How to Vent your Grow Area Correctly (all varibles accounted)

justugh

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hello

this is not my work i found this on a page from one of my surfing days..............the info helped me out greatly in setting up my venting ............i do this as a solid (op if u like it make a stickie)

Dan's Method
Calculating By Room Volume

You will find many calculations on the web for sizing a fan for ventilating indoor gardens; however, what many of these calculations fail to take into consideration is the friction loss on carbon filters and increased temperatures from HID lights. So here's my calculation method which you can use as a guide for sizing an exhaust fan for a growing area (keep in mind that this calculation will give you the lowest required CFM (Cubic feet of air per minute) required to ventilate the indoor garden.)

Step 1: Room Volume
First the volume of the room needs to be calculated. To calculate multiply length x width x height of growing area e.g. A room that is 8' x 8' x 8' will have a volume of 512 cubic feet.

Step 2: CFM Required
Your extraction fan should be able to adequately exchange the air in an indoor garden once every three minutes. Therefore, 512 cubic feet / 3 minutes = 171 CFM. This will be the absolute minimum CFM for exchanging the air in an indoor garden.

Step 3: Additional factors
Unfortunately, the minimum CFM needed to ventilate a indoor garden is never quite that simple. Once the grower has calculated the minimum CFM required for their indoor garden the following additional factors need to be considered:

Number of HID lights — add 5% per air cooled light or 10-15% per non-air cooled light.

CO2: add 5% for rooms with CO2 enrichment

Filters: if a carbon filter is to be used with the exhaust system then add 20%

Ambient temperature: for hot climates (such as Southern California) add 25%, for hot and humid climates (such as Florida) add up to 40%.

An Example
In our 8' x 8' room we have 2 x 1000w air cooled lights, and we plan to use a carbon filter. We also plan to use CO2 in this room. The ambient temperature is 90 °F (32°C), however, we will be using air from another room that is air-conditioned. Here's the minimum required CFM to ventilate room:

1) Calculate the CFM required for room (see above.)

2) Add 10% (for 2 air cooled lights.)

3) Add 5% of original CFM calculation (For CO2.)

4) Add 20% of original CFM calculation for Carbon Filter.

5) Air is coming from air-conditioned room so no need to add any other percentages.

6) CFM = (171 CFM) + (171CFM x 10%) + (171 CFM x 5%) + (171CFM x 20%) + ( 0 )= 231 CFM.

This is the absolute minimum CFM required to ventilate your room.

The next step might seem to match the closest fan to this CFM. However, for this example I'd choose a six inch fan with a CFM of around 400 or more, and a 6 inch carbon filter to match. The extra CFMs may seem a bit excessive (calculations on most indoor gardening websites would recommend a 4" fan and a 4" carbon filter) but it's always better to over-spec since we need to compensate for air resistance in ducting too.

Also, as we are using a carbon filter we will need to match the fan with the filter so that the fan that will neatly fit onto the filter.

If all the variables are kept the same and we changed the room size from 8' x 8' to a 12' x 12' then the minimum required CFM would be 519 CFM.

The All-Important Inflow!

An intake port can be anything from a gap under the door to an open window - even a hole in the wall. The best place for an intake port is diagonally opposite from your exhaust fan; that way, air has to pass across the entire room - very efficient. You can put a piece of screen over the opening to keep insects and animals out, a piece of A/C filter to keep dust out, or a louvered shutter or backdraft damper that opens when the fan turns on and closes when it turns off. You can also use a motorized damper. This gets installed in-line with your ducting and is plugged into whatever device controls your exhaust fan. When your fan turns on, it allows air to pass. When your fan shuts off, it seals completely, preventing CO2, air, etc. from passing. You can get creative with these devices and use one fan to control two rooms, etc.

