Is this nutrient burn or mag def/lockout?

The funny thing is the first plants o ever grew were phenomenal and healthy as fuck. Somewhere along the way listening to "master growers" and Hydroshop owners my gardens have taken turns for the worst requiring me to run back to the store for another product or using way too much light than needed creating more issues and attracting unwanted attention. Literally grew my first plants under 250w of 25w CFls had like 6 of them, a Heater in a shed to maintain temps, a bathroom exhaust fan to exchange air out its 3 inch Home Depot rubber ducting and a fan moving air around. promix potting mix from Walmart with worm poop and perlite, tap water giving a feed of iguana juice once every third watering, beautiful vibrant green thriving plants. The results you see here are FROM in the beginning following advice of other rollitup members and "mastergrowers". Dimwits who thinkyou gotta go to school for 10 yrs and take 6 courses to grow a weed lmao

Not saying I'm not willing to listen or take advice I understand there's apt to learn but gotta keep it realistic here boys ain't building the space shuttle yo

That's the problem with listening to others... they might be wrong. There's a lot of bad info spread around here and has been like that for years. It's just a plant.

polishpollack said:

That's the problem with listening to others... they might be wrong. There's a lot of bad info spread around here and has been like that for years. It's just a plant.

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Givi said:

Not saying I'm not willing to listen or take advice I understand there's apt to learn but gotta keep it realistic here boys ain't building the space shuttle yo

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Your replies were completely biased. First told me looks like I wasn't listening to what people were telling me, than your next response was that's the problem with listening to people on here. Retarded bullshit spewed from their mouths end up costing people time and money trying to "better their crops" when in reality there was nothing wrong with them in the first place. I bet the Feds would love these places. Would be great tool to spread anti grow propaganda and encourage it as "master growery" haha

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Your replies were completely biased. First told me looks like I wasn't listening to what people were telling me, than your next response was that's the problem with listening to people on here. Retarded bullshit spewed from their mouths end up costing people time and money trying to "better their crops" when in reality there was nothing wrong with them in the first place. I bet the Feds would love these places. Would be great tool to spread anti grow propaganda and encourage it as "master growery" haha

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We call it "bro science" around here.
Stuff like feeding plants Mountain Dew, flushing with straight water for weeks, boiling roots, saying "bloody mary" in the mirror 3 times.....
Welcome to RIU

The test bud dried very airy. I have a feeling this is an outdoor variety I've been running the timer adjacent to the sunrise and sunset until I reached 12/12 and left it there since the days have been getting shorter and this room gets sunlight the foxtailing has increased, only other thing changed was a possible slight light leak around lights off quickly working to close things up and that I reduced nutrient strength and started with a florablend/molasses drench every 3rd feeding. Was feeding with every watering as per recommendation on bottle soil formula. The plant and more light would have been a stupid idea there was no space to keep a 600 on these tops no more vertical room even with a tube would be questionable and not about to spend 500 bucks to heat the room up and encourage the foxtailing. This is the hottest I've ever run a room 80 degrees under my 600 in the 3x3 was near impossible to keep down without cranking house ac running tube sealed with filter on floor outta tent and keeping door open during light on /hanging a wet cold wringed towel and replenishing it 4 times a day to kee the temps down and rh above 25. Results were dank as fuck. did 16000 limes worth of cfl on 1 plant 1 foot tall got an dense dank oz with 5 weeks from seed. Recently moved and this is acquired bagseed, for some reason the genetics out here are garbage and have been noticing this for awhile. I should continue to lower photoperiod slowly each night and continue to mimic the plants outdoor environment as we know sativas are very sensitive to changes in environment particularly photoperiod, landrace leaning strains being genetically more prone to this foxtailing and is my first time growing a seemingly pure sativa. Thing took the fuck off and should be only done from 12/12 and slowly lowered down to about 10/14 imo. Hardly use nitrogen seem to store it till flower then use it up quick in the beginning and slow down halfway thru.

