How herm is the herm?

AlphaPhase

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2easy said:
i dunno my plants never herm and i am super relaxed with light leaks etc. i dont even zip my tents all the way shut.

i think overfertilising is a major factor. bloom boosters etc stressing plants to flower harder or in some cases forcing them to herm.

i dont use bloom boosters at all and never had a problem
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Same here, agreed
 
AlphaPhase

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Appalachianhills said:
I've only ever seen four plants herm (excluding the random banana from flowery a hybrid like 11 or 12 weeks to see how it smoked). Two of 8 hermed from a timer kicking on randomly in dark cycle, the other 6 in same room were 100% female. The other two were same strain but outdoors so I'm just guessing it was genetics. A better grower may very well be able to grow same strain without problems. So maybe it's a combination of genetics and grower experience? Idk just my personal experience
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I've had bananas, I don't really contribute that to the true hermaphrodite, when I talk about all plants have the genetic in them to self seed, the bananas are what I meant, so your right on the money
 
Kingrow1

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I had herms everywhete before i learnt to grow now lucky if i ever get seed reguardless of strain. This seems to echo the sheer amount of new growers who have problems with them and the more longer term growers who rarely see it, i mean how many pros here are growing seeded bud! Its quite an easy comparison to make if you read the newbie problem forums and then skip to some pro journals here.
 
pookat

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All females of any species has the genetic ability to go hermaphrodite....its a species survival gene, the reintroduction of Older genetic traits from the landraces variable is the way to keep highly desired traits yet allow a wide band tolerance in stressful unnatural growing conditions which would lead to the extinction of the species, may be triggered by neuts, heat, light e.t.c .
Like rm3 pointed out he only seen True Hermie in landrace strains - unnatural grow conditions= the grow room,
Like Kingrow1 said years of breeding has fine tuned the growing conditions aswell resulting in a bottleneck. Back crossing is one way, but fresh blood is a better way.
U.k royal family is a good example of inbreeding....sticky out ears and arse bandits for the males big teeth and noses for the females and a quite a few not sure of.
 
AlphaPhase

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Budley Doright said:
Never seen that before thanks :o.
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No problem. The way to tell if it's a true hermaphrodite (which is rare) is the balls will also be at the top of the plant, every node, balls and pistils mixed, I wanted to let this one go longer to show a better example when it got further into flower but I didn't want to ruin my crop and had no where to put it. Stress herms (the other kind most people talk about) is different. There will be balls here and there, usually at the lower branches, but the flowers grow normal until, the balls and pistils are separate. Oh, and then there's the late flower bananas, that's another stress induced trait that all strains have, the pollin sacks grow out of the buds.

Another way I know all mj strains have the hermaphrodite trait is there would be no way to cause a plant to herm on purpose, using things like colodial silver.
 
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RM3 said:
Yeah was about that, middle of 2nd week
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I noticed the true hermaphrodite gets right to the point much earlier than a stressed herm, I started noticing balls at like day 5, but it was hard to tell so I let it go a bit more, they are wierd as hell because it makes you first think male until the hairs grow out :p
 
Budley Doright

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AlphaPhase said:
No problem. The way to tell if it's a true hermaphrodite (which is rare) is the balls will also be at the top of the plant, every node, balls and pistils mixed, I wanted to let this one go longer to show a better example when it got further into flower but I didn't want to ruin my crop and had no where to put it. Stress herms (the other kind most people talk about) is different. There will be balls here and there, usually at the lower branches, but the flowers grow normal until, the balls and pistils are separate. Oh, and then there's the late flower bananas, that's another stress induced trait that all strains have, the pollin sacks grow out of the buds.

Another way I know all mj strains have the hermaphrodite trait is there would be no way to cause a plant to herm on purpose, using things like colodial silver.
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I thought clone only strains were ones that couldn't be selfed even with the use of chemicals. And that's a pretty cool plant (even though it's not what you wanted I'm sure lol). I have had a couple of late bananas but nothing like yours. I just let one go after harvesting the top 2/3rds and it just kinda went dormant and got real wispy and pale but no nanners :).
 
Kingrow1

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When people start blaming seed banks for unstable genetics its a joke, go do better then ! Thing is you cant and wont or youd be a playboy millionaire. Any seed company that could promise hermie free seed would sell out overnight, you wouldnt be able to grow enough seed to keep all the noobies happy.
 
AlphaPhase

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Kingrow1 said:
When people start blaming seed banks for unstable genetics its a joke, go do better then ! Thing is you cant and wont or youd be a playboy millionaire. Any seed company that could promise hermie free seed would sell out overnight, you wouldnt be able to grow enough seed to keep all the noobies happy.
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Budley Doright said:
I thought clone only strains were ones that couldn't be selfed even with the use of chemicals. And that's a pretty cool plant (even though it's not what you wanted I'm sure lol). I have had a couple of late bananas but nothing like yours. I just let one go after harvesting the top 2/3rds and it just kinda went dormant and got real wispy and pale but no nanners :).
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They can, but 99/100 they don't. Again, anything can herm, but it's how they are grown which makes it happen, not the clone or seed, 99/100 times, unless you get a true hermaphrodite, which is just super rare
 
Stealthstyle

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According to Cervantes there's a big difference between hermies and intersex plants which both look very similar but one will produce female seeds the other hermie seeds.

Stress and environmental factors produce intersex plants i believe.

I could be wrong i read that book a few years ago.
 
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AlphaPhase

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Stealthstyle said:
According to Cervantes there's a big difference between hermies and intersex plants which both look very similar but one will produce female seeds the other hermie seeds.

Stress and environmental factors produce intersex plants i believe.

I could be wrong i read that book a few years ago.
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That would be correct imo, also. If you have a true herm, there is nothing you can do about it. The intersex trait, what most people think is a herm plant, can' be avoided, again imo.
 
Budley Doright

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Do most breeders of female seeds chemically induce their plants, or stress them into self polination? Always wondered and found it hard to pinpoint. I can honestly say I've never had a plant throw early balls except for some DP blueberry grown indoor from seed. Never bought another DP strain until this year, think different, the pheno's are like a box of chocolates:(.
 
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