Is She Thirsty or Is This Something Else (Pics)

First off, thanks for taking the time to take a look and hopefully add your two cents. I watered her about two days ago when she was looking droopy. If I put my finger in her pot, soil still feels a bit moist about two inches down, which makes me think that this is maybe a sign of over watering. I don't quite have the experience to tell these two apart. Also, I've read that if the top leaves are long and spindly it could be a sign of salt build up. Admittedly, I wasn't able to water until there was run-off the last time she was fed. Finally, my humidity has been relatively high, bouncing between 55-60%. Thoughts?

how close is the light? that has happend to me b4 and it was because the light was to close.

ROBSTERB said:

how close is the light? that has happend to me b4 and it was because the light was to close.

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About 11 inches (28 cm) from the glass.

i had the same prob yesterday gave them a flush and they perked up within half hour..give it a go pal..itll work trust...

kingi95012 said:

I had the same problem. I moven my lights higher up. It worked for me. It may work for you?

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Just curious, what kind of light were you using and how high did you set it?

I'm working with a 400w HPS and just raised it. It's now about 15 inches (38cm) above the tops. Either of you guys think I should I go higher?

kevin murphy said:

i had the same prob yesterday gave them a flush and they perked up within half hour..give it a go pal..itll work trust...

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I'm toying with the lights first, but if they don't perk up within an hour or so, I'll likely give this a try. Thanks.

I think it's over watering that light isn't that close, I have a 600 W hps closer than that and mine are fine. I have over-watered my plants before and it looked a lot like that. let them dry out for a while until the pot feels noticeably lighter, what size pots do you have? I bought a moisture meter which has helped a huge amount and they're cheap.

Hope that helps!

TC

TheCannabist said:

I think it's over watering that light isn't that close, I have a 600 W hps closer than that and mine are fine. I have over-watered my plants before and it looked a lot like that. let them dry out for a while until the pot feels noticeably lighter, what size pots do you have? I bought a moisture meter which has helped a huge amount and they're cheap.

Hope that helps!

TC

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They're in 3gal Smart Pots.



Yeah, kevin murphy suggested flushing. I'm wary to do so, though. I feel like it's kind of a last resort, no? Since I watered them only a couple days ago (though perhaps not enough,) and given the relatively high humidity, which I've since got down to 50%, I'm thinking they may be over-watered. This is my first grow and I've read that new growers rarely under-do things. I'll give it a day or so before thinking further about flushing.

TheCannabist said:

I think it's over watering that light isn't that close, I have a 600 W hps closer than that and mine are fine. I have over-watered my plants before and it looked a lot like that. let them dry out for a while until the pot feels noticeably lighter, what size pots do you have? I bought a moisture meter which has helped a huge amount and they're cheap.

Hope that helps!

TC

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Tell me your secrets, coz i put a 600w hps about 2 foot away from my plants the other day and it bruned the hell out of the tops of my plants, i moved it to 3 foot and it still done it. i put them back under flors and cfl's coz theres no way i can stop the heat. ive been thinking about putting a sheet of glass over the top of the plants and see if that helps.

I would have to concur with Onyx. Drooping of the leafs and stems is generally cause by overwatering and sometimes the plants will do the same thing when they NEED water.

So make sure you wait in between waterings.. until the top layer (1/4th to 1/3rd of an inch) of the top layer of soil is completely dried out. Once the top 1/4th layer or so is dry.. then its time to water again. Doing it this way will ensure that you don't over water them.

If the lights were too close.. the leafs and stems wouldn't droop, they generally would look burnt and be crispy to the touch.

anyhow, hopefully that helped you out some.

peace.

here is a chart that may be used for reference for light distance. you need to take into account the heat of the bulb because the chart is only for light.

cannabisguru said:

I would have to concur with Onyx. Drooping of the leafs and stems is generally cause by overwatering and sometimes the plants will do the same thing when they NEED water.

So make sure you wait in between waterings.. until the top layer (1/4th to 1/3rd of an inch) of the top layer of soil is completely dried out. Once the top 1/4th layer or so is dry.. then its time to water again. Doing it this way will ensure that you don't over water them.

If the lights were too close.. the leafs and stems wouldn't droop, they generally would look burnt and be crispy to the touch.

anyhow, hopefully that helped you out some.

peace.

