Indoor 600W LED - NY Sour Diesel - Manifold - Detailed & Links

Rhodes55 said:

I need to do a little defoliation and possibly LST after reading your journal. Could you give me some insight on how you go ab out doing those two.

Click to expand...

They look good to me. I would be very selective picking leaves off at this stage now that you have switched cycles the plants dont have long before they stop growing new leaves & start using the leaves & roots youve put all this time & effort into to start bulking up buds. When Im training them down Im basically trying to eliminate overlap so majority of the tips & budsites have their own piece of realestate. I'll even sacrifice lower growth thats not going to be able to compete with the upper canopy. Its seems counter productive but it pays off in my opinion less 'parasitic drain', better airflow & less trimming shitty little 0.1g buds!

But like you said they do look phenomenally good. let em stretch out, you need good airflow under the canopy a gentle breeze blowing through the lower leaves is ideal

Rhodes55 said:

That was the other half of the conversation I didn’t bring up, how can you dictate wattage based on space. What if there’s just 1 plant or 10?? I thought it should be based on plants and nodes like your referring to, the plant should be taking in X amount of light for photosynthesis. I hope someone else has some more insight on this, appreciate the advice. Hope the flowering goes well

Click to expand...

We are still in the 'dark ages' here in New Zealand so I can only speak to HID lighting & the rule of thumb Ive come to learn is...
..A 600w hps with adjustawing shade In a 2.5 square metre area with reflective walls should be able to produce at least 1.2lbs whether its 1 big plant or 10 little plants. Genetics, ideal conditions, quality nutrients & experience etc are factors of course

12/9/19 - Added (2) 75W soft whites. Still in stretch mode. Thinking about getting tomato cages soon to hold up the weight they’ll be taking on.

Rhodes55 said:

12/9/19 - Added (2) 75W soft whites. Still in stretch mode. Thinking about getting tomato cages soon to hold up the weight they’ll be taking on.View attachment 4434213View attachment 4434214View attachment 4434215

Click to expand...

Looking good they've been stretching A lot and they will stretch A lot more still

So far so good .... I’m considering flowering mine soon but you inspire me to veg longer ....
cfls should do help okay I used some once and it helped out a bit ... I feel they are being loved especially since you update so consistently., I’m the same way, I always spoil my babies.

12/10/19 - sheesh they seem to be stretching more and more everyday. Last night I ordered 4ft bamboo, figured they would work much better then a tomato cage since mine are so wide. They should be here by EOD tomorrow.

Rhodes55 said:

12/10/19 - sheesh they seem to be stretching more and more everyday. Last night I ordered 4ft bamboo, figured they would work much better then a tomato cage since mine are so wide. They should be here by EOD tomorrow.

Click to expand...

Be careful introducing bamboo to your garden. Ive caught mould & mites from the green bamboo stakes you get at garden shops & ive seen it even worse in a friends garden who cut his own bamboo stakes. If I ever had to use bamboo again I would bleach the hell out of it then dry them out before I poked them into my dirt & tied my plants to them....
...infact I would never use bamboo again

12/12/19 - I think I successfully sexed all the plants. We had an outstanding 6 of 7 female, so I guess all that hard work didn’t go to waste. First picture is obviously the male with pollen sacs.

12/12/19 - After sexing went through a major defoliation, removing all popcorn bud sites and any stems that didn’t quite reach the top of the canopy. I figured having the 6 of 7 wasn’t expected, cutting some more of the smaller stuff down isn’t going to effect yield now that I have a bunch of plants. Focusing all plants efforts on top cola sites, still at least 7 main sites on each plant. Will be switching nutrients to the final bloom and ripening next watering. Also bamboo will be here today so I can start anchoring the branches a bit more to take on the weight they’ll be putting on.

Rhodes55 said:

12/12/19 - After sexing went through a major defoliation, removing all popcorn bud sites and any stems that didn’t quite reach the top of the canopy. I figured having the 6 of 7 wasn’t expected, cutting some more of the smaller stuff down isn’t going to effect yield now that I have a bunch of plants. Focusing all plants efforts on top cola sites, still at least 7 main sites on each plant. Will be switching nutrients to the final bloom and ripening next watering. Also bamboo will be here today so I can start anchoring the branches a bit more to take on the weight they’ll be putting on.View attachment 4435739View attachment 4435740

Click to expand...

It looks like you took a bit too much off you might suffer a bit with the yield I like to keep about 4-6 inch from the top of the canopy and those buds are pretty much the same size.and you said your having them with at least 7 main tops I wouldn't be surprised if you only get like 7-14 grams per cola. I just remove everything from 6 inch down and I take most of the top fan leaves off to get more light to the bottom sites I just hope your plant will have enough time to recover because you took too much off if you did that like a week befor flower you would of been golden but your plants won't grow anymore bud sites now. I hope you get a decent return but I think you just took off like half of your yield and if you would of taken some of the TOP fan leaves off they wouldn't be popcorn nugs I feel sorry for you and I hope you get a half decent yeild

I was thinking the same , mate a bit much, but I’ve also seen great things happen when you open up air flow and light penetration..allowing the roots to concentrate on just those 7or 8 branches.... I think the jungle boys use this technique . I’m hoping this will help your cause... just be careful defoiling after veg . Can stress a bit

Think your quality might improve... doing this
I have to think you’ll get an ounce per plant at least

m99smith said:

It looks like you took a bit too much off you might suffer a bit with the yield I like to keep about 4-6 inch from the top of the canopy and those buds are pretty much the same size.and you said your having them with at least 7 main tops I wouldn't be surprised if you only get like 7-14 grams only per plant. I just remove everything from 6 inch down and I take most of the top fan leaves off to get more light to the bottom sites I just hope your plant will have enough time to recover because you took too much off if you did that like a week befor flower you would of been golden but your plants won't grow anymore bud sites now. I hope you get a decent return but I think you just took off like half of your yield and if you would of taken some of the TOP fan leaves off they wouldn't be popcorn nugs I feel sorry for you and I hope you get a half decent yeild

Click to expand...

