I wanna switch to 1 part grow nutrient.

Being that I use so little of grow im wondering what nutrients you guys have tried that are 1 part for vegetive state only. I've tried using the 3 part gh, and the 2 part sv a&b, and vermi-T but im wondering if it would be cheaper and easier to go with a 1 part like foxfarm, bc, vita grow or botanicare. Also what your experiences with it have been as in, did you need to add cal/mag or any other elements? I will not use flora nova.

hey mate, ive used flairform green dream and had a good run with it. i have not used any extra additives. however next grow im going to play around with silica

I use GH maxi grow for just those reasons, it's cheap and simple and I'm well...cheap and simple. I have never had a problem and it's pretty forgiving. Just one mans opinion, good luck!

ow.douglas said:

I use GH maxi grow for just those reasons, it's cheap and simple and I'm well...cheap and simple. I have never had a problem and it's pretty forgiving. Just one mans opinion, good luck!

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i forgot to mention im doing hydro, tray n res. hows that maxi in hydro? isnt it powder?

thanks for input. i will check those out, that day i posted i bought Earth Juice - sugar peak veg. 3-1-5 liquid 1 part, its great so far, my babies and mothers love it. no additives, It balances well ph wise, looks dark an thick but mixes clear and is 38$/gal.

Can tell you CNS17 Grow is thick and you have to stir it in an aero nft system or it will separate and make your PH drop. Want to stir clear next time.. (see the pun)

you should try The Oneness from humboldt's ,you use it for veg and bloom,you just add more as the plants get bigger/start to bloom.but they suggest adding some bloom enhancers when budding.heres a pic of it along with some other additives i use

Check out the Oneness program by Humboldt Nutrients.

It's really great.

EDIT: didn't see the dudes post above me. There ya go!

look into dyna-gro they have 3 or 4 line of single complete nuts all you need

litljohn said:

you should try The Oneness from humboldt's ,you use it for veg and bloom,you just add more as the plants get bigger/start to bloom.but they suggest adding some bloom enhancers when budding.heres a pic of it along with some other additives i use

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Was super interested in switching to the humboldt nutrients being that my homie is sponsored by them, but I didn't know they had that Oneness product, very interesting product I'll have to see if he can send me some down from up there.

thing im going for is CHEAPEST/Most Efficient 1 part veg nutrient cuz it really dont take much for vegative state to stay healthy and stable.

Humboldt Nutrients - Oneness 5-9-4 $85/gal
Dyna Gro - Grow 7-9-5 $58/gal
Earth Juice - Sugar Peak Vegative 3-1-5 $38/gal
General Hydroponics - Maxi Grow 10-5-14 $15/2.2lbs dry

Dyna Grow uses 1/4-1/2tsp/per gal.
Sugar Peak Veg uses 1-2tsp/per gal.

I dunno the math off the top of my head but a guesstimate on the length and amount of usage to how much you spend is pretty even with the dyna and earth juice.

botanicares CSN17 is pretty badass, i like it esepecially for veg, you can hit them with full strength and get silly results, nice if youre tryin to speed things up and get em in flower.

The simple reason Humboldt Oneness leaves them all in the dust
is because it is naturally chelated. No EDTA's or other synthetics.

This allows your living micro-organisms (which are so important for
soil and organics) to not be choked out in the high EC range. It is
also 100% biodegradable, so no probs with just tossin the runoff.

Humbolt Oneness is a water soluble nutrient formulated for soil grows. It is an incomplete formula and I defino itely would NOT recommend it for an indoor grow and definitely not for an indoor grow using an inert media. Its fertilizer ingediants: "Ammonium nitrate, Ammonium phosphate, Potassium phosphate, Ferrous sulfate (iron), Potassium nitrate, Magnesium sulfate, Boric Acid, Copper sulfate, Ferrous sulfate, Manganese sulfate and Zinc sulfate." As you can see it's nitrogen sourses are entirely ammonium not nitarte as is the standard for indoor grows. Amono caids work well as natural chelaters if used in organic media, not with hydroponics and inert media. As with most soil nutrient formulations it is missing calcium and molybdenum. I definitely would NOT recomend this formulation for an indoor hydro grow even if adding a real chelator calcium and the mising molybdenum unless you have a pH controller as your pH will drop daily due to its nitrogen source being entirely ammonium nitrogen.
With the price being as low as it is the amount of amino acids added to the formulation would have to be very minimal and likely only a marketing ploy as they would npot even be need with a soial grow as they would already be present. As far as I know of there are no good non liquid concentrate mj specific formulations being sold for indoor hydro in inert media.

