Judge acquits Baltimore police lieutenant in Freddie Gray death

MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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Fogdog said:
The medical examiner's finding was that there was a homicide. This is a fact. As opposed to truthy stuff that you go on about.

Agree that there wasn't evidence to convict any of the police officers for the homicide. Gee, the police investigation of itself didn't find any evidence. Wow, that's a compelling argument. So your truthy scenario is that Gray committed suicide. The fact is the examiner called it homicide. Somebody killed Gray. That's the finding of the medical examiner. That is the fact.



As far as corruption goes, this is the best list that you can come up with:



The word "corruption" has meaning. Your list of delusional musings is just that and has no meaning. Again, what you say is some sort of truthy argument about corruption when you don't really know anything.

How did you do with that worksheet? Did it help you to distinguish the difference between a fact and an opinion?
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Doubling down on your medical examiner angle, won't make it any more relevant, sorry. It's a fact the examiner chose to put down homicide, it's not a fact that it was correct.

Corruption does have meaning and it's "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power". Based on the new leaked evidence and this c**t's press conferences before, during and after the trials, it's more than appropriately applied. You're not very bright, are you? Dim bulb comes to mind.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Fogdog said:
Dave, were you the first in your family to be born without a tail? I mean, you have all the words or at least the shorter ones at your disposal but speech eludes you.
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Fortunately,
I only have to depend on YOUR words to determine you are a loser.
Here I also have the advantage of a judge and jury. You wish to hang your pointy hat on a coroners report which was backpeddled by others in court. Homocide NOT being the only possibility. For that matter, the homicide concept barely made it to court as the cases were more about not putting a seatbelt on the prisoner. Anything else, Loser?
 
bravedave

bravedave

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bearkat42 said:
I must have missed that. Please show me where you got this info.
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The ME herself was said to have referred to it as an accident and the prosecution suppressed that info. Do you not think the defense did not have experts lined up to help define/speculate how the injuries happened? Regardless, they were not needed because of Mosby and Co. breaking the rules/law. It is certainly possible Gray was taken on a rough ride, but it is just as possible he fucked himself up. Mosby cast too big of a net, while trying to make it about race and her zealousness proved to be her undoing. One manslaughter case against the driver might have flown...farther.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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bravedave said:
Fortunately,
I only have to depend on YOUR words to determine you are a loser.
Here I also have the advantage of a judge and jury. You wish to hang your pointy hat on a coroners report which was backpeddled by others in court. Homocide NOT being the only possibility. For that matter, the homicide concept barely made it to court as the cases were more about not putting a seatbelt on the prisoner. Anything else, Loser?
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You speak the obvious. The trial ended with the jury finding there wasn't enough evidence to prove the officers killed Gray. Nobody disputes there was a verdict.

Somebody killed Gray, that's the finding of the medical examiner. I'm not hanging my hat on anything, I'm just stating the obvious, just like you.

After that, well, it's perfectly reasonable to ask who killed him. I mean he was in police custody the whole time. An inconvenient fact. Another inconvenient fact is that the police investigated themselves.

So, three facts are present: Somebody killed Gray, this was not declared a suicide. Gray was in the Baltimore police department's custody the whole time. The Baltimore police department investigated the crime. You can dispute my conclusion that the killer was a Baltimore police officer but you can't dispute the facts. If the Baltimore Police Officer did not kill Gray, then who did?
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Fogdog said:
You speak the obvious. The trial ended with the jury finding there wasn't enough evidence to prove the officers killed Gray. Nobody disputes there was a verdict.

Somebody killed Gray, that's the finding of the medical examiner. I'm not hanging my hat on anything, I'm just stating the obvious, just like you.

After that, well, it's perfectly reasonable to ask who killed him. I mean he was in police custody the whole time. An inconvenient fact. Another inconvenient fact is that the police investigated themselves.

So, three facts are present: Somebody killed Gray, this was not declared a suicide. Gray was in the Baltimore police department's custody the whole time. The Baltimore police department investigated the crime. You can dispute my conclusion that the killer was a Baltimore police officer but you can't dispute the facts. If the Baltimore Police Officer did not kill Gray, then who did?
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Gray or as the ME purportedly said originally a "freakish accident". Although the one witness ultimately denied Freddie caused his injuries he never recanted hearing a sound like Freddie was banging his head. One mistimed bang, coupled with a ragged turn of the van...
Whats obvious it is sad but there is not enough evidence to convict anyone. Tough hop. Maybe a reasoned approach as opposed to the histrionics of the left looking to vilify cops would work better
 
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bravedave

bravedave

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Is it possible that Mosby chose to cast such a wide net soas to include some whitefish because she knew that if she just went after the most culpable (Goodson) she could not work in the race angle (the driver being black)...forfeiting a probable phone call of support from the Whitehouse?
 
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