i got a flowering question

growking420

growking420

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hi all and future thanks to all that can help.I have 3 plants 6wks into flowering
1. pot of gold 2. bubblelicious 3.bagseed
all grown indoors in 600w hps growtent in ffof soil mixed with 1/3 perlite, bat guano,gardenlime feeding fox farms nutes and koolbloom , molasses, sweet, cal mag
feed mondays only and water plain in between if needed. ok so the leaves seem to be dying
but i thought when they drop leaves in flowering they will yellow and fall off but these look brown crispy and curly is this normal.
pot of gold did this as earlier as 2wks in it had brown spots on old then young leaves even bud leaf i thought it was a cal mag def so added some with waterings but looks like it didnt help it actual got worse and lost alot of leaf now the bubb and bagseed seems to be doin the same thing i dont use an ozone gen. or co2 can anyone tell me wasup thanks
 

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...the FFOF is pretty rich soil, and contains enough fertilizer for about a month. You say you first noticed brown spots on your leaves, and you tried to fix things with the cal./mag., then things got worse. My hunch is, your overfertilizing. The spots we're probably pH related early on. Have you started your flush/leaching ? Your pretty late in bloom, I'd suggest just giving pH balanced pure water at this point. Next crop, you'll aways be better off underdoin it. Use your guanos in a tea. View my Journal, I use FFOF w/ organic teas.
 
Sorry, bro -- massively over-nuted plants; too much Phos, too much stuff. What's happening is that your soil is so full of additives that the water in the leaves is literally being ripped from the cells to balance the water / nute concentration equation. The ripping at the cellular level is what creates the spots and the leaf death. Plasmolosis, in a word.

Like trichlone said, error on the side of underdoing. The ones in the background in pic 3 look like they still have some hopes. Bench the high P foods, molasses, and cal-mag (FFOF has dolomite already in it, supplying both). Go to something on the order of a straight 7-7-7; you have to keep enough N in the system to support the leaves.

The ones that are fried may still ride it out to finish budding, but they'll never look any better leaf-wise than they do now. Just hang with them.
 
from what I see in your pic's they look good. I don't see any nute burn. At 6 weeks into flower you start loosing fans.
 
Some strains do seem to de-fan themselves earlier than others, but it's an even yellowing that gradually consumes the whole leaf until it's yellow like a hickory leaf in the fall. These leaves here are cooked.

Here's my bubblelicious at 7 weeks flowering. She's gradually de-fanned herself down low, but still has a lot of healthy leaf. Notice how what is left is very straight; no fried edges. The yellowed fan leaf in the lower left of the pic is the kind of natural yellowing I'm trying to describe.
 
Your over nuting her if you just added the soil new if its the same since seedling thats not your problem. it really isnt smart to just add nutes and things cause it looks like it needs it. If your adding extra guano the fox farm line has everything in it read the bottles first. I use fox farm and the only thing i add other then that is karma and mollasses. Fox farm has it ALL in the mixture of bottles you have.
 
could someone say why they think this is nute burn? look at the leaf tips. I'm kinda blind but see no burnt tips. just a few bad leafs.
 
stumps said:
could someone say why they think this is nute burn? look at the leaf tips. I'm kinda blind but see no burnt tips. just a few bad leafs.
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IMO, have a gander at the pics attached.

(Pic #1) ...a common looking plant at the final stages of flower being deprived of N.

(Pic #2)...overfertilized
(Pic #3)...overfertilized
(Pic #4)...overfertilized

...not to mention the fact, overfertilizing causes salt to build up...the salts coat the roots,which in turn lock the roots, which in turn causes deficiencies. So...burnt tips isn't the ONLY sign of overfertilizing. Toxifying soil will cause deficiencies.

...I do believe he is going to get a good crop, don't get me wrong. He just over did it a little. They'll live, he'll be smoking....but, things could've been better. The yield will be effected = IMO.
 

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Your right not the only sign. But it's one that shows evey time. I might back off on nutes. but they look good to me.
 
stumps said:
Your right not the only sign. But it's one that shows evey time. I might back off on nutes. but they look good to me.
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...here's another attached photo, something similar to one of his pics he posted.
...It was hard for me to understand that plants can't be force fed, myself, I've tried time after time to up the intake of fertilizers my plants eat...it's impossible. Most valuable to plants are light/h2o & co2. The fertilizers are important! But....light/h20 & co2 are the fundamentals...watch the overfertilizering, the plant will tell you if it needs something. Happy crops to everyone, I'm not dogging nuke'n your plants...but, experiment some....underfertilize your plants, you might be suprised how less of fertilizing it really needs....anywho, Good luck.
 

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stumps said:
Your right not the only sign. But it's one that shows evey time. I might back off on nutes. but they look good to me.
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You are yanking our chain, right..:-P Those leaves are TOASTED, dude. There's no way they naturally look like that at any point in flowering.

trichlone had it sketched out perfectly a couple posts ago.
 
Just flush till harvest like stated above. It looks like Phos lock out to me honestly. Which could be caused by another nutrient being to concentrated in the medium. He is in soil, so I doubt it's pH related.

Back the nutes down a bit next time.
 
I didn't say he had no problem. Just don't look like a nute burn to me. A good flush might not hurt followed by a low dose of nutes and a high dose of mollases. the plant will finish in the next what 3-5 weeks. so he's 1-2 weeks away from a flush anyway. Anything done at this point won't change much before it's done.
 
stumps said:
I didn't say he had no problem. Just don't look like a nute burn to me. A good flush might not hurt followed by a low dose of nutes and a high dose of mollases. the plant will finish in the next what 3-5 weeks. so he's 1-2 weeks away from a flush anyway. Anything done at this point won't change much before it's done.
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Totally agree.

I dont think it is "nute burn." Just build up of one nute that is locking out the others (mainly phos and mag from what i can see). :joint:
 
trichlone fiend said:
...here's another attached photo, something similar to one of his pics he posted.
...It was hard for me to understand that plants can't be force fed, myself, I've tried time after time to up the intake of fertilizers my plants eat...it's impossible. Most valuable to plants are light/h2o & co2. The fertilizers are important! But....light/h20 & co2 are the fundamentals...watch the overfertilizering, the plant will tell you if it needs something. Happy crops to everyone, I'm not dogging nuke'n your plants...but, experiment some....underfertilize your plants, you might be suprised how less of fertilizing it really needs....anywho, Good luck.
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To me it looks like you have a little nute burn along with a calcium deficincy and possibly a little potassium and phohprous deficincy. Or another way to say it had a burn then a nute lock out. just a guess.
 
stumps said:
To me it looks like you have a little nute burn along with a calcium deficincy and possibly a little potassium and phohprous deficincy. Or another way to say it had a burn then a nute lock out. just a guess.
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Nah, thats pretty much my guess as well. I learned a lot my last grow when it comes to the difference of actual nute burn, and lock out. This looks like lockout to me. Burn there would be more necrotic spots towards the tips like you mentioned earlier on.

I see def's, mainly Phos (and your right..Potash, not mag..my bad). Both def's kind of look like nute burn.
 
...overall gk420, your answer is going to be inconclusive if your looking for an "exact-pin point" answer. Toxicities and deficiencies usually work hand in hand. Too much of one, and you'll get lock outs of others, not to mention ph issues...I've even seen plants with drintched soil die of dehydration, because the roots were coated with salts from overfertilizing. To prevent future problems, get on line here, ask questions before you add too much, or too less for that matter. Trial and error brotha'. You'll get it, your 3rd pic looks great, btw. Keep us informed if you would.
 
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