I'm about to try salvia for the first time, what is a good starting dose?

MisterWeed

MisterWeed

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First of all, I'd like to say that I've had one previous experience with hallucinogens, specifically 70 mg of 4-aco-dmt a while back. I'm 18 years old, and I just moved to a state where salvia is still legal. I bought one gram of 50x salvia extract from a site online, and I want to know what a good starting dose would be for a new salvia user like myself. I also have an accurate milligram scale, so I will be able to weigh out exact doses. I plan on trying 10 mg to start out, but I'm afraid it will be too little for me. How much do you recommend I smoke, assuming I inhale deeply and hold my breath for about twenty seconds?
 
Skuxx

Skuxx

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it it straight leaves, or an extract? I think 10mg is pretty weak no matter how strong the extract. It doesn't really matter with salvia, weighing and all. I don't think I ever weighed it. Just load a bowl like you would weed, and take a hit. Bong is the best... like everything. I only tried the 30x back when it was in headshops in florida.

sorry i didn't see you typed it's a 50x extract and I swear I read it. but, just load up a small bowl... a little more than a one-hitter bowls worth... in a bong or any pipe... preferrably bong... and take as big a rip as you can, and hold it in 20-30 seconds.
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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^lmao @ hotshot

I did salvia extract 50x and left this planet took 3 huge hits my first time and held them in until I left planet earth. I have never hallucinated so hard in my life not off of acid or mushrooms. I was soaring through outer space heading out of the solor system then I freaked and tried to turn around (hallucinating) and fly/outerspace swim back to planet earth. Then when i landed everyone was mirco machines LMFAO then I went running down to the ocean giggling like a little school girl!!

Word of advice make sure your around cool people that will take care of you if need be and keep you from hurting yourself or anyone else.

From another person pov when I was flying through outer space (in my mind) I was drooling on myself wondering around then started running back in forth in my hotel room. I have heard of people running off and falling off stuff high up not knowing because they are so fucked up and then they die or get seriously injured so just make sure your around cool & helpful people. One person should be the look out so know one does anything stupid while tripping their balls off
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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do what I did its fun lol! You get tolerance very fast nothing will be like your first trip so go hard

also you cant od. but you can trip so hard you do dumb things. It effects are very short. peak is like 10 min ans 30min-hr of confusion and then your just a little cloudy the rest of the day but not to bad

I also did dmt. It was scary and I went like a puss so i didnt trip toto hard then..
 
IlovePlants

IlovePlants

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If you are going consume salvia, I would try every other method first besides smoking. Personally I feel that salvia use is highly introspective, and it's use shouldn't be taken lightly although we white people like to think of it as a recreational drug. it's not a party drug. If I were in your position I would think about buying a plant and growing it. That way you can get as much of it as you want whenever you want, and you will not have to buy the cheaply made extracts, Sagan knows how much shit they had to use to process it.

If you have a lot of leaves you can make a tea by juicing a bunch of fresh leaves. Personally I found that the trips I had from leaves where a lot more understandable and mind blowing, without just fucking up your brain to the point where you can't even understand what's going on. This type of titration is excellent at reducing the stress level during a trip. We like to have control, and it's easier to accept that you have no control when the trips on set happens more slowly over time.

I would consider doing half the dosage at first, wait a minute, and if it doesn't seem to be doing anything take another one of the same amount. Salvia and DMT are completely different, but the fact that you have already tried an entheogen should allow you to process it more easily. In my opinion, all things besides harm to other people (in any form not just murder) should be legal. We should have a system in place where people with mindsets based in logic have access to pharmacological compounds that allow them to expand that logic.

Also, the first time I tried salvia, I had a onie of cannabis to calm my nerves. White people fucking bug out when they try salvia extract, there own thoughts betray them and they can't cope with the stress so they start screaming or do dumb shit. Don't be that guy, take it slow and easy. You never hear about someone doing 10 hits of acid their first time, and then just having a great time. It just doesn't happen. Salvia will take you within yourself, and allow you to experience your own ideas in a world of there own. The whole of the universe is at your fingertips, and you are the driver. Make sure you aren't drunk with power, like most of the western world is.

Sincerely,
ILovePlants
P.S. After trying both extracts and natural dried leaves, I think that something is lost in the extraction process. Just my opinion. Stay safe.
 
