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May11th

May11th

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What would you guys recommend. I cant go crazy on watts. Right now im running 1 1000 watt magnetic ballast and I 600 watt digital, im looking for the best end product and I just think led is where I need to look. Thanks guys m I was thinking 10 or so 160w leds like a ufo,
 
May11th

May11th

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Money isnt a issue. Just looking to buy good equipment. Thanks for the info do far guys
 
hyroot

hyroot

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In that case go for the area 51 190 watt all white led panels. Check their site. Cree x-te led's in those a51 all white panels. Imo that's the best line of cree's.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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I like what people have suggested so far. Don't forget apache at600's. Straight up swaps for 1000w hps.

Are you trying to just replace your current lights...or blow up that whole space???

To perform truly as well 1000 hps would over 120sqft of canopy, it's going to take
- 7 at600's(4x4 coverage)
- 10 indagro(3x4 coverage)
- 20 a51 XGS(2x3 coverage)

Those coverages are what they perform as well as 1000w within. Each light could cover more but those are what should/will create equivalent 1000hps intensity over the area.
 
May11th

May11th

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Looks like I need a good harvest lol. I need to stay around 1800 watts so I dont piss of the gf, I just looked at them indagrows, pricey but I bet they kick ass, would everything you guys listed have good penetration, I can say the 1000 watt can penetrate a canopy well, I wouldnt mind trying all them out before I buy a bunch so maybe ill start w 2 or so a51s then a cmh in my magnetic 1000w ballast. There is so much yo chose from and I just want to find whats a kickass combo, im pretty happy w my results w hps and mh , I run a 4500k hps and a 2700k hps in flower and get big tight buds. But id like to get better results somehow.

Right now im using about a 10x6 area w the 1600 watts of hid. Im messing around w soil so sorry plants dont look top notch, im pretty new too so im still on the 8ball. Thanks guys. Hope we can all learn and help ppl w this thread. I appreciate the knowledge.

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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Don't forget about maybe a light mover too......double your coverage and keep your wattage down....idk about that 10 indagro's in your space post sounds like inexperience. I grow with them 10 would be way overkill for that space that's nuts.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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twostrokenut said:
Don't forget about maybe a light mover too......double your coverage and keep your wattage down....idk about that 10 indagro's in your space post sounds like inexperience. I grow with them 10 would be way overkill for that space that's nuts.
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I guess I was taken more seriously as tags...I have grow with induction, led's, 600hps 1000hps(standard and dual arc), with movers...in warehouses, bedrooms, sheds, tents, garages, you name it.
10 inductions was based on blowing up the whole 120sqft of canopy. Sound's gnarly, but that is what it would take to pull what 1000w'ers would in that same space. I have an indagro...and it is great...but 2g+/w isn't there. It's about a (3)inductions=(2)1000w's. That is about a 3x4 coverage...which right on from my experience. They are as good and better than 600 hps plus there are thermal advantages, but they are not a 1 for 1 switch with 1000w for both coverage and intensity.
But 11th is not actually trying to blow the whole thing up...just replace what he has.

When ran in numbers inductions can gain more from crossover light than led's do, but still need the amount of light.

Light movers are great but they won't double yields or coverage. They will improve them by maximizing light within a space and expand it slightly. Creating an equal coverage over the space is what makes the difference. But once it moves too far there is a loss and the yield will just be dispersed over larger area(opposite of what most want). 12" each way is about the most to move a light. The amount of light is fixed and thus the yield is too. If the source/setup is wasteful(like 1000w) then there are some advantages, but not doubling coverage and yield.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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never said double your yield with light movers.....mine are not being used right now btw indagros were static for that grow.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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twostrokenut said:
hey tags420 right? whats up with the new name? 2g+ per w who grows 4lbs per 1000w hps? I'd like a link to that one.........I am shooting for 1g/w next round and pretty sure I will surpass it.
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Amazing what rep actually does for someone in this place...at least I have "a spectacular aura".

Your misunderstanding me a little. Pulling 1g/w isn't the equaling point. The overall yield weight is.
A 1000w only needs to do .9g/w and it pulls 2 lbs. I have a buddy who pulls 2.5 per like clockwork so if we really want to talk absolute possible then it's even harder to keep up. An there are vertical guys who get over 2g/w easily...but hold that thought.