One additional note about intake ports - you will see much better results from your exhaust system if you install a second fan to create an active (as opposed to passive) intake system. Normally, when your exhaust fan sucks air out of your room, air is passively going to get sucked back into the room. By installing a second fan on the intake side, you will reduce the amount of negative pressure created in the indoor garden, thereby cutting down greatly on the amount of work the exhaust fan has to do and allowing much more air to pass through. If you're not sure or you don't want to spend the money, start out with just an exhaust fan. If it's not performing as well as you thought it would, try adding an intake fan - you'll smile when you see the difference!


edit .........i do not know dan to thank him
link is here
http://botanical.com/hydro/air/calculating_fan_requirements.html
 
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Red1966

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who me .........if so thank my parnets southern babist mother navy father

vostok.........he is cool

so unsure who u ment
I meant you. You go to great lengths to help others here. I don't always agree with your advice, but I appreciate that you make the effort.
 

justugh

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I meant you. You go to great lengths to help others here. I don't always agree with your advice, but I appreciate that you make the effort.
oh thanks........this is fun to me plus i learn as i help

and with a southern babist mother i was taught can not have a sweet treat unless u do something nice so it all works out i get a cookie and they get to relax and not worry anymore
 

BustinScales510

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If the air is in the 90s outside, it doesnt matter how many percentages you add to this equation, hot air doesnt cool down hot air, no matter how fast its blowing. Some of this makes sense but some of it doesnt.
 

orion22

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I don't have ac in my apartment and my temps in my grow tent get to be around 80-90 (three computer fans going 2 exhaust 1 intake and a oscolating fan blowing on the plants) has anyone used something like this,
Cooler Master Hyper N520 - CPU Cooler with Copper Base and 5 Heat Pipes (RR-920-N520-GP) http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-N520-RR-920-N520-GP/dp/B001NJ0D0Y/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t. would this help lower the temp? the other option i was considering was making a DIY ac system using coper pipe a water pump and a foam cooler with water and ice in it.
 

AlaskaHashMan

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If the air is in the 90s outside, it doesnt matter how many percentages you add to this equation, hot air doesnt cool down hot air, no matter how fast its blowing. Some of this makes sense but some of it doesnt.
We deal with a similar principal up here where people will assume that the metal pipe outside will get down to -30 just like the windchill. That's not how it works...
 

AlaskaHashMan

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I'm dealing with my own heat issues. However I think just getting my system exhaust out of my room to the outside would do it.
 

Red1966

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I don't have ac in my apartment and my temps in my grow tent get to be around 80-90 (three computer fans going 2 exhaust 1 intake and a oscolating fan blowing on the plants) has anyone used something like this,
Cooler Master Hyper N520 - CPU Cooler with Copper Base and 5 Heat Pipes (RR-920-N520-GP) http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-N520-RR-920-N520-GP/dp/B001NJ0D0Y/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t. would this help lower the temp? the other option i was considering was making a DIY ac system using coper pipe a water pump and a foam cooler with water and ice in it.
Just buy a gawd-damn air conditioner
 

justugh

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I'm dealing with my own heat issues. However I think just getting my system exhaust out of my room to the outside would do it.
the answer is simple
1 dump the exhust outside your area somewhere (this will keep intake temps low)
2 increase the power of the exhust
3 add a powered intake

and if those fail AC the room .............and if still having trouble u need to look at your system and maybe move to something else after all that if still got issuses then the design is messed up someplace
 

bravedave

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Recently read about Justughs intake filter box a week or so ago. Anyone build something similar where the box is an ice chest/cooler of some type? I picture 6" PVC caulked into one end, 4-5 inches of ice (or blocks on bottom), cut-out for filter on opposite end.
 

AlaskaHashMan

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How do the properties of air flow work? I'm curious whether at 90 degree angle will lower your final cfm output more or less than a gradual run to make the angle.

My temps are down four degree's just by pulling fresh outside air into my room(not my tent)

I have a four inch inline directly attached to my hood for outtake via 6"to 4" flange. With a 10" inline fan in the bottom corner for intake.
Soon I'll have to hook my 4x8 phresh filter up again so that will have to be planned in. Last time I used it as a scrubber just attached to the 4" fan. But now my girls are going to be way to big to run that little filter as a scrubber. going to have to put it on the out going air.
 

Red1966

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Recently read about Justughs intake filter box a week or so ago. Anyone build something similar where the box is an ice chest/cooler of some type? I picture 6" PVC caulked into one end, 4-5 inches of ice (or blocks on bottom), cut-out for filter on opposite end.
I think getting enough ice would be a problem.
 
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