HydroRed said:

We call it "bro science" around here.
Stuff like feeding plants Mountain Dew, flushing with straight water for weeks, boiling roots, saying "bloody mary" in the mirror 3 times.....
Welcome to RIU

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Lmfao that's golden. What's your take on this plant need a 1000w and 65 different meters nd 90%water'd down big name additives or what here lmao. Although I could benefit from an ec meter. Understanding this is built somewhat of a soil, containing lots of worm poop and mychorizae. Sure there's is a little biological activity going on if any at this point. Even my promix hp comes straight out of the bag with a runoff of 5.2 it's the acidity of the peat lol. Over time the lime will maybe raise it a bit but more than likely to be depleted by the time it does much of anything in my opinion. it's such a small container I'm basically treating it as a "hydro-soil" at this point. Purely an experiment also at this point, was since I let it veg past 8 inches in 2 weeks without topping it hahaha. sodium is rubbish also, will be considering a cmh I think is the answer for my small infrequent grows. Maybe I'm completely dumb I dunno

Dried ontop of the ballast pack over the past 24 hours. Lmfao looks like a cross between two jamaicain land races I got awhile back called Nepal jam. Got me pretty stoned after a good dimmer bowl definitely a creeper, not long lasting. Spotted maybe a few milky heads still got 4 weeks imo by the look of the bud structure, closer inspection shows this could very well be aggivated by a photoperiod issue or slight light leak combined with garb genetics And the high dry heat doesn't play well with the top cola

Givi said:

Dried ontop of the ballast pack over the past 24 hours. Lmfao looks like a cross between two jamaicain land races I got awhile back called Nepal jam. Got me pretty stoned after a good dimmer bowl definitely a creeper, not long lasting. Spotted maybe a few milky heads still got 4 weeks imo by the look of the bud structure, closer inspection shows this could very well be aggivated by a photoperiod issue or slight light leak combined with garb genetics And the high dry heat doesn't play well with the top cola

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Here is what came of the cfl plant last yr, same dirt without the time release nutes 4 gallon pot for a 1.5ft plant at harvest, top dress of high phos guano at week 3, water water feed, half strength to fill strength plus bcuzz bloom stimulator at week 3 reduced to half strength no flush gh organic line

Givi said:

Lmfao that's golden. What's your take on this plant need a 1000w and 65 different meters nd 90%water'd down big name additives or what here lmao. Although I could benefit from an ec meter. Understanding this is built somewhat of a soil, containing lots of worm poop and mychorizae. Sure there's is a little biological activity going on if any at this point. Even my promix hp comes straight out of the bag with a runoff of 5.2 it's the acidity of the peat lol. Over time the lime will maybe raise it a bit but more than likely to be depleted by the time it does much of anything in my opinion. it's such a small container I'm basically treating it as a "hydro-soil" at this point. Purely an experiment also at this point, was since I let it veg past 8 inches in 2 weeks without topping it hahaha. sodium is rubbish also, will be considering a cmh I think is the answer for my small infrequent grows. Maybe I'm completely dumb I dunno

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GH 3 part, P-K boost additive late flower.
Tap water, pH down and H2o2.
Firm believer in the K.I.S.S. method
Airy, whispy buds are usually a sign of early harvest, lack of light, or stress/environment issue.
Honestly 80*F doesnt seem bad at all. Foxtails can be genetics or a sign of maturity that comes on late flower right before harvest as well as a sign of heat stress.
What does the leaves look like around the buds? That is how you would be able to more easily identify if there are light leaks or photoperiod issues.
They tend to have smaller, glossy, rounded leaves with no serrations on the edges along with deformed leaves with odd number of fingers etc.

HydroRed said:

GH 3 part, P-K boost additive late flower.
Tap water, pH down and H2o2.
Firm believer in the K.I.S.S. method
Airy, whispy buds are usually a sign of early harvest, lack of light, or stress/environment issue.
Honestly 80*F doesnt seem bad at all. Foxtails can be genetics or a sign of maturity that comes on late flower right before harvest as well as a sign of heat stress.
What does the leaves look like around the buds? That is how you would be able to more easily identify if there are light leaks or photoperiod issues.
They tend to have smaller, glossy, rounded leaves with no serrations on the edges along with deformed leaves with odd number of fingers etc.