Ya live a learn. Thanks for the insight man! Will continue to keep the thread updated!

Rhodes55 said:

Ya live a learn. Thanks for the insight man! Will continue to keep the thread updated!

Click to expand...

323cheezy said:

I was thinking the same , mate a bit much, but I’ve also seen great things happen when you open up air flow and light penetration..allowing the roots to concentrate on just those 7or 8 branches.... I think the jungle boys use this technique . I’m hoping this will help your cause... just be careful defoiling after veg . Can stress a bit

Think your quality might improve... doing this
I have to think you’ll get an ounce per plant at least

Click to expand...

Yeah If he did it like a week befor flipping to 12/12 it would have been great but its already like a week into flower i think so its not making any new bud sites he will only have those couple he left

Rhodes55 said:

Ya live a learn. Thanks for the insight man! Will continue to keep the thread updated!

Click to expand...

Hey the first plant I every grew I didn't do any defoliation and it was like all small buds so I just made bubble hash. But now I take a lot of the big ass fan leafs off and like I said in the other one I like to keep about 6 inch from the top with bud sites cuz once I take the fan leaves they got enough light to be like just as big as the tops and even if I have a couple popcorn buds I don't mind I make all that and my trim into hash. Then I'll press the hash into rosin

m99smith said:

Yeah If he did it like a week befor flipping to 12/12 it would have been great but its already like a week into flower i think so its not making any new bud sites he will only have those couple he left

Click to expand...

Yup! a week and 2 days into flower.

m99smith said:

Hey the first plant I every grew I didn't do any defoliation and it was like all small buds so I just made bubble hash. But now I take a lot of the big ass fan leafs off and like I said in the other one I like to keep about 6 inch from the top with bud sites cuz once I take the fan leaves they got enough light to be like just as big as the tops and even if I have a couple popcorn buds I don't mind I make all that and my trim into hash

Click to expand...

Yeah, I've grown a couple times in apartments and parents house lol, never was able to get the best light, soil, nuts, manifold, lst, or defoliation. And at the end yield was terrible, they were light airy buds, and so much popcorn, trimming and harvesting was such a pain in the ass. So I went all out on each of those and made sure they were ideal; I agree I probably got a little overzealous, but im hoping to get 7g nugs on each the colas. And with expecting at least half to be male and only 1 was male, I did defoliate more cause it would of been a wash if I had half the plants. Double edge sword kinda, now less time harvesting and nice big juicy nugs hopefully.

Rhodes55 said:

Yeah, I've grown a couple times in apartments and parents house lol, never was able to get the best light, soil, nuts, manifold, lst, or defoliation. And at the end yield was terrible, they were light airy buds, and so much popcorn, trimming and harvesting was such a pain in the ass. So I went all out on each of those and made sure they were ideal; I agree I probably got a little overzealous, but im hoping to get 7g nugs on each the colas. And with expecting at least half to be male and only 1 was male, I did defoliate more cause it would of been a wash if I had half the plants. Double edge sword kinda, now less time harvesting and nice big juicy nugs hopefully.

Click to expand...

Yeah I will have to say those nugs will be really juicy and yeah I just noticed in my other one it said per plant I ment cola I'll edit that one but with how much light you have you should of been able to get like an ounce almost per cola if you kept a bit more bud sites still though will be good smoke i always say i want quality over quantity but if you can get both even better

12/14/19 - Major update. Been waiting for a day to do all this. Finally maximized my space getting the plants tucked in the back corner (they’ll have wall support as the colas grow) Got all the plants rearranged and positioned so every single colas/growth site is exposed. It’s funny how they seem to just fit together perfectly. Utilized the bamboo in multiple capacities, used a couple anchored in the soil to support weak branches, used a couple anchored on wall to make sure they don’t grow over each other, then lastly used them as cross beams in the corner more for support as they gain weight they have something to lean on, and if needed I can add more vertical I can use those as cross support. Very very pleased where were at now. You’ll see I cut a couple of the trays to maximize space as well and really get them tight and together, those tray walls limit you, which leads me into lighting; maximized space by moving the lights around and making sure they were closer together so no gaps in canopy or even lesser light spots. Again very pleased with how this turned out, they were way to spread out before, I think I have everything primed for a great flower and harvest. And lastly, after no water for 3.5 days they were close to bone dry and ready for some food. First time giving them “blooming & ripening” formula and first time using recommended nutrient amount. After defoliation I really want to make sure there getting all the nuts they need and force all the effort into the bud sites. Also gave them more then enough water for the reason above as well. With the smart pots it’s really almost impossible to overwater on one water. Without further a due I have nothing else to say and enjoy the pics. Can’t wait to be posting beautiful crystal bud pics.

Since I haven’t mentioned anything about conditions and a couple people have commented about air flow. The room stays completely open so my house circulates the 74 degree air initially keeping a consistent temp now. (Warmed back up in FL) I have a turbo fan that you’ll see on the floor blowing up through the branches for airflow and strengthening branches. Then I also have a standing oscillating fan that’s blowing air across the top of canopy and also strengthen branches. Both are running consistently.

oh yeah, the “male” on the right is getting no love at all lol now thinking about it I didn’t even give it water. Guess I’ll go throw some normal distilled on it to keep it happy lol