Lumens on CFL Bulbs

Xionitsu

Member
So I've decided to jump head first into this, and I'm looking to build a computer case CFL driven design. Looking at all the different stupid light bulbs, and the references to the 2600K and what not, are we talking about Lumens? The actual light output right? Suggesting that's correct, if it's not someone please stop me. Haha. I'm looking at these lightbulbs on Lowes of all places (Because Walmart sucks). And they have a three stage lightbulb Which I thought would be a good idea, No light switching, start off strong then work my way down as needed. Here are the specs for the lightbulb

150-Watt Equivalent Bright White 3-Way Compact Fluorescent Light Bulb (ENERGY STAR)

  • Twist light bulb
  • Uses 12/21/32 watts for 570/1450/2262 lumens of brightness
  • Bulb life is 8000 hours or 7.3 years at 3 hours a day
  • Medium base, most frequently used in general lighting applications including household lighting needs
  • Designed for indoor or enclosed use only
  • 3500K Bright White light
  • Bright White light can enrich your design an give it a hint of brightness to enhance your mood
  • Light bulb dimensions: 2.746"D x 5.365"L

Seeing as I have not the slightest clue as to what I'm doing, or what I'm actually looking at. Using this bulb as an example, could someone tell me what I'm actually looking for in a compact CFL such as this to create a nice atmosphere for a grow station.
 

Hugo Phurst

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to really answer your question...but.

I use 23W CFL's for veg, I get them at the Grocery Store. Use at least 100 real watts (not equivalent) per plant and an additional 50 real watts for every additional plant.

A mixed spectrum is best, at a 3:1 ratio of 6500K (Daylight) to 2700K (soft/warm). For 3 plant I'm using 12, 23W CFL's. 9, 6500K and 3, 2700K, I couldn't be happier with the results.

For flower, I have to recommend a HPS.

Hope this helped.
Have fun.
 
Bro hope you got major ventilation cause you need 100watts per plant, and that's gonna get hot. All you really need are 6500k lights. You do 20/4 on seedlings, 18/6 sprouts, 12/12 flowering and change to 2700k bulbs.
Bulbs are bulbs regardless where you get them just make sure they are new. The longer they are used the weaker they become.
 

oldleave53

Active Member
The best thing to do is get a mix of cfls in the range of 5000 to 6500 and some that are 2700. Unlike what Jorgewashington said you will need a hell of a lot more tan 100 watts per plant, cause if only put 100 watts on a single plant then you aren't gonna grow anything but a straight up twig. Your gonna need ATLEAST 3 or 4 per plant or if you set it up right with the spacing of the plants they can share a bulb, but DO NOT grow with only 100watts per plant that's crazy.:dunce:
 

scroglodyte

Well-Known Member
the 26W cfl's are the most efficient. i use 14 of them on one scrogged plant. walmart sells the GE 6500K daylight bulb. and forget lumens. they measure how bright light appears to the human eye. wattage is what matters.
 

brettsog

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The best thing to do is get a mix of cfls in the range of 5000 to 6500 and some that are 2700. Unlike what Jorgewashington said you will need a hell of a lot more tan 100 watts per plant, cause if only put 100 watts on a single plant then you aren't gonna grow anything but a straight up twig. Your gonna need ATLEAST 3 or 4 per plant or if you set it up right with the spacing of the plants they can share a bulb, but DO NOT grow with only 100watts per plant that's crazy.:dunce:
well thats pure crap, it is recommended as a pure minimum with cfl's 100 actual watts per plant then an additional 50-75w per extra plant. these are bare minimum guidelines.


to the OP 5700k to 6400k are the most useful spectrums for veg. 6500k at a push. 2500k to 3000k for flowering. 2700k being either the most useful or most common (i cant remember) tbh if you are doing a pc case either get a huge 250w dual spectrum grow cfl for about $40 on ebay, or i have seen strip light sockets with y splitters in so u can get 8 23w bulbs into a pc case which if lined and vented properly will get you good results.
 

