Legalize it 2012!

So basically there's that badass dude who hails from New Mexico named Gary Johnson? heard of him? seen him on the Colbert Report? He's looking to run for prez 2012 as a republican/libertarian with one mission: legalize it!
frankly political party doesn't make a difference to me, even though I'm technically registered as a demo. lets face it, both parties make ALOT of shitty choices, and a minuted number of good ones. IMO Johnson would make a great candidate, and I'm sure the RIU community could see why
what do y'all cheba-chasers think?

bad idea imo, if this goes past med cards everyone will want a cut. states are already setting up tax and licensing structures. some want background checks and fingerprints to be part of it. they see a big fee income heading there way with licensing and taxes so there getting into position to get on the gravy train. if it goes legal everybody and there brother will grow pot and I feel sorry for the med people not working and selling a few lbs to make ends meet. there have been articles on the drug lords funneling money up to stop it cause it will kill there business. "not that I want them to have business with there garbage weed." if you want a pot shop next to every mcdonalds then vote for being legal, if you want to make a buck and have some meds for your trouble then I dont think being totally legal is a good idea.

I see where you're coming from, but think about it: people who grow bud for a living now would have their spots secured in the industry! I mean farmers could take it to a whole new level, and grow on a scale like that of small wheat farm! IMO weed shops would not be THAT common as a result of regulation deterring alot of folk, resulting in chain stores, supplied by hundreds of growers, making a living like any other farmer in the country. I don't think it'd kill the little guy, but rather give him [or her] a better paying job, doing what they love

i just think if, "lets call it going legal or even then commercial," how are you gonna compete with me, my family does 6500 acres of dry land wheat every year. I'm doing hay. we would only need a few more wells for water. sell the combines and re-invest that back into the grow and under cut the small guy. they couldn't compete. My friends that do small grows would die. I really dont think they could compete. our big grain and feed places would gear up for that big time and we just put it on the farm account. the states would love to get a piece of that pie. once people get a foot in that large scale door, there wont be any stopping them. i think this whole thing needs to be kept low key. the only people who want this totally legal is peeps who dont grow cause the would be getting premo weed for 70's prices, 20 and 25 an oz. possibly. weed would hit the stock market like a commodity and selling long and short on futures. how about states with crappy weather for growing, well there toast.

not to sound wishy washy, I would love for it to go big time legal, but I have to many friends that are trying to get by on it, I care about some of those guys and I think their lives would go down the drain.

hook me up with seeds and ferts lol

Optic1 said:

i just think if, "lets call it going legal or even then commercial," how are you gonna compete with me, my family does 6500 acres of dry land wheat every year. I'm doing hay. we would only need a few more wells for water. sell the combines and re-invest that back into the grow and under cut the small guy. they couldn't compete. My friends that do small grows would die. I really dont think they could compete. our big grain and feed places would gear up for that big time and we just put it on the farm account. the states would love to get a piece of that pie. once people get a foot in that large scale door, there wont be any stopping them. i think this whole thing needs to be kept low key. the only people who want this totally legal is peeps who dont grow cause the would be getting premo weed for 70's prices, 20 and 25 an oz. possibly. weed would hit the stock market like a commodity and selling long and short on futures. how about states with crappy weather for growing, well there toast.

not to sound wishy washy, I would love for it to go big time legal, but I have to many friends that are trying to get by on it, I care about some of those guys and I think their lives would go down the drain.

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So you dont want the plant set free for all adults to use, because you care about making a buck? Its like a fucking cartel the way its being run now, keeping the prices high through its "partial legality". Its a bullshit situation and its dicks like you that are the enemy, not the friend of the plant.

EDIT: And you seem to think every person would start growing, 90% of smokers just buy and have NO interest in growing and good weed will always cost whatever the seller is selling it for. Noone is gonna set up to mass produce AND lower the value of the product they just setup to mass produce, especially if they can set the price themself.

No.........Ridiculous. Nonsense. Get over it.

Friend of the plant, lmao. I sing and read to mine everyday. I even showed them a porno on easter. i would love it for all adults to smoke legally, i'll set up dickheads pot palace and bubble hash emporium. you pay double though for not realizing those 90% who dont grow will turn into 50% and we will all be crying in our bongs because we didnt buy stock in solo cups and miracle grow. cant wait to smoke that shit. free piss for nutes. the gov will tax and license the shit out of it and it will be like gas prices. they have companies making synthetic pot and thc right now under their patent. states are getting in position to make a buck. do I want to make a buck? hell yea i live in america. that plant will be my friend all day. and when it goes legal you can stop by and polish the chrome on my combine.