GH Maxi Gro
NO3 Nitrate 8.50%
NH4 Ammoniacal 1.50%
Total N 10%
P (as P2O5) 5%
K (as K2O) 14%
Mg 2%
S 3%
Ca 6%
Fe 0.12%
B
Mn 0.05%
Zn
Mo
Cu

As can be seen GH Maxi Gro is a soil formulation as it is missing required micro nutrients needed for inert media indoor hydro. Its nitrogen source is UREA. It purportedly also contains humic, and fulvic and amino acids as natural chelators.

Amino acids if they are quality amino acids are quite expensive. Again at the price this formualtion sells for there are not enough amino acidsto "naturally" chelate the iron or magnesium in a inert medium hydroponic grow. The fulvic acid and humic acid present is just made from coal. I guess some people would call that natural. The manafacturers of good indoor Hydro formulatioons are not likely going to ever sell their tow part or three part formulas in a dry form as that would lower their profits.

AN dry Sensi Formualtions are also out door soil formulations.

Sure they can all be made to work indoors with additions and or pH controllers but there would then be no money savings if you also paid retail for those fertilizers or bought the controller and the pH up or pH down solutions. Humbolts story about b no pH upo or down being needed at best only applies to the pH after mixing, not after use in a recirculating resrvoir. Just more crap deceptive advertising..

Shrubs First said:

The simple reason Humboldt Oneness leaves them all in the dust
is because it is naturally chelated. No EDTA's or other synthetics.

This allows your living micro-organisms (which are so important for
soil and organics) to not be choked out in the high EC range. Dude, this is a hydro thread in the hydr section not a soil thread. Your obviously lost and in the wrong thread. It is
also 100% biodegradable, so no probs with just tossin the runoff. Dude it is no more biodegradable than a chemical nutrient formula with EDTA chelated or EEDHA chelated formulations as it is based upon the same mineral fertilizers and metal salts as chemical hydroponic formulations.

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You be a funny boy. Ha, Ha. Toy Tech and Humbolt Oneness. Oh my!

Hydroponic is the growing in inert non absorbent media with chemically based nutrients. Humbolt Onemess is a bastard child like GH Flora Grow, Maxi Gro or the AN Sensi powder formulations. It is a mix of chemical fertilizered basterdized with some amino acids and or some coal based humic and fulvic acids. Saying all the amino acids are "natural" is totally unfounded.

One should stick to a methodology b nor try to mix them up. If you want Amino Acids, Humic and Fulvic acids then use them with organic fertilizers. If you want to grow hydro in inert media then stick to chemical fertilizers with chelators made for hydroponics such as EDTA, EPTA or EDDHA. One of the benefits of inert chemical hydro is the ability to run a near bacteria/pathogen and enzyme free media and nutrient solution and to be able to use chlorine or H2O2 to maintain that environment. This is not the case with a amino acid, fulvic and humic acid laden system.

Hey I just designed a nutrient calculator. 1200 lines of code. phew! check it out!

fatman7574 said:

You be a funny boy. Ha, Ha. Toy Tech and Humbolt Oneness. Oh my!

Hydroponic is the growing in inert non absorbent media with chemically based nutrients. Humbolt Onemess is a bastard child like GH Flora Grow, Maxi Gro or the AN Sensi powder formulations. It is a mix of chemical fertilizered basterdized with some amino acids and or some coal based humic and fulvic acids. Saying all the amino acids are "natural" is totally unfounded.

One should stick to a methodology b nor try to mix them up. If you want Amino Acids, Humic and Fulvic acids then use them with organic fertilizers. If you want to grow hydro in inert media then stick to chemical fertilizers with chelators made for hydroponics such as EDTA, EPTA or EDDHA. One of the benefits of inert chemical hydro is the ability to run a near bacteria/pathogen and enzyme free media and nutrient solution and to be able to use chlorine or H2O2 to maintain that environment. This is not the case with a amino acid, fulvic and humic acid laden system.