HSA

Well-Known Member
Xionitsu:Lighting is a very complex subject but some people try to make it a lot more complicated than it needs to be. First, you need to understand how they measure the light that you're using for what you want to do with your plants. I’m not an electrician and I certainly don't have all the answers but I'll try to simplify it for you.Wattage is the load rating of a lamp or the amount of current or electricity that the lamp draws or uses. As I recall from a Physics class I took in the mid 70's, but don't hold me to it now because I don't have the book in front of me: “Watts is amperage draw times the supplied voltage,” and it's usually read in a relatively small number. CFL’s typically draw:14, 17, 21, 29 watts. Incandescent light bulbs draw: 40, 60, 100, and MH and HPS draw: 250, 400, 600, up to a 1,000 watts. What that means is that the higher the wattage rating on the lamp the more electricity it uses and the more it costs to operate.
That's what got us all into all those little curly-cue CFL's, (compact fluorescent lamps), and they dropped my electric bill drastically on a level pay plan to a point where I don't even get a bill from the power company for three months of the year. Before my incandescent lights were burning 60 watts each, now they’re using only 14. It makes sense.
The really tricky part of this is that they advertise the wattage of electricity they use and the amount of light they produce and compare it to the equivalent used by an incandescent lamp putting out the same amount of light. The ones I just bought claim they only draw 14 watts but they put out the same amount of light as a sixty watts incandescent light bulb. The one I use on my clone mother draws only 29 watts but claims to put out the equivalent light of a 100 watt incandescent bulb. Now is that clear to you, or are you just as confused as the rest of us? But we're not done yet.
Lumens is a measurement of the amount light, the intensity it projects, the brightness and that's usually measured in hundreds of lumens. I don't know where the top of the scale is but the new brighter, Ecosmart CFL lamps I just changed over to in my home advertise that they generate 850 lumens of light while consuming only 14 watts of electricity. Now you don't have to light a match to find the damned things at night when they're turned on like their earlier predecessors. My wife used to bitch that the old ones being too dim to read under but now she complains that the new ones are too bright. Go figure. Now let's consider the color of the light they're producing.
Color, frequency or temperature of the light it produces is measured when it's run through a prism and seen in the available spectrum of colors. It’s measured in Kelvins; K's. These new lamps I bought are rated at 4,800K's, which is pretty close to the 5,000K green T-5 grow lamps I use in my tent for vegging. The lower the K's, the redder and the warmer the light. The higher the K's the cooler the light and the color goes from green to blue. Cool, green to blue light is for vegetative growth and warm red light is for flowering. Got that? If you can keep that straight think about what the sun produces during the year. In the spring and early summer the light is bright and cool, it has a higher K rating number; it's greener toward blue and our plants grow. If you have a copy of Cervantes’s “MARIJUANA HORTICULTURE THE INDOOR/OUTDOOR MEDICAL GROWER’S BIBLE,” look at page 160. Grow lamps are green to blue and that's the cool light that’s suitable for vegging. Come fall we get those beautiful warm red orange sunsets and the light is red and warm and that’s the 2,700K red light we use for flowering.
Now let’s look at the practical side of this. I’m going to fool my plants with the right diet and lighting to go from seed sprouting to harvest in half the time they will normally need in nature. From seed sprouting through vegging I feed my babies a high N diet that’s low P and K to go along with the 5,000K grow lights and the longer lights on schedule. Right now I'm using 5,000K T-5 grow lamps for my plants to veg under. I'm told this is a moderately green light they like for growth and photosynthesis. One grower uses 6,000K's lamps and another grower uses 6,500K's. I was warned against the higher K rating by a person I trust at the hydro store. The other lamps cost a little more but my friend at the hydro store claimed he sees less light related problems with the 5,000K's so that's what I bought, and they've worked fine for me. Most people have these on for vegging anywhere from 24 to 20 to 16 hours a day. You choose.
When my plants begin to preflower I change their diet to a lower N and higher P-K nutrient blend and the lamps in their T-5 fixture to warm red flowering lights that are rated at only 2,700K. I also drop the light interval, (the time that they're on). Some folks go directly to a 12/12 schedule but I use a progressive light schedule that starts at 20 hours of light at seed planting with 4 hours of resting darkness and I reduce the light by one hour a week. But that's another issue altogether, and I explained it here already in another post.
After some experimentation I settled on a progression to a bottom figure of 10 hours of light and 14 hours of darkness and stayed with that until harvest. And the strains I'm growing seemed to really like it.
So if you're asking elementary lighting questions I suggest you RTFB. Refer to the following sources: 1. Read: SeeMoreBud’s book, “MARIJUANA BUDS FOR LESS GROW 8 OZ. OF BUDS FOR LESS THAN $100.” 2. Read: Jorge Cervantes’s book, “MARIJUANA HORTICULTURE THE INDOOR/OUTDOOR MEDICAL GROWER’S BIBLE.” 3. Read: Ed Rosenthal’s, “MARIJUANA GROWER’S HANDBOOK.” 4. Read: Mc Carthy’s book, “GROWING MARIJUANA.” 5. You’ll also want to subscribe to, “HIGH TIMES,” magazine. Each issue is chocked full of useful information. .” All these resources are very well written, well illustrated and packed with information that will answer most of your questions before you know to ask them. 6. There's another excellent book I'm reading right now by Greg Green called, “THE CANNABIS GROW BIBLE-SECOND EDITION,” it’s every bit as good as the ones I mentioned above but a lot more technical. All of these resources are available at major book stores and at most growing forums. They will save you and your plants a lot of stress. The only problem with these forums is that if you get in a jam and need help right away it may be a while before we can get back to you. I sincerely hope this helps.HSA
 
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