Massive issues germinating..

saintmetalhead · Jun 10, 2019

So I have some older seeds that were given to me from my Dad, they are some of the nicer mid 90's strains but the seeds themselves are about 10 years old. I am aware that the age of the seeds makes it harder due to shells hardening. but I've tried about 20 seeds already in 3 different methods without any success.. 1) Classic paper towel method 2) Shotglass of water till seeds sink then a paper towel, 3) peat moss cubes/Rockwool. So far no success.

These seeds were stored correctly as well, at least to my understanding, cool and dark container...Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks

Metalhead.

coreywebster · Jun 10, 2019

saintmetalhead said:
So I have some older seeds that were given to me from my Dad, they are some of the nicer mid 90's strains but the seeds themselves are about 10 years old. I am aware that the age of the seeds makes it harder due to shells hardening. but I've tried about 20 seeds already in 3 different methods without any success.. 1) Classic paper towel method 2) Shotglass of water till seeds sink then a paper towel, 3) peat moss cubes/Rockwool. So far no success.

These seeds were stored correctly as well, at least to my understanding, cool and dark container...Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks

Metalhead.

Google search for hydrogen peroxide soak for seeds.
It can help soften the shell and also sterilises all the germs.
You can also use a match box with sandpaper to scuff the seeds surface before hand.

xtsho · Jun 10, 2019

Gibberellic Acid "GA3" might be your best shot. There's a wealth of information online about it's usage. One of it's uses is assisting in the germination of old seeds. You can get it on Amazon, ebay, etc... It not very expensive for a small bottle. I'd try a GA3 soak and then straight into small pots of soil. Skip the paper towel nonsense.

Good luck

Herb & Suds · Jun 10, 2019

I scuff old beans in a medicine bottle with a piece of sand paper rolled up inside
Drop in seeds and shake, shake , shake
Take the beans and place in a glass of water with h2o2 24 hours
Any that sink have potential place in paper towel or permanent media

grilledcheese101 · Jun 10, 2019

Herb & Suds said:
I scuff old beans in a medicine bottle with a piece of sand paper rolled up inside
Drop in seeds and shake, shake , shake
Take the beans and place in a glass of water with h2o2 24 hours
Any that sink have potential place in paper towel or permanent media

+1 on this

The abbraisive crap on a match box works great too. If they still wont pop after soaking, put em back in the bottle and shake again

Keeprollinup · Jun 10, 2019

Without sounding like a dick but, have you tryed just putting them straight into moist soil/coco?

hotrodharley · Jun 10, 2019

Keeprollinup said:
Without sounding like a dick but, have you tryed just putting them straight into moist soil/coco?

Not recommended. I tried this very thing 3 years ago and not one popped. I always germinate directly in soil. I recommend trying some proven method of increasing your chances.

Xs121 · Jun 10, 2019

Here's my germination method. Though I havent tried this with really old seeds but it works with seeds freshly harvested. My germination rate is 100%

First lets examine the morphology of cannabis seed

If you look at the cutaway...the root cap and cotyledons meet at the pointy end of the seeds. IMO, the pointy end of the seed determine the germination/dormancy of the seed. Some seeds just have really thick pointy end, some are thinner. The pointy end hold the seed together. If the pointy end doesnt open, the seed will not germinate. Needless to say, we want the pointy end to open to let the root cap come out (germinate)

1. The crush test...by pressing the seed between your fingers. If it crushed, its no good. If it stay intact, you have a good seed.

2. File off the tip of the seed....that's right folks...by filing off the tip of the seed, you remove the glue/lock/dormancy (figuratively speaking) of the seed, hence it makes it easier for the seed to open. Using emery board (if you dont know what this is....ask your wife/girlfriend) file off the tip of the seed until you break through the perianth. It would only take a few stroke of the emery board to break through, so be careful.