An induction needs to pulls over 2g/w to meet the 2lbs/4x4 yield....1.95g/w if your rocking a pontoon(I am).

But if you run the correct number of lights you can out perform the hps and save power...it's just not a 1 for 1 switch.
I am not knocking inductions...just making sure someone get's what they need so they won't be disappointed.

Still holding that thought?...Vertical guys who rock wattage like it's going out of style are getting 2+g/w and running way less plants to do it. But good news for induction lovers...Indagro is releasing a vertical style 420. It's really sweet looking. I still think it will not be a 1 for 1 swap for 1000w. But I do think it will expand the yield possibilities of the induction. As well as give an engery efficient option for an area/style of growing that needs the help saving power.

EDIT:
Even with hps quality and performance between equipment matter. The hps guys pulling massive record like yields are not using ipowers ballast form ebay, $15 bulbs, and cool tubes. They are using gavita or a top notch digital ballast, hortilux super hps, and raptors or xxl...if any hood at all. But even the cheap hps can crank out a big yield that led's or induction's have to perform at it's best to keep up.
Bare bulb is the way go if you can...cool the room not the lights...no choice with led's or induction.

Here is a couple massive grows
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/uc-pros-dream-house-8-site-20kw.58476/
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/60-x-1000-watts-under-current-hydro-20-tons-of-ac-and-some-co2.19366/page-19
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Not sure why you are stuck on the 1 to 1 swap thing honestly don't recall it in the discussion...thought this was all about coverage per watt 11th is currently at 1600 with 2 lights said he might push it to 1800........if the g/w isn't the equaling factor why did you bring it up? I'd say genetics is the great equalizer but that's me........I doubt 2g+/w is happening with the LED's you listed either but lets face it this is going to be a flat grow.....please mail me your pontoon so I can do a side by side lol.

I agree about the coverage......indagro claims 5x5 that's extremely optimistic.....I have good results in a 4x4.....the best growers I know aren't even pulling 1g/w with thouies even at 2lbs per light......and I was holding the though of course isn't that what a good muse accomplishes?

You brought up g/w stating the indagro wont do 2+......for what reason I have yet to hear....now your buddy pulls 2.5lbs per thouie....thats great I have a friend like that also.....I just pulled 1g/w on the indagrows NOT EVEN TRYING....just sorting through my gear prospecting keepers flowering haggared mothers that were cut waaay too much and had a low pH issue.

Only LED's Ive used are the Haights I veg with, never flowered with them.

Good on ya for all the growing expierence under stairs and such true "bubba" fashion props.

Congrats on your new name as well tags or did I bring that up as well?
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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The thread is 15'x8'...hence why I listed the top quality products and how many of each it would take to cover the whole canopy area(120sqft...15'x8')...and in the same post I asked if he was looking to do the whole stated area(15'x8')...since no one actually knew before I asked, I went based on the title.

I don't care what lighting tech it is...it will take 600w of the best out there to replace a 1000hps in yield/space is my whole point.
Notice the different numbers next to each light...only the at600 is a one for one...all the rest require more and I showed that. So I was never expecting anything to do 2g/w...but if the goal is to replace 1000w then 2lbs should be the top performance mark to meet. And to pull those numbers there a intensity and coverage requirement to meet...and the light numbers I listed will meet those requirements for the given space.

Greengenes707 said:
I like what people have suggested so far. Don't forget apache at600's. Straight up swaps for 1000w hps.

Are you trying to just replace your current lights...or blow up that whole space???

To perform truly as well 1000 hps would over 120sqft of canopy, it's going to take
- 7 at600's(4x4 coverage)
- 10 indagro(3x4 coverage)
- 20 a51 XGS(2x3 coverage)

Those coverages are what they perform as well as 1000w within. Each light could cover more but those are what should/will create equivalent 1000hps intensity over the area.
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The only reason these quantity numbers are off, is because he is only trying to replace 2 lights, instead of setting up a the whole 15x8 room.
So yes my original recommendation amounts were over his wattage threshold...but not the spaces threshold.