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Thanks guru. I went ahead and raised the light anyway, only to 15 inches though. I figure that can't really hurt. But at this point, and with all the input, I'm leaning towards a little over-saturation. I'll def give her another day or so before stressing further.

Still, if other people would like to weigh in, please do. I appreciate the input, even if it's just you agreeing with another response.

smoke and coke said:

here is a chart that may be used for reference for light distance. you need to take into account the heat of the bulb because the chart is only for light.

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Nice chart. I just looked through all 19 of the associated pics. Some good stuff in there!

scunkworm said:

Tell me your secrets, coz i put a 600w hps about 2 foot away from my plants the other day and it bruned the hell out of the tops of my plants, i moved it to 3 foot and it still done it. i put them back under flors and cfl's coz theres no way i can stop the heat. ive been thinking about putting a sheet of glass over the top of the plants and see if that helps.

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There's no way bro. That's impossible... you sound like your exaggerating quite a bit. I seriously doubt that you had the light 2 or 3 feet away from the tops of the plants (the canopies). There's no way your plants got burnt if you had the lights that far away, especially just a 600watt HPS.

Your sheet of glass idea, is actually a good idea buddy. This is why generally, the higher wattage (especially 1k HPS/MH lamps) usually come with a glass insert.. which in return does in fact dissipate the heat output from the bulb/ballast.. and keeps it from directly impacting the top of the plants. Kind of like a heat-sink.. kinda works on the same principles.

But anyhow, as far as your plants getting burnt from a 600watt HPS.. that was 2 or even 3 feet away from the tops of the plant(s).. I just don't see it happening. Not with a 600watt unit anyhow. You might be over feeding your plants..??? Not sure.. but I just don't see that happening.. IMO.

I've got a couple of secrets to keep the summer time indoor temps at bay.. and I live in the dirty South where it gets REALLY FUCKING hot during the summer months. I'm talking like 95`F average during the day.. with the hotter parts of the days temps reaching above 100`F with 'heat index' values topping 110`F to 115`F.. as well as high % humidity.. but yet I'm still able to keep the grow room at 82`F or lower.. even during the hottest part of the day (from 3pm to sun down) I'm able to keep my temps below 85`F and my humidity levels never get above 45%. Well, I take that back.. I think I had one day where my max RH level was like 48% or so.. but it wasn't anything drastic you know.

But yeah.. next time bro, try these tips for keeping your temps and humidity levels in check:

1. point one ore more fans directly at your light source - (helps dissipate the heat vapors.. and keeps the air moving and gives good air circulation)

2. use one or more fans for exhaust - ( pulling air out of the grow area/grow box/ whatever your using to grow in.. is vital to keep temps in check)

3. use one or more fans for your 'air intake' - (pulling cooler air from outside the plants growing environment.. actually helps cool the grow area.. and then your exhaust fans will blow that air back out where it came from. Basically, you want to recycle the air.. and keep it moving. The more airflow (CFM) you have going.. the better off you'll be.)


Hopefully that helped you out some buddy. I realize sometimes things are just out of your control.. but if you'll follow those tips I gave to ya, you'll be alright and your plants will give you many thanks.. and reward you in the end (harvest time).

peace.. and have a safe but fun Memorial Day weekend everyone.

kriznarf said:

Thanks guru. I went ahead and raised the light anyway, only to 15 inches though. I figure that can't really hurt. But at this point, and with all the input, I'm leaning towards a little over-saturation. I'll def give her another day or so before stressing further.

Still, if other people would like to weigh in, please do. I appreciate the input, even if it's just you agreeing with another response.

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Right on bro.. right on.

Do what I do.. live your life by this motto: "Better safe than sorry." follow that rule throughout life.. and you'll do fine my friend. It's always worked for me.. I can say that much.

peace.

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They're in 3gal Smart Pots.

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Yeah, kevin murphy suggested flushing. I'm wary to do so, though. I feel like it's kind of a last resort, no? Since I watered them only a couple days ago (though perhaps not enough,) and given the relatively high humidity, which I've since got down to 50%, I'm thinking they may be over-watered. This is my first grow and I've read that new growers rarely under-do things. I'll give it a day or so before thinking further about flushing.

