Locking down the og!

So, after reading many reviews of a old school cat that's putting out new seeds and getting stellar reviews, I am going to make a small work in progress. Being I have a legit verified cut of the same plant that is blowing up the og world right now.

Face off og.

I am not trying to copy the docs work or anything like that. I am trying to lock down og in seed. Something I have rarely experienced, but am reading consistent reviews of face off crosses throwing that lemon fuel that it reeks of. And the og pontency that the cut has.

One big plus besides having the clone is I have 3 packs of docs og which is faceoff x raredankness1.

I have ran two packs of docs and have found some plants that were very close to the cut.

Where do I start?

Find a faceoff dom male and back cross to the mother cut? See what happens?

Or make f1, then f2 of docs find a faceoff Dom pheno of the f2's then do the back cross?

Where to go from there? Introduce another og that is similar ?

This is going to be done on a small scale by me, for me. I'm not going to make thousands of seeds a round, just 3-4 tops trying to get 50-100 seeds at a time. I have a couple people willing to do test runs and or help me select or use their offspring of my choice to use in the project which will help me out a lot.

Ultimately, the route I choose will be my decision based on results of test grows and my own research but I enjoy opinions and feedback from the community.

Any tips, experiences, opinions, critisism, or comments will be appreciated.

I've been wanting to do something like this for quite some time and am ready to put in the time and work.

Smoking the test product, not having to buy seeds, and the thrill of the chase will be worth the time invested.

Sounds like a blast. Good luck!

sounds like fun, need any testers (hit me up ) lol...

I think it depends on if you're satisfied with Doc's OG. If the answer is yes, then I'd probably just go with his work as it will save you quite a bit of work. If you think it could be better, then maybe search for a male from other OG lines you've liked to cross to your cut to then find a male to bx with.

BXing is probably the easiest and quickest way, it might not be the most stable, but you'll probably be happy enough with the results IMO. It does sort of depend on how homogenous the plants you're working with will be. You might consider selfing the Faceoff to see what exactly it brings to the table. You might discover you don't really need to do any more work, or you might find it's pretty unstable in which case a fair bit of work will be needed to make it stable in seed form.

The only person I traded my TK Bx claims every female is a winner, and I didn't have a large selection of males to pick from.

I'm just starting flower with mine + they smell stronger than TK.
Bodhi's Golden Triangle is where the male was found, and he has a strong smell even in veg.

I did make over 10k TK bx + 36 Golden Triangle F2
The female used for the F2's leaned to Green Crack with mild TK influences.

I don't think you necessarily need a large male donor pool to get the results you are after. Plus I think this is a good project! So I do wish you luck! My two cents, F2 them and perhaps select a couple males to do a back cross. It will widen the gene pool and if you select males leaning to the face off, you should be able to work it down even further with higher likelihood statistically of finding the desired traits and locking down ones you adore down the line.

the fact the doc did a bx2 instead of working f2 f3 would make me lean towards bxing. it wouldnt be hard to do both on the same pollination, testing is the hard part... good luck ill be lurking..

TonightYou said:

I don't think you necessarily need a large male donor pool to get the results you are after. Plus I think this is a good project! So I do wish you luck! My two cents, F2 them and perhaps select a couple males to do a back cross. It will widen the gene pool and if you select males leaning to the face off, you should be able to work it down even further with higher likelihood statistically of finding the desired traits and locking down ones you adore down the line.

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That's what I was thinking. F2 the doc's to get the most phenols. This way I can have a better chance of finding a good male to back cross with.

greenghost420 said:

the fact the doc did a bx2 instead of working f2 f3 would make me lean towards bxing. it wouldnt be hard to do both on the same pollination, testing is the hard part... good luck ill be lurking..

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Bx2 would be easier, but is that a short cut doc took? He can't keep a seed on the shelf at any vendor's.

When I talk about f2 I was speaking on the doc's, just to hunt for a male. I still have notes on my grows and I can pic out the face off phenos in veg. They are pretty easy to identify and come through pretty close to the faceoff. Makes me think this og will pass along the smell and taste. Especially refined.

