I'm arresting you because you are showing indicators you have smoked marijuana

Fogdog

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Now we've come to the point where a person can be arrested based on the say so of a "trained" drugs recognition police officer.

One person profiled in the video has been arrested three times for DUI. Never once has drugs or alcohol been found in the testing.


http://www.khou.com/news/nation-now/the-drug-whisperer-drivers-arrested-while-stone-cold-sober/439206628

The people in the video were arrested for marijuana and months later case dismissed because test came up clean. Anybody who had traces of marijuana found in the test were convicted. All based upon an unreliable and perhaps over-zealous police officer. Any officer can arrest anybody based upon any indicators that he says he observed.

"Yeah we see this all the time, the drugs test come back wrong."

The fuckers department was awarded by MAD and the officer was given special commendations.

Any officer that is trained is more reliable than any lab test, according to Cobb County police department.

Just wait, civil forfeiture is next.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Now we've come to the point where a person can be arrested based on the say so of a "trained" drugs recognition police officer.

One person profiled in the video has been arrested three times for DUI. Never once has drugs or alcohol been found in the testing.


http://www.khou.com/news/nation-now/the-drug-whisperer-drivers-arrested-while-stone-cold-sober/439206628

The people in the video were arrested for marijuana and months later case dismissed because test came up clean. Anybody who had traces of marijuana found in the test were convicted. All based upon an unreliable and perhaps over-zealous police officer. Any officer can arrest anybody based upon any indicators that he says he observed.

"Yeah we see this all the time, the drugs test come back wrong."

The fuckers department was awarded by MAD and the officer was given special commendations.

Any officer that is trained is more reliable than any lab test, according to Cobb County police department.

Just wait, civil forfeiture is next.
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That three time innocent person needs to sue.
 
Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
liberals, smart:

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right wing authoritaryans, dumb:

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A police department in mid Willamette Valley had a similar problem.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2067.asp

Cox wrote in his report that the motorist had "bloodshot and glassy" eyes and that his tongue had a "light green coating."

The motorist had a cold and was chewing gum. The motorist blew 0.0 on a breathalyzer test and a drug test confirmed that his system was clean, aside from a trace amount of codeine from cold medicine taken the previous day. Although Noakes was not charged with a DUI offense, the arrest will stay on his record.

"Officer Cox" appropriately named. Unlike in Cobb County, Ga, Corvallis fired the officer.

it's not the same all over, some areas are pretty backward.
 
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Fogdog

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Tomba said:
and now...
http://www.totaldui.com/news/articles/unusual/former-oregon-dui-cop-helps-idaho-dui-suspects.aspx
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That is too funny. Maybe its the cup of herbal enhanced golden milk that is just now kicking in but this strikes my funny bone. It is a fact that a conservative in Western Oregon is a flaming liberal in Idaho. So, " disgraced Cox left the Corvallis Police Department and relocated to Boise, Idaho" is now making hay in the defense of DUI. And upsetting the uber right wing establishment ensconced in the courts of Idaho's state capital. LOL.

The funny thing is, I lived in Idaho and can attest that you have to be slobbery drunk and hitting lamp posts on both sides of the street to get a DUI there. I'm surprised the conviction rate isn't higher. Cox, who lost his job for arresting more than one person who had not even had a dram to drink may now be coaching dirty as hell drunk drivers how to beat the rap.

Oh the irony.
 
DiogenesTheWiser

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Fogdog said:
Now we've come to the point where a person can be arrested based on the say so of a "trained" drugs recognition police officer.

One person profiled in the video has been arrested three times for DUI. Never once has drugs or alcohol been found in the testing.


http://www.khou.com/news/nation-now/the-drug-whisperer-drivers-arrested-while-stone-cold-sober/439206628

The people in the video were arrested for marijuana and months later case dismissed because test came up clean. Anybody who had traces of marijuana found in the test were convicted. All based upon an unreliable and perhaps over-zealous police officer. Any officer can arrest anybody based upon any indicators that he says he observed.

"Yeah we see this all the time, the drugs test come back wrong."

The fuckers department was awarded by MAD and the officer was given special commendations.

Any officer that is trained is more reliable than any lab test, according to Cobb County police department.

Just wait, civil forfeiture is next.
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I posted this several days ago. It's very disturbing, especially at the end of the lengthy report when the Cobb Co. Sheriff's Dept says that the officer's determination of suspects using marijuana is more reliable than a scientific test.

Again, this is another reason why pot remains illegal in the Deep South. It's pretext. Pot is the only drug that stays in your system for a long time. Coke, meth, pain killers, exit your system much quicker. Pot use, just smoking two bong hits for example, can remain in your system for up to 15 days, possibly even 21 days. So the stoner who's sober and gets pulled over can be charged with DUI (based on the cop's mystical criteria for judging if somebody is stoned), and the cops know that when he gives urine that it'll come back positive for weed he smoked a day or two ago or even last week. At that point, there's nothing the stoner can do but start the plea bargain process.

