autoflower (we found a few).
I have not worked with these plants until about 2 months ago. The mothers showed up at my door looking for a place to live, how could I say no?
They had been ignored, stressed, and very sad. The buddy was too busy. So I had to fix it. Root bound on the big ones, and fly infested on 2 of them. Work in progress.
And they are called:
Octavious : Sativa. Grows like a weed. Tops really well. The original had 8 large colas. Difficult to clone. 2 of 12 survived last run.
SAS: Smooth Ass Six. We were getting lazy. Was number 6 of the 72, the smoke is so smooth you can barely taste/feel it. Strong sativa. Tops better than Octavious. Give it an extra 3 months in veg, train well, turn arms down (weedy arms can be wrapped around), top well (new colas on the turned arms can branch too) , and a single plant will become a monster. Perfect indoor large grower. Also clones for shit, 3 of 12 survived, but this is not a production plant so I'm ok with just a few of them.
SAS and Octavious can be paired in the dual bags, but no more than 4 per bag, and preferably 2.
Pink Blizzard (PB): Mid-size indica with sativa aspects. Pink glow to the buds, and the trichomes are visible in the distance, so large and many there are. A blizzard of them. Grows very well. Clones incredibly well. 1st to show roots, and they are multiple THICK stabbing motherfuckers. In about 4 days in jiffy plugs dammit. 20 of 24 survived, and the 4 that didn't make it were kind of weak to start off with. Light citrus taste. The high is PURE SEX. Simple as that. Smoke with your significant other and have fun.
Tang : Mid-size indica with strong sativa aspects. Looks kind of like Pink Blizzard. The name is already used, but I didn't know that when I named it. When the 1st buds were crushed in the grinder the wonderful astronaut breakfast drink smell was overpowering, along with the taste. High like PB as well, but not as down. Can be daytime weed, but only for those with tolerance. Clones well but takes 14 days for roots to show. Strong grower, tops ok. Aboout 80% survival rate.
PB and Tang can be paired, max 6 plants per bag.
Orange (pain) Crush (OC): Short indica. Orange taste/smell, not as strong as Tang. Kills pain. Simple as that. Original name was Orange Crush (based on taste and odor), and I added the pain in the middle after realizing how strong it was. Lousy cloner, only a couple survived, but the mother plant was a bit stressed. Recovered after 1st clone cut nicely, and clones from 2nd cut seem to be doing well, but no roots yet, too soon.
Sleepyhead. Short indica. A couple of skinny branches with lots of small rock hard buds. Must be said with a sing-song voice like you are talking to a little kid. My buddy and I called each other after the 1st taste (we each were curing a couple of branches), and said: WOW. Every other bong hit clogs. I have to scrape out the resin from the base of the glass on glass bowl every 2 days. Skunky. Dieselly. Tastes like plastic when you burn it. Needs extra smell filters during harvest. Scissors needs cleaning every few cuts. You get the point. 1 hit will drop most people. Named Sleepyhead for a reason. Clones well (YAY!!), but takes and extra week (about 20 days) to show skinny roots (booo!). Might get a cloner machine for this one alone. Can pack 10 per bag, 20 per tub, and yield about 20-40 oz per tub per run.
OC and Sleepyhead can be paired, OC max 6 plants per bag, Sleepyhead can pack in 10 if starting with smaller plugs.
Charbar. Mid-size light indica. Yields some serious oscars (what a name, "oscar") per plant. Mild taste. Mother plant is under stess (bugs, few leaves, etc), and clones poorly. Still might be killed. Did not name it, no idea what it came from.
Snicklefritz (straight thievery, not my call): Like Charbar, but better yielder, larger oscars, slighly stronger. Mother was too ill/stressed to clone. Probably on it's way out.
Charbar and Snicklefritz can be paired, max 6 plants per bag, assumming they are kept.
Note: This is ALL for personal. Not selling, just not buying either. Really. We've allocated portions of harvest for friends and family, and if they don't pick it up, and we run out of current smoke, we can smoke it. But not sell it. The goal is to come up with enough in 1 year to shut down for 10 years (growing is a resposibility, a big one, so we'd like not to be doing it forever), and we've JUST hit this type of production capability. Until now, it was constant running out until next harvest.
Comments (other than screaming for pics)?