Harrekin said:

So you dont want the plant set free for all adults to use, because you care about making a buck? Its like a fucking cartel the way its being run now, keeping the prices high through its "partial legality". Its a bullshit situation and its dicks like you that are the enemy, not the friend of the plant.

EDIT: And you seem to think every person would start growing, 90% of smokers just buy and have NO interest in growing and good weed will always cost whatever the seller is selling it for. Noone is gonna set up to mass produce AND lower the value of the product they just setup to mass produce, especially if they can set the price themself.

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No, what you were actually saying was your friends grow under the MMJ programme to make cash and you wouldnt want to see them put out of business so dont backtrack. Weed wouldnt have anything attached to it if it was legal and you grew it for yourself...so again, its back to money.

The whole idea of a MMJ programme itself is bullshit, if it was legal patients would have all the access to it they need. Look towards the Netherlands for an example of how a MMJ programme failed because of the coffeeshop system...and its not even legal there, just "tolerated" up to 5g's.

But essentially, weed needs to be catagorised along with lettuce, tomatos and whatever other harmless bullshit you can grow yourself cos it is essentially harmless to most with alot of good effects. And just like lettuce, if you wanna sell it you gotta pay your taxes to "the Man".

EDIT: Btw man, "synthetic pot" ? Stop believing every bullshit conspiracy theory you read, you either make synthetic cannaboids or a plant extract. "The Man" isnt gonna take over, prohibition proved noone can ever control a plant/substance that people want.

ya i dont see it getting legalized where im from, all the doctors ive talked to about marijuana dont see it as a treatment but more of a problem like coke/meth etc. They look and treat me differently when Marijuana is brought up.

theres these recovery groups for people with mental health issues that they kick you out if your using marijuana on your own time.

i only would want it legalized so i could try all the different medical strains and find the right one to treat my symptoms instead of these pharms that i will havto go back on because i need treatment period. What is sold on the streets I don't buy because of quality and strain type.

Why not? A pot cafe on every street? Can you think of how Starfucks and McDonald's would suffer? Legalize it! The only way to go. If you really look at how mental this entire issue is, it boggles the mind. Once it does become legal, sure every bar and coffee shop is going to be on board, it's all a matter of money anyway, to the growers, the gangs, the politicians, the IRS... MONEY and the control of it. Prohibition does only one thing, it strengthens two sides, the nasty crims and the even nastier government goons. Sooner or later eating a chocolate sundae will become illegal because it tastes so good and it makes you feel happy.

this country is broke, im telling you the states will look for revenue streams off of this cash cow. i've been watching washington state,"plus many others" they want to fine tune the bill its so vague. there going crazy over this new bill with fees and registrys, if you dont get on the registry then your not afforded protection until your actually in court then you can use the med argument. ridiculous. now the whole thing is in taters so it's not going legal. i really believe this, it wont be legal until states have it fined tuned for their benefit. they want licenses for every phase, producers and processors and dispenser's then you are under audit, its a flippim joke. but that thing is dead. now there saying dispensaries are illegal, too damn funny.

see you want it legal, the best you will ever get is government controlled, taxed and licensed legal. thats what i dont want to see.

this will cause me a lot of work though, we will have to retrofit everything with hydraulic hillside leveling systems, lmao

Hey I like it "McPotBucks" coffee, burgers and stoned lol.

Farfenugen said:

Why not? A pot cafe on every street? Can you think of how Starfucks and McDonald's would suffer? Legalize it! The only way to go. If you really look at how mental this entire issue is, it boggles the mind. Once it does become legal, sure every bar and coffee shop is going to be on board, it's all a matter of money anyway, to the growers, the gangs, the politicians, the IRS... MONEY and the control of it. Prohibition does only one thing, it strengthens two sides, the nasty crims and the even nastier government goons. Sooner or later eating a chocolate sundae will become illegal because it tastes so good and it makes you feel happy.