Again, we'd have less of these kinds of police practices if lawyers, collectively, would grow a pair, go to court, and fight for their clients.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
That is too funny. Maybe its the cup of herbal enhanced golden milk that is just now kicking in but this strikes my funny bone. It is a fact that a conservative in Western Oregon is a flaming liberal in Idaho. So, " disgraced Cox left the Corvallis Police Department and relocated to Boise, Idaho" is now making hay in the defense of DUI. And upsetting the uber right wing establishment ensconced in the courts of Idaho's state capital. LOL.

The funny thing is, I lived in Idaho and can attest that you have to be slobbery drunk and hitting lamp posts on both sides of the street to get a DUI there. I'm surprised the conviction rate isn't higher. Cox, who lost his job for arresting more than one person who had not even had a dram to drink may now be coaching dirty as hell drunk drivers how to beat the rap.

Oh the irony.
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Fresh apple messes up the breathalyzer.
 
SneekyNinja

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
I posted this several days ago. It's very disturbing, especially at the end of the lengthy report when the Cobb Co. Sheriff's Dept says that the officer's determination of suspects using marijuana is more reliable than a scientific test.

Again, this is another reason why pot remains illegal in the Deep South. It's pretext. Pot is the only drug that stays in your system for a long time. Coke, meth, pain killers, exit your system much quicker. Pot use, just smoking two bong hits for example, can remain in your system for up to 15 days, possibly even 21 days. So the stoner who's sober and gets pulled over can be charged with DUI (based on the cop's mystical criteria for judging if somebody is stoned), and the cops know that when he gives urine that it'll come back positive for weed he smoked a day or two ago or even last week. At that point, there's nothing the stoner can do but start the plea bargain process.

Again, we'd have less of these kinds of police practices if lawyers, collectively, would grow a pair, go to court, and fight for their clients.
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The issue I see is a complete lack of quantative intoxication data.

Tests for alcohol are quantative, there is no quantative testing for marijuana because they can't test for active THC, only it's metabolites.

The metabolites don't even prove you've EVER used marijuana (for example second hand exposure in a public place) let alone that you are presently intoxicated by it.

For a person to be Driving Under Influence I would've thought the key part was categorically proving the "I".
 
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schuylaar

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
I posted this several days ago. It's very disturbing, especially at the end of the lengthy report when the Cobb Co. Sheriff's Dept says that the officer's determination of suspects using marijuana is more reliable than a scientific test.

Again, this is another reason why pot remains illegal in the Deep South. It's pretext. Pot is the only drug that stays in your system for a long time. Coke, meth, pain killers, exit your system much quicker. Pot use, just smoking two bong hits for example, can remain in your system for up to 15 days, possibly even 21 days. So the stoner who's sober and gets pulled over can be charged with DUI (based on the cop's mystical criteria for judging if somebody is stoned), and the cops know that when he gives urine that it'll come back positive for weed he smoked a day or two ago or even last week. At that point, there's nothing the stoner can do but start the plea bargain process.

Again, we'd have less of these kinds of police practices if lawyers, collectively, would grow a pair, go to court, and fight for their clients.
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Something WILL eventually come of this. It MUST/WILL be addressed in the future. The flip is no drug test. I wasn't tested when hired for my company when, in the past, they did. Employers now have to deal with those who live in med and or med/rec. What happens if you live/vacation in one of those places? Is your employer allowed to have that kind of information in the first place? HIPAA and patient privacy? I'm going to say a gift to an employment attorney. My company is global and we are in every state and most counties all with different laws. How can you cover all from an HR standpoint? You can't. Applies to police as well..how can they say? They can't.

If this ever happens, contact your states local chapter of NORML and I can guarantee you, they will pay for your attorney. You don't have to be a weed smoker, either.
 
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Sir Napsalot

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
I posted this several days ago. It's very disturbing, especially at the end of the lengthy report when the Cobb Co. Sheriff's Dept says that the officer's determination of suspects using marijuana is more reliable than a scientific test.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker

Some police departments believed these actually worked, and continued to use them even after it was revealed they were hollow inside
 
DiogenesTheWiser

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Basically what cops do is harass people and give out piss ant citations that can become huge problems if you don't pay them. If they have a major crime, they try to pin it on anybody in their town or community that nobody likes. They usually go after the easiest mark for to "solve" crimes.
 
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schuylaar

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
Basically what cops do is harass people and give out piss ant citations that can become huge problems if you don't pay them. If they have a major crime, they try to pin it on anybody in their town or community that nobody likes. They usually go after the easiest mark for to "solve" crimes.
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In the 1700s they called them witches.
 
Rob Roy

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DiogenesTheWiser said:
Basically what cops do is harass people and give out piss ant citations that can become huge problems if you don't pay them. If they have a major crime, they try to pin it on anybody in their town or community that nobody likes. They usually go after the easiest mark for to "solve" crimes.
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You may not be a lost cause after all.

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