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Majority Backs ‘Medicare for All’ Replacing Private Plans, if Preferred Providers Stay

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Reduced support for single-payer overcome by assurance that Americans would not lose their doctor and hospital

  • 55% of voters back a Medicare for All system that diminishes the role of private insurers if they retain access to their preferred providers.
  • Independents are 14 points more likely to back the system when told losing their private plan would not mean losing their doctor (42% to 56%).



Morning Consult

There goes that talking point..
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Reduced support for single-payer overcome by assurance that Americans would not lose their doctor and hospital

  • 55% of voters back a Medicare for All system that diminishes the role of private insurers if they retain access to their preferred providers.
  • Independents are 14 points more likely to back the system when told losing their private plan would not mean losing their doctor (42% to 56%).



Morning Consult

There goes that talking point..
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Poll yesterday said abolishing private insurance had 20% support
 
blu3bird

blu3bird

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Padawanbater2 said:
Reduced support for single-payer overcome by assurance that Americans would not lose their doctor and hospital

  • 55% of voters back a Medicare for All system that diminishes the role of private insurers if they retain access to their preferred providers.
  • Independents are 14 points more likely to back the system when told losing their private plan would not mean losing their doctor (42% to 56%).



Morning Consult

There goes that talking point..
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Propaganda
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Reduced support for single-payer overcome by assurance that Americans would not lose their doctor and hospital

  • 55% of voters back a Medicare for All system that diminishes the role of private insurers if they retain access to their preferred providers.
  • Independents are 14 points more likely to back the system when told losing their private plan would not mean losing their doctor (42% to 56%).



Morning Consult

There goes that talking point..
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desperate

You reek of fear-pheromones created as a response to your desperation.

You get excited about 55% in a poll that doesn't even ask the important question?

desperate
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Padawanbater2 said:
Reduced support for single-payer overcome by assurance that Americans would not lose their doctor and hospital

  • 55% of voters back a Medicare for All system that diminishes the role of private insurers if they retain access to their preferred providers.
  • Independents are 14 points more likely to back the system when told losing their private plan would not mean losing their doctor (42% to 56%).



Morning Consult

There goes that talking point..
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70% of people think marijuana should be legalized.

Is it legalized?

Why not? Because polls don't really mean anything. Change one word in a question and you can get a 50% difference.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
Cost per person in the US is already about that. Are you saying Bernie's plan will cost $20k per year?
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Everywhere I look for information online, in my sincere attempts to find out how much this will cost, that is the answer I find. Taxes go up by 10k-20k on everyone making over 30k.

They should just make it a public option and expand it but still let people opt for private insurance.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Conservative estimates put the cost at $32.6 trillion dollars for the first 10 years without including coverage for immigrants. We're talking about a very comprehensive and generous benefit package for every single American. That's 329 million people. Almost a million of whom would lose their job in private health insurance. 9 million of whom work abroad and therefore do not need access to medical services in the US. One size fits all. This is especially beneficial for people who own patents like Martin Shkreli and $600 epi-pen prescriptions.

Or we can just finish what Barack Obama started a get everyone covered and on plans. ACA is universal healthcare. There is every reason to believe that this would also bring down the premiums for everyone, saving money for the consumer. This would likely offset the tax hike brought on by expanding Medicare for the lowest income brackets that are among the last to obtain coverage. There are currently 27 million uninsured Americans.

That is how to get everyone covered without doubling taxes on everyone making over 30k.

Once there are sugar taxes to pay for chronic metabolic health risks and other such taxes to pay for preventable shit IE taxing tobacco to pay for emphysema and lung cancer, costs across the board come down.
 
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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Preventable disease accounts for nearly half of the total cost of all healthcare in the United States. More than 1.5 trillion dollars per year. This does not include lost productivity caused by these ailments which is another significant draw from the economy. Address that shit to make healthcare affordable.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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abandonconflict said:
Once there are sugar taxes to pay for chronic metabolic health risks and other such taxes to pay for preventable shit IE taxing tobacco to pay for emphysema and lung cancer, costs across the board come down.
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If ever there was a legitimate schedule 1 drug, it's tobacco.

They took all kinds of things off the market because they're unsafe.

Get rid of tobacco and everybody benefits.

Maybe Bernie can come up with a plan.
 
blu3bird

blu3bird

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I figured it's fairly common knowledge that, polls don't measure opinion they try to shape them

You're graph says it only asked 1500 people, there's 300 million + people in the USA, 1500 is an extremely small percentage of 300 million, you seriously don't believe your graph is an accurate representation of reality, do you?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
But do a majority support huge tax hikes between 10k and 20k additional annually?
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Another right wing talking point

I notice a trend. Nobody can argue against universal healthcare without invoking right wing talking points.

It won't cost the average American more, it'll cost those at the very top more, those who earn the most. I'm pretty sure they can afford it

It won't change your doctor, it will only change your provider. Every doctor in the US will accept Medicare, so you will be able to choose any doctor you want

It doesn't eliminate private insurance, it eliminates duplicate insurance. If you want/need something M4A doesn't provide, you're completely free to buy it yourself

It won't cost more to you at the price of consumption or to the provider at the price of sale. Every modern country on Earth implements universal healthcare at half the cost per capita
 
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