whitediesel
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i started a scrog....i was wondering if it was safe to post pics from my own computer since u can find the ip address....iono...just a thought
Is it safe to post pics
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smokescreen024
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good question i was wondering the same thing.
fatman7574
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Take it from some one with a felony drug record for manafacturing. It is not safe to post photos. Though I have never heard of a person being invetigated for posting photos I know people other than just me that had photos for online sites used against them in court. It is called supplemental evidence. It can not be used to establih due cause to get a seearch warrant or a conviction on its own but it can be used to support other evidence.
The people running seed selling sites only wish to sell seeds not fight with law enforcement. My photos were on the ** site. Seed sellers that fight with law enforcement agencies such as Marc Emery even get extradicted from other countries. I very much doubt the seeds growers or administrators of this site of seed selling pot forum sites have any intention of spending tme in a U.S. Federal prison to protect a photo poster.
Fourty seven photos were presented in court when I sttod trial. The judge and jurors stated the photos were as much as a public confession of guilt as any spoken confession. On appeal the photos were thrown out as illegally obtained but the conviction was upheld. As the photos were on public display they were considered not prejudicial enough to over turn the conviction. even though the site gave them copies of the photos and my IP address without having been served with a search warrant or subpoena.
ill site administrators paid by seed sellers give out an IP to so that their seed sellers continue advertising seeds for sell on that site. The site that gave the police my IP address and the photos is a larger site than this one. They have before and they will likely do it again, and again so as to be able to continue to sell seeds.
Mant y people say Oh bull shit it is safe. However, I do not see those people as being so assured that they will post their real names or email adreeses with those photos. there are many high school havcker s that can get any IP darress of anyone on a site such as this. Poice have computer hackers that work for them as well. They just figure if the sites give then m the photios and IP address the person at trila will give up and accept a plea bargain rather than going to trial. Over 95% of drug crime convictions are settled by plea bargains.
The people running seed selling sites only wish to sell seeds not fight with law enforcement. My photos were on the ** site. Seed sellers that fight with law enforcement agencies such as Marc Emery even get extradicted from other countries. I very much doubt the seeds growers or administrators of this site of seed selling pot forum sites have any intention of spending tme in a U.S. Federal prison to protect a photo poster.
Fourty seven photos were presented in court when I sttod trial. The judge and jurors stated the photos were as much as a public confession of guilt as any spoken confession. On appeal the photos were thrown out as illegally obtained but the conviction was upheld. As the photos were on public display they were considered not prejudicial enough to over turn the conviction. even though the site gave them copies of the photos and my IP address without having been served with a search warrant or subpoena.
ill site administrators paid by seed sellers give out an IP to so that their seed sellers continue advertising seeds for sell on that site. The site that gave the police my IP address and the photos is a larger site than this one. They have before and they will likely do it again, and again so as to be able to continue to sell seeds.
Mant y people say Oh bull shit it is safe. However, I do not see those people as being so assured that they will post their real names or email adreeses with those photos. there are many high school havcker s that can get any IP darress of anyone on a site such as this. Poice have computer hackers that work for them as well. They just figure if the sites give then m the photios and IP address the person at trila will give up and accept a plea bargain rather than going to trial. Over 95% of drug crime convictions are settled by plea bargains.
atrumblood
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Also as long as your photos don't show anything identifiable as evidence such as your address.
your name.
a receipt.
basically just be smart about your pics. Look them over before you post make sure there is nothing that could be connected to you.
Other wise just claim the picture was off of the internet that you downloaded, and as everyone knows there are hundreds of thousands of pictures on the net containing peoples pot pics. It holds up in court, I checked
. So nice when you have a family lawyer.
Don't leave your pics on your camera, cause that counts as evidence against you. When your done posting. Get them off of your camera!
your name.
a receipt.
basically just be smart about your pics. Look them over before you post make sure there is nothing that could be connected to you.
Other wise just claim the picture was off of the internet that you downloaded, and as everyone knows there are hundreds of thousands of pictures on the net containing peoples pot pics. It holds up in court, I checked
. So nice when you have a family lawyer.Don't leave your pics on your camera, cause that counts as evidence against you. When your done posting. Get them off of your camera!
Someguy15
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Too add, get a secure delete program for your comp. Pics stored on a HD are not really deleted. Flash memory is safe from this to my knowledge.Also as long as your photos don't show anything identifiable as evidence such as your address.
your name.
a receipt.
basically just be smart about your pics. Look them over before you post make sure there is nothing that could be connected to you.