What negative effects will back crossing have on vigor and fertility? Or more importantly a bx2?

That's a very good question on vigor. I am playing around with IBL right now and kinda wanna see how they differ in vigor and different genetic expressions. Should be interesting how Maple Leaf India, PCK, and China Yunnan differ from the usual F1 gear I run.

you could s1 your clone only, do your selecting and bx, wonder how bad that would be for health,vigor etc

i have to read more about cubing...

I can only imagine going the S1 route could go a couple of different routes. One route being you lock in unwanted traits, and bring instability and possible weakness to the selection pool. The other route, you get something like RP OGK, or OG18. Something that's good, just not as good as the clone of only. You could get lucky. Just something I'd see occurring but I'm sure others have done this.

greenghost420 said:

you could s1 your clone only, do your selecting and bx, wonder how bad that would be for health,vigor etc

i have to read more about cubing...

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But s1 would produce all female seeds. How do you bx?

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I can only imagine going the S1 route could go a couple of different routes. One route being you lock in unwanted traits, and bring instability and possible weakness to the selection pool. The other route, you get something like RP OGK, or OG18. Something that's good, just not as good as the clone of only. You could get lucky. Just something I'd see occurring but I'm sure others have done this.

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Ive already got 3 packs of doc's og. That's a cross with the same mother.

I do have a bunch of cali connection reg tahoe in veg. Maybe hit the face off with a male then and then bx?

I was just going to do doc's but honestly cc tahoe is fire but not as consistent as the doc's. Idk

TonightYou said:

I can only imagine going the S1 route could go a couple of different routes. One route being you lock in unwanted traits, and bring instability and possible weakness to the selection pool. The other route, you get something like RP OGK, or OG18. Something that's good, just not as good as the clone of only. You could get lucky. Just something I'd see occurring but I'm sure others have done this.

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You should S1 first to see what the plant really is made up of. It's basically the same as making F2's. You don't have to use any of the seeds in the project, but it will save you some steps in determining what you need to be looking out for. Just my opinion.

Not a bad opinion at all. You are right as a selfed plant would provide insight into stability as well as show any potential undesirable or desirable traits that pass through. Giving one an idea of which traits are dominant or recessive. I think it is limited though as one is only mixing up the potential gene expressions.

TonightYou said:

I can only imagine going the S1 route could go a couple of different routes. One route being you lock in unwanted traits, and bring instability and possible weakness to the selection pool. The other route, you get something like RP OGK, or OG18. Something that's good, just not as good as the clone of only. You could get lucky. Just something I'd see occurring but I'm sure others have done this.

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it seems most of the elites today are from an s1 or 2...proof to me s1 isnt a bad practice. to bx an s1, take ur clone only face off, self her. select from the offspring the closest to the mom. self that, hit the og mom with that pollen.

alot easier them selecting males lol

if theres such a strain as f1 durb, a selfed forum will express it somewhere. guess ill find out whats really in gsc when i self her...

Keep your original clone alive by any means to bx with it will save you tons of time if you have the exact pheno you want already. Then pick a male that grows similarly.

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the docs is nice. f/o x ghost x ghost x ghost x chem. right? nothing wrong with a nice docs male. just requires more work/passion, depending on however you look at it

One thing about S1 being some of the "elite" cuts is some of the problems we've seen appearing in other crosses. Think of how many of the elites are likely to throw nanners out? Or how finicky they can be to grow? We all love good, unique cannabis, yet look what happens when people breed with them? How many cookie crosses have some intersex traits? I love a cool plant, but I really don't want to bother with intersexing plants. I much rather prefer stable genetics. Just my 2 cents

greenghost420 said:

the docs is nice. f/o x ghost x ghost x ghost x chem. right? nothing wrong with a nice docs male. just requires more work/passion, depending on however you ((((GhostOG x Chem) x GhostOG) x TK) x TK)look at it

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It's faceoff x ((((GhostOG x Chem) x GhostOG) x TK) x TK)

Get it popping kgp, Cannot wait to see hat kind of phenos you find and what selections you make.