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Definitely been having a bit of those leaf issues Man the new little leaflets around the little foxtails that just popped out are like that but not heavily, also having been in here with my phone torch around lights out a few times and there being light from outdoors till getting in have the space covered with a blanket. the plant was putting out single blades leaves for the longest time till I got down to 12/12. Then recently as the sunlight getting in here has reduced in hours greatly with dl savings being just now makes sense. I read somewhere this being called the "fall effect", not sure how much stock is behind that or if it's just a make up escuse for poor growing practices/missed issue gone misdiagnosed. I agree with your method basically same as I use but to bring ph down I use about half Brita water half tap and add a drop of florablend it's a weak compost tea but keeps the ph around 6.8 and acts as a blocker from the alkalinity in the tap buffering the 50/50 mix back up past 7. Early stages I use the Brita right from the filter. Typically with seedings started in a composted mix. Finding I probably won't die this anymore and go sterile to soil to avoid damping off in the first week.. anyways the Brita ph it rises slowly over a period of a few days but right from the filter it's 6 l bubble it a bit to bring it up around 6.8. After 2 days of sitting it's still around 6.8-7. Depending on stage I'll topdress more hydrated lime to make up for loss of tds in water source due to filtering and or depletion in the medium. I have been triying to reduce the need for strong acids and bases whenever possible. As typing this after a another full bowl of this stuff dried ontop of the 150 I am stoned to the bone and need to lay down lmfao

Givi said:

Definitely been having a bit of those leaf issues Man the new little leaflets around the little foxtails that just popped out are like that but not heavily, also having been in here with my phone torch around lights out a few times and there being light from outdoors till getting in have the space covered with a blanket. the plant was putting out single blades leaves for the longest time till I got down to 12/12. Then recently as the sunlight getting in here has reduced in hours greatly with dl savings being just now makes sense. I read somewhere this being called the "fall effect", not sure how much stock is behind that or if it's just a make up escuse for poor growing practices/missed issue gone misdiagnosed. I agree with your method basically same as I use but to bring ph down I use about half Brita water half tap and add a drop of florablend it's a weak compost tea but keeps the ph around 6.8 and acts as a blocker from the alkalinity in the tap buffering the 50/50 mix back up past 7. Early stages I use the Brita right from the filter. Typically with seedings started in a composted mix. Finding I probably won't die this anymore and go sterile to soil to avoid damping off in the first week.. anyways the Brita ph it rises slowly over a period of a few days but right from the filter it's 6 l bubble it a bit to bring it up around 6.8. After 2 days of sitting it's still around 6.8-7. Depending on stage I'll topdress more hydrated lime to make up for loss of tds in water source due to filtering and or depletion in the medium. I have been triying to reduce the need for strong acids and bases whenever possible. As typing this after a another full bowl of this stuff dried ontop of the 150 I am stoned to the bone and need to lay down lmfao

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Also I find ph down pracrices aren't much needed in soil grows especially in a well balanced living medium. The peat is a strong buffer against the water I find sit stronger than one would think, and the soil biology makes things more available and reduces/slows changes in the medium.. high cec with soil also so fertilization itself usually helps kee things in check. Kinda my understanding of it. No doubt about it I did screw this grow pretty hard though. Don't want to blame it all entirely on genetics, and usually smal light issues like this never had affect prior I run lights at night eight daylight getting in window during off cycle no issues other than slight herm. This is been receiving daylight sun tho and at shorter hours each day so maybe. Gunna go reax now nough plant stress for today lol

My second post was in general terms, not necessarily including this thread or your grow.
With everything you type, Givi, it looks like you still want to make this harder than it should be. Your just growing plants. HydroRed has it right on the bro science. There's a lot of nonsense in these forums as bad info get spread around. My suggestion? Ocean Forest soil or build your own super soil, and just add water. This will solve most problems. People always want to add more fert to these soils which is a mistake. You don't need to, but you do need to transplant when the time is right to do so.