Is this phosphorus deficiency? Help please.

Hello, the girls are a week old today, they're in scotts hyponex soil, under 2 60 watt l.e.d lights. They were fine this morning around 7 but I came home to twisting leaves, tan spots and a purple tint to a leaf and the new growth on the first one.
Super low budget grow and I don't have access to store bought nutes at the moment so if you know anything that I can substitute that for, I would appreciate it.
Pictures in order: 1 & 2 are Matilda, 3 & 4 are Blue and 5 & 6 are jade (names make it easier to reference specific plants plus they're my babies so why not right? Lol)
 

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Then why is there a purple tint to the new growth (in the middle of the new leaf Hearst the camera, if you zoom in you can see it pretty clearly imo)? Everything I've seen has pointed to phosphorus but I came here to get the opinion of an experienced grower.
 

farmerfischer

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I'm not a experienced grower? Anyway in imo.. they look fine.. the purple could be a pheno thing or a temp change in your grow area.. I'm not seeing a phosphorus issue.. I could be wrong.. I've been growing cannabis for alittle over twenty four years and I'm still learning.. good luck with your grow..
 
@farmerfischer I apologize for assuming, it freaked me out when I came home to it. Very fast change. You think that the twists could be from too much light?
@lokie alright, thank you. I've grown this way once before, normally just look up what foods and such release that certain nute while in soil, then just use that. Used a banana peel for a potassium deficiency, overdosed it but it pulled through and budded perfectly fine.
 

farmerfischer

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Twisted leaves isn't really a big deal.. just watch out for what looks like the claw .. it manifests from a couple reasons.. first maybe from humidity being to high or from over watering,, another cause some say is from over feeding them nitrogen.. your plants leaves look fine.. heat stress can cause leaves edges to fold upward.. again nothing I'm really seeing with your seedlings..
 
@NaturalFarmer @farmerfischer hey, do you guys think this curling is normal for what I'm doing? Small but of research said that my girls were just making sunblock when they turned purple, I like purple plants and have never grown one so I decided to force a pigment change.
I put the lights a few inches away (same lights -.-) for an hour or two each day, light sched is 22-2. To force the pigment change, not often but sometimes I have to leave or somethimg and the lights stay close for a bit longer than I want so keep that in mind. The first two pictures are the same one and the last two are theother two, the second one looks fine to me but she seems to be stretching a bit...damn 60 w leds.... the last one has some sort ofdeficiency, if you zoom in you can see tan lining some veins and some spots. Also, she's keeping up pretty well but the growth is nowhere near as large, same soil and I even put her under her own light since she'sin the middle of the pot. Any ideas?
 

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JohnDee

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They look OK to me. On the purpling...isn't that a flowering thing and especially with colder nights (outdoors) or lowering temps during lights-off in indoor grows.
JD
 
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They look OK to me. On the purpling...isn't that a flowering thing and especially with colder nights (outdoors) or lowering temps during lights-off in indoor grows.
JD
from the research I've done, it says that L.E.D lights that are too close or strong, get the plant to bring out pigment for 'sunscreen'. Apparently purple plants are high in cbd and tend to be indica. Anyway, I'm more concerned about the tan spots on the last one.
 
@NaturalFarmer thank you, I got 150W LED and rigged up a bunch of white paper to reflect all I can to them. IVE GOT A HUGE PROBLEM THOUGH, one of them has a hole in the leave, another looks like (I hope not) webs..... ... There's yellowing on the veins and one has tan spots. I've treated them with epsom water, any advice or diagnosis?
 

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bezalom

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Relax man...just let them grow.
JD
what this guy said....and don't mother em to death!

maybe get some cal-mag and dose for seedlings

they look good...slight leaf ripple/twisting sign of over-water but on a seedling just a watering does that..no worries!
 
You guys are right, I'm sorry, I've just only had one grow so fast and tight and that one turned male. I read something that said a straight 24 hour light sched stressed it out too much. I see something small and start worrying, definitely stopping that because you're right, if I don't I will mother them to death. Thank you guys so much for the support and patience with my noobness. Sorry for the bother too, worried about that this last time I posted. Ill probably post up a picture of flower state/final day before harvest on here just to show how they turned out. Not sure if you guys care, but you helped enough to stop me from killing them by accident. As far as I can tell, this place is nice, I might start studying more so I can start helping out and being a real part of the community. I don't feel right just asking and never participating in the community.
 

JohnDee

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Not to worry Silverstrings 420...
You're not alone. It's a difficult thing balancing the excitement of a new grow with the plants need to just grow. Don't worry if we tease you...just a part of becoming a grower.
JD
 

Chip Green

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In the early stages, the mindset ought to be growing ROOTS, not just the visible structure of the plant. Healthy root development requires the grow media to allow for a proper exchange of gasses. Wet soil (in many cases due to inadequate drainage), is highly antagonistic toward gas exchange.
When we create a situation which will allow for optimal root growth, the plant will thrive.
Seedlings actually need shockingly little water to achieve this.
Got a spare seed? Maybe a bagseed? Germinate it, put it in moist soil, in a solo cup or similar size container, and give IT NOTHING. Nada.
It may befuddle you how long they can go with zero input.
 
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