Leaf issues

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

Hello. First post, baby grower here tryna to fix my mistakes.
Seeds popped on Jan01and02, been growing fine until two days ago I noticed one of the plants lower leaves are lightening and looking weird. I have only fed them one time (Jan15th, fox farm big bloom, 1Tbsp in a gal distilled H2O [about quarter strength I think?]) and then flushed two days later cuz I made myself too nervous by giving nutes that early (I’ve heard it can be done quite successfully but newbie grower and don’t want to waste seeds). Temp has remained 71-76 and humidity has been hard to keep high but steady around 30-50%. I don’t have a pH meter yet but it’s coming. I have been watering with distilled water only because my tap is too alkaline and as far as I know it hasn’t given en me problems. Unless my issue here is pH haha.... I’ve only watered them four or five times because the cups keep hydrated for a long while.

kingromano · Jan 21, 2021

let the pots become light before watering
and feed them, veg nutrients

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

kingromano said:
let the pots become light before watering
and feed them, veg nutrients

If you mean in color, I can’t. The soil I’m using is just as dark when dry, but it dries to the touch so will that work?
Fox farm claims that big bloom is for all stages of life, (Tiger bloom is the purely flowering nute), I guess I should have used grow big (veg nute) instead of big bloom? I was afraid that as seedlings it would be too much nitrogen but my newbie is showing ‍♀
I will let them completely dry and only use veg nutes or now! You think 1/4-1/2 strength would be good or full?
Thank you!!

dbz · Jan 21, 2021

thegreywind said:
If you mean in color, I can’t. The soil I’m using is just as dark when dry, but it dries to the touch so will that work?
Fox farm claims that big bloom is for all stages of life, (Tiger bloom is the purely flowering nute), I guess I should have used grow big (veg nute) instead of big bloom? I was afraid that as seedlings it would be too much nitrogen but my newbie is showing ‍♀
I will let them completely dry and only use veg nutes or now! You think 1/4-1/2 strength would be good or full?
Thank you!!

What soil are you in? It doesn't look like it has much aeration. At that size prolly around 4 oz per watering every 2 to 3 days

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

dbz said:
What soil are you in? It doesn't look like it has much aeration. At that size prolly around 4 oz per watering every 2 to 3 days

Well honestly.. I don’t know the amounts of what for these cups. I know it’s not ideal but I often reuse old seedling mixes I’ve made as long as I haven’t had pest or disease issues. It’s a mix of potting soil with large pieces removed, jiffy starter mix, compost from a horticulture place and dirt from outside. Do you think that’s part of my problem? I just need to start with fresh medium every seed?
I agree it doesn’t look super aerated, I hadn’t considered that yikes! I am planning on transplanting to final home (10 gal fabric pots) this sat as they have been in cups for three weeks. What soil should I get?
Thank you!!

hotrodharley · Jan 21, 2021

thegreywind said:
Well honestly.. I don’t know the amounts of what for these cups. I know it’s not ideal but I often reuse old seedling mixes I’ve made as long as I haven’t had pest or disease issues. It’s a mix of potting soil with large pieces removed, jiffy starter mix, compost from a horticulture place and dirt from outside. Do you think that’s part of my problem? I just need to start with fresh medium every seed?
I agree it doesn’t look super aerated, I hadn’t considered that yikes! I am planning on transplanting to final home (10 gal fabric pots) this sat as they have been in cups for three weeks. What soil should I get?
Thank you!!

Do you have adequate drainage in the cups? Appears overwatered. Do not put into those big ass containers. You’ll be waiting forever for them to start growing while you overwater them. Use graduated containers and transplant often.

hotrodharley · Jan 21, 2021

Do not go with coco. Forget the word. Sunshine 4, Pro Mix HP or at least Fox Farms overpriced hot crap.

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

hotrodharley said:
Do you have adequate drainage in the cups? Appears overwatered. Do not put into those big ass containers. You’ll be waiting forever for them to start growing while you overwater them. Use graduated containers and transplant often.

