Making seeds of the same strain?

How do I go about making stable seeds from a 10 pack of regular White Widow seeds? I've read up a bit on breeding but most of it is specific to breeding hybrids, I just want my own supply of good WW seeds. Any help greatly appreciated!

LostInSpace... said:

How do I go about making stable seeds from a 10 pack of regular White Widow seeds? I've read up a bit on breeding but most of it is specific to breeding hybrids, I just want my own supply of good WW seeds. Any help greatly appreciated!

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take one of the males, let it mature. take a female, let it mature. then, follow along with the tutorials you've read...

If you get a male from the packet of seeds, just let it live and you will get LOTS of seeds. Or isolate the male from your females, put paper around it to collect pollen. Then with all for fans off, take the pollen and a little model brush and "paint" some pollen onto a few female buds. Doing that, if done right, only those buds will make seeds and the rest will be seedless.

Thanks for the help so far! So, the seeds made from WW female and male will be F1 or F2? Will they be stable? Or to achieve better stability, do I need to breed the next generation together or backcross with the original mother or father?

I plan to grow 5 of the original seeds, then isolate a male, then when I have both the male and a suitable female ready, I will just let them flower together in a completely separate growing area.

Nobody knows or what?

best and healthiest parents = best and healthiest seeds. you might want to contact the place that sold you the seeds for that

LostInSpace... said:

Thanks for the help so far! So, the seeds made from WW female and male will be F1 or F2? Will they be stable? Or to achieve better stability, do I need to breed the next generation together or backcross with the original mother or father?

I plan to grow 5 of the original seeds, then isolate a male, then when I have both the male and a suitable female ready, I will just let them flower together in a completely separate growing area.

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Are you going to take clones?

If you have the space and means, you could both cross the next generation AND backcross to the original parents kept as clones.

Wet

Dude, the only way to produce stabilized, homogeneous seed from your WW beans would be to grow out your first generation, pick the best female (AFTER flowering all of the girls you got out so that you know what the final product is like), pollinate it with the best male, and make your first batch of beans.

Now, with the same original female that you pollinated the first time (yep this means you have to keep it alive the entire time. Actually, until you figure out which female is the best, you'll be keeping ALL of them alive. lol), grow out some of your first cross beans, pick the best make that looks like the female that you're trying to create stable seed for, pollinate again, make your second batch of beans.

Now rinse and repeat. Like 4 more times. It's called back-crossing, and this is what you have to so to create IBL's, or inbred strains that breed true for given traits that the breeder selected for.

In other words, quit while you're ahead. lol It takes almost a decade to actually create an IBL. That's why almost all beans sold now are F1's of the original parental stock.

LostInSpace... said:

How do I go about making stable seeds from a 10 pack of regular White Widow seeds? I've read up a bit on breeding but most of it is specific to breeding hybrids, I just want my own supply of good WW seeds. Any help greatly appreciated!

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i think it would be better for you to make fem seeds instead of a stable seed - but keep in mind even if you breeded the ww seeds they would still turn out just as gr8 as the first time you grew them

d.c. bea
grow out your first generation, pick the best female (AFTER flowering all of the girls you got out so that you know what the final product is like), pollinate it with the best male, and make your first batch of beans.

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this is really good advice, and a gr8 place to start
you will need space, all your females will have to be cloned, and those clones will have to be grown out to harvest( maybe even cured), but keep the mothers in veg untell you find out which one is the best to keep
through out the intire grow you will need to keep track like a pageant judge. extreamly judgmental over the males and female- for males you want to look for dark purple coloring and tight clustering of sacks and thick hollow stems with purple lines, a strong smell these indecate a strong narcotic blood line and for males and females look at how much trouble it gave you gowing, for females look for lots of crystals (if theres crystals growing on fan leafs then its a keeper but the final test is the smoke) good coloring, strong smell, and growth, thick folige, nice thick dence budz ... but with females you kind of know what looks good
lable everything and with the next genneration of seeds try to have more to pick from maybe try gowing 25 from seeds just to have a better pick

and pick only the best looking seeds

Since you aren't breeding two different varieties, you won't have as many issues with stability. You can't look at it like an F-1 or F-2 hybrid.

pinkpipe said:

Since you aren't breeding two different varieties, you won't have as many issues with stability. You can't look at it like an F-1 or F-2 hybrid.

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What do you mean? White Widow is a hybrid of two other strains. Of course there will be variation. Only IBL's breed true, and one can almost count the available IBL's nowadays on one hand.

Why do they say that f2 hybrids are the best? Like I see these guys that go looking for the best f2 phenos, why not f1?

White Widow has been stabilized some by the breeder. If you breed two White Widow plants from the same seed company, you will not have as much variation as you will if you created a new strain.

Take dogs for example. If you breed two Jack Russell Terriers, you're going to get variations in each of the puppies. You'll get some with longer legs, some with shorter, and spots in different places on their coats. No matter the differences, they still look like Jack Russell Terriers.

If you bred a Jack Russell and a Rottweiler, you have a huge range of variations for several generations. It isn't just the spots that are different. You may get puppies with the body of a Rottweiler and the legs of the JRT. Or, you may get a small little dog with all Rottie markings.

Yeah man but those are going to be WW F1's. Think about it. There will still be lots of variation. Or have you not breed hybrids before?

LostInSpace... said:

Nobody knows or what?

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You need to force a female plant to produce male flowers pick a favorite phenotype and force male flowers an breed it with itself..its like forcing hermaphrodite...https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-how-to-make-feminized-cannabis-seeds-like-the-pros-n1117&ved=2ahUKEwjZ6JODo6DnAhXOZc0KHTJTDt4QFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3DX1br9OBaRscdy-kxn_C1

The thread died 10 years ago

And that wasnt the answer to the question you quoted

T macc said:

The thread died 10 years ago

And that wasnt the answer to the question you quoted

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I explained how one backbreeds to stabilize traits and feminize seeds...thats the question how to stabilize the genetics an result in a common outcome from several seeds..

I guess it's fair

Except he was using regs. When breeding with male and female, you'd need to match the male to the female to bottleneck the genetics. It would take about 5 generations or so to start seeing stability across majority of seeds. Takes a lot of time and testing of the progeny

Can also cube a plant. Find the matching Male in every crossing, and then back cross to the mother 3 or 4 times. This is where the "99" in C99 comes from. It's supposed to be 99% Princess. Its actually 97% tho