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Not all hydro grows are recirculatory. Tray n Res is what he said..... I use a res
and a tray in Drain to Waste.

I run Hydro, in coco, and it is fully D/W. It depends on setup. The beauty of the
natural chelators is you can immediately feed your roots and plants like chelators
do, but your microbials will also be able to instantly feed, so they won't be choked
out. And it is biodegradable. Same with the Master A&B.

I run hydro, and I choose to innoculate. It is choice. Not everything is definite Fatman, scour some other forum.

Tray and reservoir can be re circulatory or drain to waste child. Nearly all mj growers grow by the substandard re circulatory method child. The worse of the re circulatory system is the constant recirculatory system aqua culture known by many as Deep Water Culture (DWC). It is not hydroponics it is deep water culture. IE water culture. Coco is an organic absorb able media. It is not hydro it is simply a bastard child version of a soil grow. Yours by description is just an organic soil type grow watered with water soluble nutrients not Hydroponics child.

Coco is simply a potting soil just as is peat moss and other absorbent media made of organic absorb ale materials. Coco also has CEC that is substantial regardless of the deceptive advertising they print. It is like Hydroton in that the individual molecule has relatively low CEC in comparison to some mineral complexes but as it is high absorbent it takes salts into its pores where they are held onto just as firmly as high CEC complexes hold salts to their surfaces. Deceptive advertising child, same deceptive advertising as used by hydroton.

Inoculate your soil type grow as much as you like child, but realize you have no idea of what your talking about out as there is really nothing natural about Humboldt Oneness. It is just an incomplete formulation made for soil type grows.

Child tray and reservoir is nearly always re circulatory. Very few growers use drain to waste. Likely your system is some old pots with a few drip emitters sitting in a tray where old stagnant water accumulates. Oh my.

It is you child who is lost. You need to perhaps find some soil grower(s) like Uncle Ben to talk your nonsense with. I would suggest the organic or outdoor threads for someone like you but your grow would fit little better there than in hydro. You are basically growing in a bastardized system child. You fit no where. I suggest you search out a forum for odd balls.

Your touted natural chelate's are less available than commonly used chelate's child. Remember again this is a hydroponics forum. not an organic medium thread or a thread of lets mix it all up thread. Inert non absorbent media and chemical fertilization. Simple as that child. No one cares about micro bios in hydro child, we actually try to prevent them child. n Microbial are for organics child. As far as biodegradable. The typical chemical fertilizer is every bit as biodegradable as the Humboldt Oneness. Throwing a few amino acids in a chemical fertilizer formulation does not make it more biodegradable Child. Humboldt Oneness is made of the same fertilizers as the chemical fertilizer formulations Child. Only it is missing some that are essential to inert hydro growing and even soil growing. Typically it is assumed soils contain some of those ingredients so formulations made for "soil" leave them out if the manufacturers are cheap skates. It is also typical for soil growing formulators to leave out calcium as does the sad sack Humboldt Oneness formulation as they expect a "soil grower" to be using lime on their soil. IE Humboldt Oneness is simply a incomplete water soluble formulation. It is a half ass-ed formulation for outdoor soil growers child. There are a lot of them in California child. Mainly in Humboldt County child. Duh. Are you using lime on your Coco grow child?
Go read up on nutrients formulations before you spout any more silly nonsense child as your becoming very boring in your expressed lack of knowledge than can be tolerated much longer. I do not like putting people on ignore as those pep ople are often the people that cause the most problems by posting the most insane things.

lol, I got one "bubbleponics is a vaild form of hydro" -(ahem) unknow source. Anyway as a cool dude I think that any form of soiless is hydro as a liquid supplies all the essential micro and macro nutrients needed to survive. Why the hell this is a big deal is not as fun as thinking about supplying the plant what it needs and concentrating on this. Coco has no minerals or nutrients so it is hydro. I swear this is all technically hydro y'all as long as the liquid is carrying the micro and macro. Where you herd dif and why I dont know. Let it go. Counter produtive. No offense I just am tired of not having any fun. yawn. . .

man, I almost retyped this to be less blunt. Lol, then I got stoned. I then reread the comments we all get from fatman. What the fuck am I a child for and not a human being! Ahhh. Errrr. Arrrr. One type I honestly thoguht I was just being funny. Got called a child. Yu guys? yu guys? lol. This is a garden forum. Not the miltary. Lets let the launguage go.

seriously tho why is it not all hydro, dwc aquaponics and bubbleponics hydro? all about the micros.

flame on!