Other wise just claim the picture was off of the internet that you downloaded, and as everyone knows there are hundreds of thousands of pictures on the net containing peoples pot pics. It holds up in court, I checked
Also, don't leave your pics on your camera, cause that counts as evidence against you. When your done posting. Get them off of your camera!
atrumblood
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This is true. If they feel like the case is strong enough, and believe that your computer has more than meets the eye, they will have a forensics team taking that drive apart piece by piece even if its not still in one piece lol.
fatman7574
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So they say, but it is still happening. The excuse they use now is they were investigating another crime not the pot growing/possession. In the sate I live in it has been detern mined that stae residents have a constitutional right to psoosses and grow set amounts of pot. But the stae has adopted ferderal slaws so the state law books sya they can not spend funds and resourses invetigating that possesion, growing or use. But if they come cao ross the pot growing or possession when investgating another crime then they can cahrge you with the crime. If they find even a medical user with pot or growing pot while investigating another crime then it is not considered wasting police resources. In states where their are medical marijuana laws they police have been doing that since the laws were passed. Federal law enforcement have only been told they are not to waste their resources investigating medical marijuana users. However investigating you for another crime can be done and the pot crimes is just added as a freebie by them. If they want to bust you they will play what ever tricks they want. In many states police show up to ivestigate a complaint of loud noises or domestic, viloence or child endangerment or what ever they choose. If it gets them in the door you been got.
Consider this: A peresident is part of the executive barnch of the government. A president v can't write a law, only congress can wt rite laws. The president can veto it but the congress v acn revote and send it back. If the resident agian sends it back the congress need only vote on it and if the get a majority vote they can over ride the presidents veto. The president does not have the leagal authority to tell the police not to up hold the laws written by congress. He is an exucutive and that is not one of hos powers. Period. So the presidents does not say do not uphold the law but he instead says do not use federal funds to invetsiagte crimes that they sates are allowing to be broken under state regulations. He has not said not to prosecute law breakers that are caught during other investigations. The president syayss he is not willing to waste his time or political clout trying to get new federal drug laws passed or even considered concerning medical marijuana use. He says flatly he will not support the right for the growing of marijuana by individuals even for medical use by themselves or for others. He says he would support new federals laws allowing marijuana to be prescribed and dispensed by pharmacies like other controlled drugs. That essentially means like cocaine legally imported from other countries for medical usage. Marijuana will likely under federal laws be either imported or grown under federal contracts not by individuals.
Consider this: A peresident is part of the executive barnch of the government. A president v can't write a law, only congress can wt rite laws. The president can veto it but the congress v acn revote and send it back. If the resident agian sends it back the congress need only vote on it and if the get a majority vote they can over ride the presidents veto. The president does not have the leagal authority to tell the police not to up hold the laws written by congress. He is an exucutive and that is not one of hos powers. Period. So the presidents does not say do not uphold the law but he instead says do not use federal funds to invetsiagte crimes that they sates are allowing to be broken under state regulations. He has not said not to prosecute law breakers that are caught during other investigations. The president syayss he is not willing to waste his time or political clout trying to get new federal drug laws passed or even considered concerning medical marijuana use. He says flatly he will not support the right for the growing of marijuana by individuals even for medical use by themselves or for others. He says he would support new federals laws allowing marijuana to be prescribed and dispensed by pharmacies like other controlled drugs. That essentially means like cocaine legally imported from other countries for medical usage. Marijuana will likely under federal laws be either imported or grown under federal contracts not by individuals.
fatman7574
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I had avery expensive lawyer and I was still convicted. Like I said in the appeal decision made while I was in jprison alradyserving my sentence they decided the photos could not be used, however then the basically asid that even though that was all they really convicted me on that the conviction would not over thrown the conviction as the photos were not considered prejudicial. Yeah right, there was no other usable evidence but they were not the reason that the jury said guilty. If the pictures were not considered prejudicial they could not order a new trial or over throw the conviction. Vetry few people ever get let out of prison or have their convictions over turned by higher courts. Even those that do have their convictions over ti urned so that they are released it is usually after spending yeras in prison. No one gets refunded for atoornet y fees or laost wages or time foran over turned convid ction unless the prosecutor is founf guilty m by his peers as c havo ing committed prosecutorial misconduct. Lawyers and judges don'o that to their peers. Those that would have been found guilty just retire or quait without having been judged.Also as long as your photos don't show anything identifiable as evidence such as your address.
your name.
a receipt.
basically just be smart about your pics. Look them over before you post make sure there is nothing that could be connected to you.
