IV psychedelics
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ndangerspecimen101
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If you can survive the rush of a good methamphetamine, preferably ice, then you can withstand the coursing pulsations surging through your body. 
Although, when IV'ing MDMA you must exhibit the best discretion.
Although, when IV'ing MDMA you must exhibit the best discretion.
MrEDuck
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I have no taste for stims but I can handle some pretty intense rushes.
I haven't seen many reports at all on this topic, and about half seem to find it overwhelming. Sometimes in a come to x time later with a needle in the arm. I guess I'm just curious about how deep one can go.
I haven't seen many reports at all on this topic, and about half seem to find it overwhelming. Sometimes in a come to x time later with a needle in the arm. I guess I'm just curious about how deep one can go.
ndangerspecimen101
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Each person is different. So the variance varies. If that makes any sort of sense! 
I related the rush to stimulates because almost everything psychotropic injected into the body will produce a heighten sense interfering with the autonomic nervous system. There's been studies conducted of people who were intramuscularly and intravenously induced with DMT, with the oversight of a physician. It's best to have a train psychonaut around if you do attempt any injection of any kind with the fore-a-mentioned compounds!
I related the rush to stimulates because almost everything psychotropic injected into the body will produce a heighten sense interfering with the autonomic nervous system. There's been studies conducted of people who were intramuscularly and intravenously induced with DMT, with the oversight of a physician. It's best to have a train psychonaut around if you do attempt any injection of any kind with the fore-a-mentioned compounds!
MrEDuck
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I'm fairly experienced with IV substances. I'm quite confident I can handle the rush. I'm not sure if this will ever go beyond purely intellectual curiosity, but this is one of the few unexplored areas remaining for me.
I wouldn't attempt anything without experienced supervision. Fortunately Mrs Duck and one of my dear friends would both make excellent supervisors.
I've just seen so little as far as experience reports regarding this, it makes the curiosity burn all the hotter.
I wouldn't attempt anything without experienced supervision. Fortunately Mrs Duck and one of my dear friends would both make excellent supervisors.
I've just seen so little as far as experience reports regarding this, it makes the curiosity burn all the hotter.
lowryder666
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Then you need to get it out of your system, or rather in, or both.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I cannot imagine IV DMT being materially different from one stout hit of smoke.
Once, as a personal test, I smoked 60 mg ketamine base, then on a later date IV'd the hydrochloride equivalent to 60 mg base. Pharmacodynamics and 'kinetics were indistinguishable between the two runs. Speed of onset, depth of effect, "flavor" of onset and effect ... all matched. Imo the only reason to IV something is if it can't be smoked. cn
Once, as a personal test, I smoked 60 mg ketamine base, then on a later date IV'd the hydrochloride equivalent to 60 mg base. Pharmacodynamics and 'kinetics were indistinguishable between the two runs. Speed of onset, depth of effect, "flavor" of onset and effect ... all matched. Imo the only reason to IV something is if it can't be smoked. cn
MrEDuck
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Based on the few reports I've seen and the reports in TiHKAL it sounds like IV DMT is a very different animal. I know smoking hits almost as fast as IV, but the difference in bioavailability and onset actually make a big difference. Smoked you want 50mg+ IV threshold is 4mg according to TiHKAL. And IV MDMA is a totally different animal.
ControlledEnviorment
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ya iv dose and a smoked dose are 2 way differnt levels, the subjects that were tested in rick strassmans test were injected with moderate doses of dmt and almost every one of them reported seeing "beings" or alien like creatures . I want to try to iv mdma but i am afraid of what is actually in the cut. can you cook it out like u can with opiates and coke and shit?
timeismoney1
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I have aichmophobia
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
i used to have that fear, than i started using heroin... five bags a day insuffilated quickly takes you back down to one bag a day iv, a big difference in cash needed to get by daily.
MrEDuck
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That is very true as well. I never snorted heroin though (ok maybe once or twice, but that hardly counts).
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have smoked heroin ... never more than eleven milligrams at a whack however. it is one of the softest sweetest smokes I've had.
Mr. EDuck ... I have never IVed the psychedelics, so the info about differential potency was new to me. Makes sense, considering the fierce first-pass attrition. cn
Mr. EDuck ... I have never IVed the psychedelics, so the info about differential potency was new to me. Makes sense, considering the fierce first-pass attrition. cn
ndangerspecimen101
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I think we should induct the SWIM pseudonym into our vocabulary. 
Sure. Cleaning up MDMA is the smartest thing to do before finding a proper injection site!
Sure. Cleaning up MDMA is the smartest thing to do before finding a proper injection site!
MrEDuck
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I dislike SWIM personally.
CN, it's not exactly a common practice so ignorance is not only forgivable, but perfectly understandable as well. It's not just the difference in bioavailability and onset times that make a difference, there's actual differences in the nature of the experience. At least in the case of MDMA. DMT sounds like it's also somewhat different, but not like MDMA.
CN, it's not exactly a common practice so ignorance is not only forgivable, but perfectly understandable as well. It's not just the difference in bioavailability and onset times that make a difference, there's actual differences in the nature of the experience. At least in the case of MDMA. DMT sounds like it's also somewhat different, but not like MDMA.
ndangerspecimen101
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SWIM was enacted by the Rhodium and Hive websites. Self defamation of character is there main concern. However, I find it oddly rudimentary too!
IV'ed MDMA would be rapidly converted to MDA. The experience would be highly psychedelic before displaying empathogenic effects. There's a closely related analog of MDMA known as MMDA that displayed peculiar yet interesting effects known as "Brain Movies!"
IV'ed MDMA would be rapidly converted to MDA. The experience would be highly psychedelic before displaying empathogenic effects. There's a closely related analog of MDMA known as MMDA that displayed peculiar yet interesting effects known as "Brain Movies!"
MrEDuck
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How would IV MDMA get rapidly converted to MDA? IV bypasses all the body's filters, and breaking amine bonds ain't exactly easy.SWIM was enacted by the Rhodium and Hive websites. Self defamation of character is there main concern. However, I find it oddly rudimentary too!
IV'ed MDMA would be rapidly converted to MDA. The experience would be highly psychedelic before displaying empathogenic effects. There's a closely related analog of MDMA known as MMDA that displayed peculiar yet interesting effects known as "Brain Movies!"
MMDA is a nifty little fellow. I've only had it twice. 5-MethylMDA is pretty cool as well. Again I've only sampled it a handful of times.
I know the origins of SWIM and I have tremendous respect for Rh and learned a great deal from him. But that doesn't mean SWIM is a good thing. It's annoying and does nothing to protect you. Even great geniuses can have bad ideas.
ndangerspecimen101
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SWIM was surely thought up in a drunken self realization frenzy!
You had the rare chance to sample MMDA? You're quite a legend in my book.
Ha. 5-Methyl-MDA is kind of a folk legend in my circle. A lot of speculation as to which vendor had the properly assessed product.
You seem to have been in the psychedelic circle for some time now. I'm glad you migrated to RIU!
You had the rare chance to sample MMDA? You're quite a legend in my book.
Ha. 5-Methyl-MDA is kind of a folk legend in my circle. A lot of speculation as to which vendor had the properly assessed product.
You seem to have been in the psychedelic circle for some time now. I'm glad you migrated to RIU!
timeismoney1
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5mmda was bunk as shit. I remember them days