Jilly-Bean Strain Problems

Background:
Popped 5 Jilly Bean seeds. 2 males, killed 'em. 3 females. Cloned all 3, then started sending them through to flower. One of the girls grew with the internodes real far apart. Brought her through nicely and she produced fine smoke but didn't keep her. One of the girls flowered nicely and fairly compact but with still more stretch than I liked, especially compared to the third female who grew tight together.
Kept this third female, and fed the plants the same as the other two (which went through without a hitch), but now this one that I kept that grew tight together, she is giving me a lot of trouble. Severe deficiency at about day 35, and don't want to misdiagnose.
ATTENTION: I HAVE SEEN THE NUTRIENT DEFICIENCY CHARTS AND TABLES (EVEN HAVE THEM DOWNLOADED AND PRINTED FOR QUICK REFERENCE), AND HAVE TRIED TO DIAGNOSE THIS PROBLEM MYSELF, HOWEVER, I AM NOT CONFIDENT IN MY ABILITY TO MAKE THE CORRECT DIAGNOSIS, WHICH IS WHY I AM TAKING THIS QUESTION TO THE FORUM.

Here are some pics attached. It's showing in the new leaves, so an immobile nutrient??

Also, I am feeding with ROOTS ORGANIC NUTRIENT LINE. I do not think it is over fertilization because I keep my EC low for this strain, building up from about 1.8 at the start of flower and at about 1.9-2.0 by the time I hit into the 30s (days). Also, the other two girls (clones and mothers) that I brought through to completion had the exact same feeding schedule and they never showed any of these problems.



Any help is appreciated. Much thanks in advance.

could you have given them a feeding at a p.h that was way off?

Hard to tell under HPS light but I go along with chuck, PH?

Ph is my guess too ive just seen someone with this. this is after it was fixed but in this instance the ph was way out of wack

I think you severely nute burnt them trying to fix the def which was caused by incorrect ph.

I will check about pH with 7.0 and runoff... been putting it up to 6.3-6.5 for feeding but maybe my pH meter is off...
thinkin I'ma chalk these ones up as a loss for yield so will have to be more careful on the next go around

Much thanks for the input

I had similar problems with my kush i grew outdoor last year, I felt I tried everything, still not 100 percent sure what it was, but I feel it was LOCKOUT since I grew more than one of the same plant, and on this one plant leaves where cupping then burning. Like I said not sure what it was but it came up halfway during flowering and got worse, I just thought it was lockout.

bseabuds said:

I will check about pH with 7.0 and runoff... been putting it up to 6.3-6.5 for feeding but maybe my pH meter is off...
thinkin I'ma chalk these ones up as a loss for yield so will have to be more careful on the next go around

Much thanks for the input

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Run to the shop and pick up some 7.0 calibration solution while you're out if you are really in doubt as to the meter being off. At our local shop, the 7.0 calibration solution here runs $1.35 for a 1-time.. 1.35 definitely beats plants spiraling out of control. After calibration/check vs 7.0... re-check the pH and make sure that you're within a decent pH range as mentioned above.. I would suspect lockout, and multi-def.. pointing to at least P and 2 trace at a quick glance - given what I can tell with the lights being on.

*BUDS said:

I think you severely nute burnt them trying to fix the def which was caused by incorrect ph.

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Where are you seeing nute burn? I'm seeing chlorosis on a progressive scale as a bare minimum w/leaf margins and midveins suffering slightly on what was clear enough with the light on for me to make any educated guess whatsoever.

I agree with Figong... that is a pH issue-- YES, could be caused by a pH lock-out...but definately a deficiency...

IMO- Flush the plants, and at the end of flush, add your pH adjusted nute solution.
That SHOULD take care of it.. and a little extra P-K wouldn't hurt!

That plants been overfed ,the small leaves are toast.Id flush and come back at them with no more than half strength.I ran 8 of subs strains and all were nice just not for me

LadyZandra said:

I agree with Figong... that is a pH issue-- YES, could be caused by a pH lock-out...but definately a deficiency...

IMO- Flush the plants, and at the end of flush, add your pH adjusted nute solution.
That SHOULD take care of it.. and a little extra P-K wouldn't hurt!

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Did you happen to see a severe tox in the pics that I might have missed due to lighting that'd point to flush being a sane option? Not arguing, just curious.

Checked my pH meter as suggested w/ 7.0 and 4.0 and it reads true. Did a runoff test on two of my girls that are of the same genetics but earlier in flower (26 days). pH in was 7.0, came out 6.8 and 6.9 in early runoff. These two are not showing any signs of def. yet, but I suspect I will run into trouble in the next ten or so days.

As for the other girls, I plan on flushing, and then feeding. This is strange to me. Never had this problem before and the fact that I didn't have it with the other JB plants makes me wonder...