May11 answer my question by telling the real dimension/goal of replacement...and then once that was revealed(after I posted), you say I was "inexperienced" for saying what it would take to fill the originally implied space. And that is why I am a little hot abut this.

You also edited you original post after you realized I was tags and it originally said you did not pulled 1lb...it said you could have pulled it if all were as good as your two keepers.
Considering I said it was a 1.5IG's=1hps to get those original suggestion numbers, I can't see how how your arguing isn't saying it was a 1 for 1....are you trying to say it is only a 1.25IG's=1hps...1.5IG's=1hps is the same as 600w to replace a 1000hps...which I have been saying the whole time if you just did the math.

So now that I have vented...
May11 sorry to get so off track.
You can get away with about 70% of your hps lighting wattage and get the same results. So if you are willing to push it to 1800w, then about 1200w of top tech lighting will do

2 at600's
3 indagro
6 a51 xgs
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Never said it was 1 for 1......regardless of your multiple personalities I edited my post to simplify it....my two "keepers" were already keepers I referred to them as my "go to" as they are the ones I use as the control because I know what to expect from that strain....having grown it outdoors and under HID.....I know I will do 2+ lbs with 840 watts next run if all goes well based on those 2 control plants.

The "inexperience" was directed towards 10 big indagros in a 15x8 area which would be overkill....regardless of what you change your name to next time.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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twostrokenut said:
Never said it was 1 for 1......regardless of your multiple personalities I edited my post to simplify it....my two "keepers" were already keepers I referred to them as my "go to" as they are the ones I use as the control because I know what to expect from that strain....having grown it outdoors and under HID.....I know I will do 2+ lbs with 840 watts next run if all goes well based on those 2 control plants.

The "inexperience" was directed towards 10 big indagros in a 15'x8' area which would be overkill....regardless of what you change your name to next time.
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I told everyone in my thread that I switched names and was not ever going back to tags so get over it. I'm not the first person to change a screen name. And I'm open about my experiences and anything I have posted.

You have not actually answered May11's question yet anywhere. I at least gave my opinion and answered it again once I understood the question better. Nor have you made a counter suggestion to the 15'x8' concept I said originally thought. Just that I was "inexperienced" and next time you'll do better.

I was excited to see someone wanting to set up a big scale room...so just for giggles...if he was going to have a 15'x8' canopy, how many IG's would you run in there?
I say 8-10.

I have no doubt 2 IG's(840w) can equal a 1000w in yield...but you need them to do it in the same size space as the 1000w to be an equal comparison. Which I believe they can do in a 4x4(and sounds like what your plan is?). But then you are planning on running more lights than I recommended per the area. So if that is your's plan/recommendation, and since you said I was overkilling it, I see a problem in your argument.
 
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augusto1

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How many 1000 watts would be necessary for a 20'x20' (400 sqf) ?


And also if more than the necessary lights are run was would be the problem ?


Thanks in advance.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Greengenes707 said:
I told everyone in my thread that I switched names and was not ever going back to tags so get over it. I'm not the first person to change a screen name. And I'm open about my experiences and anything I have posted.

You have not actually answered May11's question yet anywhere. I at least gave my opinion and answered it again once I understood the question better. Nor have you made a counter suggestion to the 15'x8' concept I said originally thought. Just that I was "inexperienced" and next time you'll do better.

I was excited to see someone wanting to set up a big scale room...so just for giggles...if he was going to have a 15'x8' canopy, how many IG's would you run in there?
I say 8-10.

I have no doubt 2 IG's(840w) can equal a 1000w in yield...but you need them to do it in the same size space as the 1000w to be an equal comparison. Which I believe they can do in a 4x4(and sounds like what your plan is?). But then you are planning on running more lights than I recommended per the area. So if that is your's plan/recommendation, and since you said I was overkilling it, I see a problem in your argument.
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Ya see I just suggested indagro's for him and he said thanks shortly thereafter ........so I did answer the best I know how.....as for your thread about your name change.....I don't follow you on Twitter either bro get over it....happy holidays.
 
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