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I think that's a smart move. I'm a first time grower and I can honestly say that over doing things is far more likely than under doing. If they don't perk up in a day or two then flush, but it does not look like nute burn to me and yes i did have nute burn in this grow as well. if it's anything other than overwatering it will be the light, but to be honest i doubt it. try aiming one of those fans across the length of the light, should make a difference quickly if that's the problem.

cannabisguru said:

There's no way bro. That's impossible... you sound like your exaggerating quite a bit. I seriously doubt that you had the light 2 or 3 feet away from the tops of the plants (the canopies). There's no way your plants got burnt if you had the lights that far away, especially just a 600watt HPS.

Your sheet of glass idea, is actually a good idea buddy. This is why generally, the higher wattage (especially 1k HPS/MH lamps) usually come with a glass insert.. which in return does in fact dissipate the heat output from the bulb/ballast.. and keeps it from directly impacting the top of the plants. Kind of like a heat-sink.. kinda works on the same principles.

But anyhow, as far as your plants getting burnt from a 600watt HPS.. that was 2 or even 3 feet away from the tops of the plant(s).. I just don't see it happening. Not with a 600watt unit anyhow. You might be over feeding your plants..??? Not sure.. but I just don't see that happening.. IMO.

I've got a couple of secrets to keep the summer time indoor temps at bay.. and I live in the dirty South where it gets REALLY FUCKING hot during the summer months. I'm talking like 95`F average during the day.. with the hotter parts of the days temps reaching above 100`F with 'heat index' values topping 110`F to 115`F.. as well as high % humidity.. but yet I'm still able to keep the grow room at 82`F or lower.. even during the hottest part of the day (from 3pm to sun down) I'm able to keep my temps below 85`F and my humidity levels never get above 45%. Well, I take that back.. I think I had one day where my max RH level was like 48% or so.. but it wasn't anything drastic you know.

But yeah.. next time bro, try these tips for keeping your temps and humidity levels in check:

1. point one ore more fans directly at your light source - (helps dissipate the heat vapors.. and keeps the air moving and gives good air circulation)

2. use one or more fans for exhaust - ( pulling air out of the grow area/grow box/ whatever your using to grow in.. is vital to keep temps in check)

3. use one or more fans for your 'air intake' - (pulling cooler air from outside the plants growing environment.. actually helps cool the grow area.. and then your exhaust fans will blow that air back out where it came from. Basically, you want to recycle the air.. and keep it moving. The more airflow (CFM) you have going.. the better off you'll be.)


Hopefully that helped you out some buddy. I realize sometimes things are just out of your control.. but if you'll follow those tips I gave to ya, you'll be alright and your plants will give you many thanks.. and reward you in the end (harvest time).

peace.. and have a safe but fun Memorial Day weekend everyone.

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Nice one for the info and honestl man it was a goos 2 and a foot" but it only happend coz there room was less than a meter each way in size apart from the floor to the roof coz that bang on 2- half 3 foot so yeah just a little extravant, i had that 600w more closer to the tops i'd say about 7-9 inch's away but that was in a room thats the same size of a bedroom. but the heat played a big part in such a small space' could you recommend what the best size cfl's i can use for flowering? i was keeping me 600w for that, coz i read somewhere its better for flowering? its a dule spectrum light and says it can be used throughout the grow. but i hav't seen many good threads about them.

TheCannabist said:

I think that's a smart move. I'm a first time grower and I can honestly say that over doing things is far more likely than under doing. If they don't perk up in a day or two then flush, but it does not look like nute burn to me and yes i did have nute burn in this grow as well. if it's anything other than overwatering it will be the light, but to be honest i doubt it. try aiming one of those fans across the length of the light, should make a difference quickly if that's the problem.

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Ha, after all the work I put into the ducting and cooling of this light, I'm hoping that throwing another clip-on at it would be superfluous. One of the fans is already mixing it up around the tops anyway. I've been real conscious about air-flow as my tent is semi-outdoors and it's generally pretty humid up in the Pac-NW. My tent's humidity has been hovering between 55% and 60%, though I've got that down to 50% now, which is hopefully okay for the time being. I know it's not ideal though, given that the plants are likely over-watered.