Haha, unfortunately I only have that size. It’s alright though, I don’t mind waiting on veg. Would you suggest putting two plants to one 10gal? Would keeping each other company help with the pot being oversized or is that a bad plan?
There are four drainage holes in the bottom of each cup, granted they aren’t very large so you may be exactly correct. I’ll chuck those cups after these ladies are transplanted, I have others with larger drainage holes!
Thanks!

hotrodharley said:
Do not go with coco. Forget the word. Sunshine 4, Pro Mix HP or at least Fox Farms overpriced hot crap.

Heard! I have heard great things about promix so I will go with that!

Budzbuddha · Jan 21, 2021

Quote “ It’s a mix of potting soil with large pieces removed, jiffy starter mix, compost from a horticulture place and dirt from outside. “

That’s your issue - mish mash of soil. Just use a common bagged mix - happy frog / ffof or whatever.

Overthinking the plant. Distilled water is the other issue. Distilled should be left to steam irons and baby bottles. FFOF for example is ph buffered out of the bag and will run on tap. You water the grass and plants outside with it ... right ?

It is just “ better” to match the water ph to host medium or at least close to it to allow proper uptake availability. Big bloom is the only organic of the trio and really isn’t necessary but ok to use as is mild . Leaf is nitrogen def. ( starts at bottom) which points to either your use of distilled and unbalanced soil. Totally correctable- by way of tranplanting into new medium.

A good bagged mix can feed that plant alone for weeks WITHOUT much effort just water.

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

Budzbuddha said:
Quote “ It’s a mix of potting soil with large pieces removed, jiffy starter mix, compost from a horticulture place and dirt from outside. “

That’s your issue - mish mash of soil. Just use a common bagged mix - happy frog / ffof or whatever.

Overthinking the plant. Distilled water is the other issue. Distilled should be left to steam irons and baby bottles. FFOF for example is ph buffered out of the bag and will run on tap. You water the grass and plants outside with it ... right ?

It is just “ better” to match the water ph to host medium or at least close to it to allow proper uptake availability. Big bloom is the only organic of the trio and really isn’t necessary but ok to use as is mild . Leaf is nitrogen def. ( starts at bottom) which points to either your use of distilled and unbalanced soil. Totally correctable- by way of tranplanting into new medium.

A good bagged mix can feed that plant alone for weeks WITHOUT much effort just water.

I am definitely an over thinker! I will try to curb myself
Dang I thought I was doing good on distilled water haha! Okay thank you!

dbz · Jan 21, 2021

thegreywind said:
Well honestly.. I don’t know the amounts of what for these cups. I know it’s not ideal but I often reuse old seedling mixes I’ve made as long as I haven’t had pest or disease issues. It’s a mix of potting soil with large pieces removed, jiffy starter mix, compost from a horticulture place and dirt from outside. Do you think that’s part of my problem? I just need to start with fresh medium every seed?
I agree it doesn’t look super aerated, I hadn’t considered that yikes! I am planning on transplanting to final home (10 gal fabric pots) this sat as they have been in cups for three weeks. What soil should I get?
Thank you!!

Yeah if you mix it up you don't really know what you are working with. Although I would say your biggest problem is probably aeration at thia young. Roots crave oxygen. If you have a dense mix like that and you water then the water isn't displaced by any aeration and drainage so the roots suffocate.

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

dbz said:
Yeah if you mix it up you don't really know what you are working with. Although I would say your biggest problem is probably aeration at thia young. Roots crave oxygen. If you have a dense mix like that and you water then the water isn't displaced by any aeration and drainage so the roots suffocate.

Okay awesome, thank you for your input! I will def start using an actual seedling starter mix to pop my future beans and watch closely for overwatering!

kingromano · Jan 21, 2021

plants show symptoms of overwatering, because you're probably watering too often
or you have a bad drainage under your pots
be sure the pots never sit in water after watering

also your plant ask for nutrients
give it some liquid fertilizer

hotrodharley · Jan 21, 2021

thegreywind said:
I am definitely an over thinker! I will try to curb myself
Dang I thought I was doing good on distilled water haha! Okay thank you!

KISS. Keep it simple and get bud.

thegreywind · Jan 21, 2021

kingromano said:
plants show symptoms of overwatering, because you're probably watering too often
or you have a bad drainage under your pots
be sure the pots never sit in water after watering

also your plant ask for nutrients
give it some liquid fertilizer

Okay will do! Thanks!

hotrodharley said:
KISS. Keep it simple and get bud.

Haha I love that! Thanks!

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