Your wrong but that is your problem. Bubbleponics is a combination of DWC and a smidgen of aeroponics at best. It is at best a method that can be said to take advantage to a small extent the benefits of aeroponics. Depending on the water height. In general most bubbleponic systems have no more roots in the water than out of the water so they are principally aqua culture, not aeroponics. Actually most small tube aeroponics are closer to NTF than aeroponics. Aeroponics has its roots in air not laying in water as is typical with small tube aero. There is no hydroponics involved in DWC or bubbleponic.

Generalizations and insane mixing of systems and the use of systems not appropriate to mj growing are the chief problems with mj growing. The fact that all nutrients might be supplied by water soluble nutrients does not in itself mean the grow is hydroponics. If the media is not a physical media without absorbency and inert it is not hydroponics media. Therefore a media other than that can not be used with the water soluble complete fertilizers and be called a hydroponic grow. Simple as that. Even calling aeroponics hydroponics is a stretch as air is pretty hard to honestly call a physical media. It is in reality a medium less grow so is not hydroponics. The fact that mj growers and mj equipment retailers and mj forum sites have gotten to the point of calling anything that is irrigated with water soluble fertilizer as hydro does not make it so. It is like turning a real term into a stretched out contorted slang term and saying the slang term is proper use of the original terminology. Consider it like the word Bitch. The literal word is used to describe a female dog. Through corruption of its use it has been used in so many different ways in the last few decades that it has dozens of inappropriate slang usages. Just because a slang use of a word becomes common place does not change the proper original use and term definition. Just as I find most uses of the word bitch out of place and offense?unacceptable as a scientist and a professional grower I find many uses of the term hydroponics out of place and unacceptable.

If you just want to read a forum for fun rather than to learn you should maybe try my space of some such purely social forum. Learning is not always fun as it frequently means letting go of foolish thoughts, opinions and myths.

Hydroponics means water labor mr. fatman. Coco is an inert media with
no biomatter, it is cellulose, air and water. Meaning it is reliant on water.
You scrutinize way to closely the differences in Hydro vs. Hydro to even try
and form a distinction between Hydro and Soil. You do this so blindly you in
all probability are not a legitimate grower, all I've ever seen come from your
name and signature are some retardedly irrelevent claims. If it is Soiless media
with no ability to give nutrients to plants it is hydro. No clay, no silt. Have fun
with your community of friends, you can keep your Gericke beliefs. hahaha +rep
for making me laugh.

Bla sa, blah sa, blah child. I am a science's professor and a scientist. Definitions and specific terms are important to any learned person. You will not see much street slang and childish twisting of terms or defintitons in science papers or the sciences in academia as a whole. You like most poorly educated people try to talk sciences with generalities and slang and based it on info gained from unreputable sources such as marketers and other hoobt growers who k just regurgitate wht the red from marketers and comic book grade mj growing books. Go out and get an sciences education or some real experience befor e taking anymore trash.

yo are no more credible than the mass marketers you quote, the Myths and poor information put up by some other uneducated and minimally experienced growers who like you just regurgitate others chatter and posted Myths and untruths. Basically our no more credible than the slang definitions you use, a used car salesmen or most if not all narcotics cops. IE the words you write are not worth the net space they occupy. If you noice, just as you and your type freely think it is OK to repeatedly change the definition of a word like bitch, you also also do the same thing to words like hyroponics. That makes you and those you follow so specila child.

Child I have likely grown more than you will ever see in your life, counting all photos you will ever see. Silly little child.

I am now extremely tired of your ludicrous whining and posts child. You are now on my ignore list as responding to your childish silliness is just a waste of my time as you just repeat the same baseless nonsense with ous growing learning or changing. Ie you are a waste of my time it is clear you are just talking out your pie hole and no more.