Skuxx

Skuxx

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What does being white or western have to do with trying salvia? It irritates the hell out of me when people type or talk like that.
 
mr. green thumb 01

mr. green thumb 01

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^ lol thats funny I feel ya. I handle my chit better than anyone I know well usually...except that 1 salvia time but everyone was off the hook off that stuff
 
MisterWeed

MisterWeed

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IlovePlants said:
If you are going consume salvia, I would try every other method first besides smoking. Personally I feel that salvia use is highly introspective, and it's use shouldn't be taken lightly although we white people like to think of it as a recreational drug. it's not a party drug. If I were in your position I would think about buying a plant and growing it. That way you can get as much of it as you want whenever you want, and you will not have to buy the cheaply made extracts, Sagan knows how much shit they had to use to process it.

If you have a lot of leaves you can make a tea by juicing a bunch of fresh leaves. Personally I found that the trips I had from leaves where a lot more understandable and mind blowing, without just fucking up your brain to the point where you can't even understand what's going on. This type of titration is excellent at reducing the stress level during a trip. We like to have control, and it's easier to accept that you have no control when the trips on set happens more slowly over time.

I would consider doing half the dosage at first, wait a minute, and if it doesn't seem to be doing anything take another one of the same amount. Salvia and DMT are completely different, but the fact that you have already tried an entheogen should allow you to process it more easily. In my opinion, all things besides harm to other people (in any form not just murder) should be legal. We should have a system in place where people with mindsets based in logic have access to pharmacological compounds that allow them to expand that logic.

Also, the first time I tried salvia, I had a onie of cannabis to calm my nerves. White people fucking bug out when they try salvia extract, there own thoughts betray them and they can't cope with the stress so they start screaming or do dumb shit. Don't be that guy, take it slow and easy. You never hear about someone doing 10 hits of acid their first time, and then just having a great time. It just doesn't happen. Salvia will take you within yourself, and allow you to experience your own ideas in a world of there own. The whole of the universe is at your fingertips, and you are the driver. Make sure you aren't drunk with power, like most of the western world is.

Sincerely,
ILovePlants
P.S. After trying both extracts and natural dried leaves, I think that something is lost in the extraction process. Just my opinion. Stay safe.
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What does being white have to do with anything? I'm half-Hispanic and half-Caucasian, but I grew up as an average American white guy, and I have no attachment to Hispanic culture, so I consider myself a white guy. Regardless, white people don't have an intrinsic sensitivity to drugs or salvia, and in my experience race has no effect on one's ability to remain composed during a hallucinogenic experience. Why do you think that white people "bug out" on salvia? Are you suggesting that other races don't react similarly? I've seen black people break down crying after taking hallucinogens, so unless they were the exception to the rule, your racial assertions are misguided.
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To those who answered my questions, thank you. I'm still going to go ahead with my 10 mg trial, and then perhaps increase the dose from there. I don't think estimating doses is a good idea when dealing with high-potency salvia extracts.
 
MrEDuck

MrEDuck

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Skuxx said:
What does being white or western have to do with trying salvia? It irritates the hell out of me when people type or talk like that.
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Western would have been a better word, and I can understand it as salvia wasn't known to westerners until very recently and we don't have a history of using it as a sacrament.
That said, there are times when one's ancestry does play a role in how they respond to a drug for genetic reasons. The first example that springs to mind is the lupus drug Benlysta which is only approved for people of non-African descent because it has really terrible side effects at much higher incidences than in other genetic groups.

OP, is 70mg of 4-AcO-DMT correct? Are you sure it was 4-AcO and not something else? That's a really extreme dose even for someone who is experienced.
 
MisterWeed

MisterWeed

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No, in fact it was 4-aco-DMT. It was extremely powerful, and I was a total moron for taking such a large dose. I had never done hallucinogens before, and I had no idea what I was getting in to. On the night that I took the 4-aco-DMT, the original plan was for me and my friends to split the 70 mg among the four of us, but one guy bailed and my other two friends were too afraid to try it. I was 16 years old at the time, and the only substances I had done prior to 4-aco-DMT were weed and alcohol.

I originally weighed out just 15 mg for myself, and swallowed it with a cup of water. After 30 minutes I didn't feel anything, and so (drawing off my limited experience with drugs) I assumed that it was bunk or something. So, already high on marijuana, my friend suggested to me to try it all just to make sure I wasn't ripped off. Feeling brave, I then took the rest. Another thirty minutes later I started seeing smoke appear on the television screen, and shortly thereafter I descended into a powerful state of psychedelia. The experience was somewhat traumatizing, and it forever changed my understanding of psychedelics. Indeed, the dose was quite extreme, and I certainly shouldn't have fooled around with that psilocybin pro-drug at the age of 16 without knowing anything about it. But I guess stupid decisions aren't foreign to me at all.
 
MrEDuck

MrEDuck

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You're lucky it was a tryptamine. And it's a psilocin prodrug, not a psilocybin program. Very small error, but mad props for knowing what a prodrug is and that 4-AcO is one.
 
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