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Optic1 said:

i just think if, "lets call it going legal or even then commercial," how are you gonna compete with me, my family does 6500 acres of dry land wheat every year. I'm doing hay. we would only need a few more wells for water. sell the combines and re-invest that back into the grow and under cut the small guy. they couldn't compete. My friends that do small grows would die. I really dont think they could compete. our big grain and feed places would gear up for that big time and we just put it on the farm account. the states would love to get a piece of that pie. once people get a foot in that large scale door, there wont be any stopping them. i think this whole thing needs to be kept low key. the only people who want this totally legal is peeps who dont grow cause the would be getting premo weed for 70's prices, 20 and 25 an oz. possibly. weed would hit the stock market like a commodity and selling long and short on futures. how about states with crappy weather for growing, well there toast.

not to sound wishy washy, I would love for it to go big time legal, but I have to many friends that are trying to get by on it, I care about some of those guys and I think their lives would go down the drain.

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they already sell weed that is grown in vast quantities in big fields, it is called schwag. it is shitty and already sells for about $60 an ounce.

they also sell beer for $5 a 6 pack but people have no problem staying in business selling beers at $5 a piece.

there will always be a demand for top shelf indoor weed, even if it is fully legalized.

Why we all dream of this and that I assure you, there are companies patenting and what not; where you will be a slave to your farm no matter the size...Scoff if you will but only after you watch the movie Foodinc find it on netflix

I don't think it will be legalized, but would love to see it. If it is, im sure the economy would benefit from it (taxes). I don't think everyone and there brother will be growing. Maybe two or three plants. I know i would just wanna buy the best strains at the lowest price, be able to carry so much, maybe even chill at the corner stoner starbucks with friends. Lots and lots of money to be made from all points of views, bad weather where your at? Grow inside, Im sure there will be downfall somewhere along the line. Even small shit like more robberies and killing from dumbass people who just wanna hit a lick. Buisness comp would put many small op growers Oob, and what ever the % would be of america walking around high 24-7 lol, cause I know I would.

All that being said. I don't think any thing will change about it being legalized, but my vote is all for it!

What is true is we already sell weed. Be it semi-legal or flat out black market.

What we don't do and it looks like it's the last thing we want to legalize is people allowed to grow their own.

Now to hell with the percent of folks who buy because they buy now and that won't change but realize we keep the people illegal when it come to the right to produce cannabis so that those who sell it and tax it are safe.

We are fighting cannabis profits when it comes to legalizing .

Horticulture right should be the foundation of any legalization effort but in every initiative and Bill I have read there is always rules that keeps horticulture ( breeding, seeding and gifting ) illegal.

So what do you want to do? Legalize cannabis profits over Cannabis Horticulture?

It's freedom of slavery.. You tell me which you think for-profit first is since it's a plant that grows in the sun if you are allowed to do so.

Counterpoint to commercial growing of cannabis: Cannabis.

Simply, thqat if you have some massive farm and industrial capacity you will not be growing sinsemeilla. You're here on RIU pretending you know shit about growing cannabis and actually expect to be able to grow real smokable product without hand maintenance that will effectively undercut the smokeable bud market? Get real. The price you would have to drop your product to in order to compete against real bud despite having a shitty product would also have to be hash. Do you really think with 6500 acres you can produce more quality hash? "Levels" are about strain and growing conditions. Your going to get maybe %50-75 genetic levels potential plus seed production. So you're going to not only have to undercut REAL growers but also do so at such a margin that buyers won't give a shit that your hash sucks ass. Thanks Wal-Mart! No seriously.


You will be magnanimously more profitable per acre growing hemp than trying to compete with small acreage personally attentive farming coops who can produce quality, near seedless crops with traditional potency and the manpower needed to be so scrutinous.

Coops are the future of medically and recreationally consumable cannabis and hemp holds a place for your culture too with a significantly higher demand than anything in the drug market. You wouldn't waste your time in a free market.

yeah unclebuck is right.. you can go out and get a steel reserve for a buck or two.. but if you buy a "good" beer ( i dont drink so i dont know whats good) then its gonna cost you.. same way with marijuana if you get shwag then you gonna pay the steel reserve price.
personal opinion: not gonna be legalized for another decade or so. but it is fun to imagine what would happen.. there are so many more things that cannabis has to offer then just a high. there are thousands uses for cannabis, and it would do much more then what the old people in office now think it would do.

Each Generation finds reference in social history and social norms. What I suggest is that we grant horticulture rights ahead of cannabis profits, socialistically of course.

The Foundation.