Other wise just claim the picture was off of the internet that you downloaded, and as everyone knows there are hundreds of thousands of pictures on the net containing peoples pot pics. It holds up in court, I checked
Don't leave your pics on your camera, cause that counts as evidence against you. When your done posting. Get them off of your camera!
If a lawyer gets a person off in a lower court when they have photos it is because they rest of the evidence wasn't jack. There has to be a president setting case (ie case law)where the appelatte court rules such evidence as lawys being inadmissable and that has not happened. If the case was thrown out on record that is not the reason, beacuse if the cort ever ruled in that fashion the prosectuer woul appeal the decision as lower courts can only make rulings based on existing case law or statutes. There is no case law or statutes saying that a person can never have internet posted pictures used against them in court. The lower courts can only rule based on statutory law or case law they can not make case law. They must convict you and allow the appelatte court to k make a decision of wheter to or not to write new case law.
All they need is legally obtained photos traced as having been sent from your IP address. Which maens they need to use a sercah warrant or sunpoena. A judge would grant it as there is no established case law. The only case law in rerad to internet pj hoots s in regard to child porn.,. They courts have ruled in a child porn ace that the prosecutor must prove beyond areasonable doubt that the photos is a real photo of a pearons not a computer generated photo. That case law does not apply to any other type of internet photos. So as it stands a photo from your IP is usable in court unlees it is illegally obtained, or if you can prove to a jury that someone else more than likely sent them from your personal IP address. Yes they have leaglly used photos againsy t people when it was they were sent from an employerrs computer if when those people wete the principal users of the computers.
Your family lawyer is a dumb ass if he told you it was OK to submit photos from your own IP address. Unless someone else has regular access to your computer your screwed. Unles you want your spouse or children convicted instead. Prosecutors would use that tactic to get you to plead guilty to a lower crime. Typically the photos are just icing on the cake. They normally convict on other ecvidence and just use internet photos to scare you into a plea bargain or to impress the jury as less than five pervcent of people convicted ever get an appeal heard anyway by the higher courts, unless it is a capital offense.
atrumblood
Well-Known Member
Don't give them a reason to start looking for photos from your ip. Not only that but even if they did find your ip and a picture linking to it. ISP addresses are mostly dynamic. Also Internet service providers do not keep track of who had what ip at what time unless there is a reason to watch someone.
So it not as solid of a lead as most would think. My home ip changes on average every week to every month or so.
So in a week someone in another city could have my same ip address, and I would have a completely different one.
I'll say it again, Do Not Give Them a Reason to look your way.
Also this is the internet, what is posted on the internet is wont hold up in court. It is not physical proof. They can not get you for anything that is posted on the internet cause for all the know someone else could have logged into your account and posted it. Atrum is right when he talks about your IP it changes from time to time, unless you for some reason have a static IP but most dont if you just have your typical household internet. So unless you are giving them a reason to look into what you are doing, you are fine...
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Illegal Smile
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My wife is a lawyer. She is ok with me posting close-up pics of a part of a plant perhaps to diagnose a problem, but not of whole plants or whole grows. The pics that can hurt you the most are the ones that are bragging and showing off. To answer the original question - hell no it's not safe.
fatman7574
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The problem is if there is any reaon for them to bust you they will bust you. THEN they drag in things like photos. Those are the things that jurors love to see. The judge will allow them to be seen. It is after you are convicted that you get to argue that they should not be allowed to have been used in court. This argument is going on af AFTER you have been convicted.
I know people today that are in jail because their childrens told their teachers and visting "crime dogs" that their parents grow and smoke pot. There are Dare programs all over the country in schools trying to h keep children from starting on drugs. Kids are encouraged to help their parents my telling their teachers that the if their parents do drugs.
Photos are like I said, just icing on the cake. If you want to post photos just go to a libray anf use their computer. If your going to post never poasst from your home or office, or better yet don,t post photos period.
Crap like dynamic float IP's doesn't, matter as long as there are people who cooperate with police. Internet providers cooperate with police and they do keep very long records of IP adresses especialy since 911 as doing so is a tax right off for them now.
Site administrators on growing sites routinely cooperate with police. So do most employers. It is realy not work the bragging rights. If you want to impress someone fingd a leagl way to do so. Plus you have to deal with the simple fact that there are criminal records and conviction records. Ant y employer can leagally ask for a legal copy of your criminal records as a condition of possible employment. Your criminal record is a copy of any thing you have ever been arrainged for or any caharge ever brought down by a grand jury indictment.
That criminal record never goes away. The big problem is it doesn't matter if you were convicted of the crime or if the charges were dismo issed it still remains on your criminal record. Employers and citizens in general seem to often believe any thing a person is arrainged for or a grand jury determine you should stand trial for that you are most likely guilty of as they believe many people just get off on technicalities.
That is what is repeatedly shown on TV and always appears in the news. People aso believe please can stick there hands in your pockets and empty them. They see it i on TV and so they believe it. A policeman acn only pat you down from out side your pokets. Only if they think they w feel a weapon acn they put there hands in your pocket and they have to arrest you firts. That is law in every state. Just like they can look in your car windows but without your permission or a search warrant they can not open your car doors trunk etc. or reach in through an open window etc.
Even a drug dog alerting on you or your car does not give them a right to do an illegal search. It only gives them probable cause to get a search warrant or to arrest you. To many people believe the stupid shit they see on TV and therefore allow the police to violate their rights.
Any time a police officer pulls you over you have the right to ask him to identify him or g herslf. A badge, car or uniform is not identification. Same as if they ask to see your ID, show it to them don't give it to them. I gurantee if you ask them to identify themselves they will not give you their ID even if you ask for it. You are also not required to give it to them. You are required to present ID upon request not give it to them. They always ask you to take it out of your wallet. All you have to do is say no I don't think that is required of me.
If you give it to them you can not leave as that would be driving without a license. They play a lot of games. Getting your wallet gives them time to look up your name etc. You are not required to wait while they do so, but if you give them your license you can not drive way. You willing gave it to them so you are the reason they can run your id. It is just like if they ask if they can search your car, or they say empty f your pockets and you do so. You gave up your rights willingly. They can ask you to do so, you have to know you can say no.
Only if the arrest or legally detain you do they have to read your your rights. You can simply ask am I being arrested. If they say no ask "am I being detained and if so for what." They need a reason to detain you. Checking your name on the computer is not a reason.If they say they are detaining you you can simply say read me my Miranda rights then. If they do not put cuffs on you or read you your Miranda rights you can just say I do not want to talk to you I wish to leave. Law is law. No posy ting pictures is not safe or wise.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. yep like a thousand word confession of guilt. Legal or not. Once those jurors see the photos they don't listen much to the words disregard the photos. Neither do judges disregard them. It is like breaking in through a hotel door to find your spouse having sex with another person only to be told disregard what you saw beacuse you did not have the right to break through the door. Right you will disregard that no problem.
atrumblood
Well-Known Member
THanks for your input but no reason to be paranoid unless your already in trouble. These are very different times we live in now, and the only reason you have to worry about is if you (the grower) do something stupid to get you into trouble with the law. Other wise, it's not like they have people going through the net just so they can find some pot pics and try to find out who posted them. It would be a very large waste of resources and not worth the governments time or effort. The government would rather kick you while your already down.
Bottom line!:---- Do Not Do Stupid Shit When You Are Growing POT!
Other wise. happy posting.
atrumblood
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Yep, it's not safe. Growing pot is a risk we all take, and even using these forums or any Marijuana Growing forums is a risk.
I still see no reason not to use the forums, and no reason not to post pics.
However I will say : To each his own, if you don't feel safe posting then don't post, and if you really want to feel safe, just stop growing, and smoking pot all together.
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Illegal Smile
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I might walk on top of a fence that is four feet high. I would not walk across that fence 100 feet above the ground. But why not? As long as I'm careful I won't fall so it won't matter if the fall is 4 or 100 feet.
Posting pics won't get you busted just like being 100 feet up won't make you fall.
Posting pics won't get you busted just like being 100 feet up won't make you fall.
fatman7574
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I am sure nearly every grower in jail thought that way until hearing the clang of the closing of those iron bar gates and steel doors. How about dom n't advertise your crime um nless your willing to do the time.