Correct way to file off the tip

Wrong way to file off the tip

If you see white stuff, you went too deep and most likely you have damaged the root cap or cotyledon. Surprisingly though, this will still germinate but the growth would be funky. So try to avoid filing too deep.

3. The soak test and beginning of germination.... drop the seeds in water. Any seed that doesnt sink in a couple of hours is no good (some may take a bit of push to sink). In 24 hrs, the root caps will start to emerge.

4. At this point, the seeds can be directly planted in your favorite medium or finish it in paper towels or however you plant your seeds. Once the root cap is out...it's ready to grow.

This technique is an old technique, it is use in germinating hard shell fruit seeds.
If you dont believe it, try it in one seed, 24 hrs you will see root.
I've been using this method for several grow now, I havent have a single seed failed to germinate.

JohnDee · Jun 10, 2019

xtsho said:
Gibberellic Acid "GA3" might be your best shot. There's a wealth of information online about it's usage. One of it's uses is assisting in the germination of old seeds. You can get it on Amazon, ebay, etc... It not very expensive for a small bottle. I'd try a GA3 soak and then straight into small pots of soil. Skip the paper towel nonsense.

Good luck

I personally wouldn't bother with the GA3...I tried and tried last winter on old seeds. The dosage is supercritical. Yes...you can force a seed to pop using it...but the seedlings won't survive. My experience was that they expended all their energy growing wild curley Q roots till they died.
JD

xtsho · Jun 10, 2019

JohnDee said:
I personally wouldn't bother with the GA3...I tried and tried last winter on old seeds. The dosage is supercritical. Yes...you can force a seed to pop using it...but the seedlings won't survive. My experience was that they expended all their energy growing wild curley Q roots till they died.
JD

Yeah the dosage is tricky. And different sources are different strengths even if they say 90%. I've used it on old seeds and not just cannabis and I think it helped. But it's a very fine line where it helps and then you've gone too far. It's something I shouldn't have brought up in the newbie section. :blsmoke:

hellmutt bones · Jun 10, 2019

Youtoube scuffing. Thats what you need to do.

Rainbow Warrior · Jun 11, 2019

saintmetalhead said:
So I have some older seeds that were given to me from my Dad, they are some of the nicer mid 90's strains but the seeds themselves are about 10 years old. I am aware that the age of the seeds makes it harder due to shells hardening. but I've tried about 20 seeds already in 3 different methods without any success.. 1) Classic paper towel method 2) Shotglass of water till seeds sink then a paper towel, 3) peat moss cubes/Rockwool. So far no success.

These seeds were stored correctly as well, at least to my understanding, cool and dark container...Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks

Metalhead.

Might be a bit old....

Keeprollinup · Jun 11, 2019

hotrodharley said:
Not recommended. I tried this very thing 3 years ago and not one popped. I always germinate directly in soil. I recommend trying some proven method of increasing your chances.

Not recommended? It's natural for a seed to germinate this way. it's the way I do it every time will 100% success so don't tell me it's no recommended.

hotrodharley · Jun 11, 2019

Keeprollinup said:
Not recommended? It's natural for a seed to germinate this way. it's the way I do it every time will 100% success so don't tell me it's no recommended.

You’re successful in germinating 20 year old seeds this way? Bullshit. I germinate only in soil eh? Try educating someone else. Including yourself. You’ve never done it with seeds that old that were stored poorly.

Keeprollinup · Jun 11, 2019

hotrodharley said:
You’re successful in germinating 20 year old seeds this way? Bullshit. I germinate only in soil eh? Try educating someone else. Including yourself. You’ve never done it with seeds that old that were stored poorly.

O shit I apologise couldn't remember what post this was I understand what your saying now. Just ignore me my bad.

saintmetalhead · Jun 13, 2019

Keeprollinup said:
Without sounding like a dick but, have you tryed just putting them straight into moist soil/coco?

yes i have and nothing at all ,

saintmetalhead · Jun 13, 2019

Well i guess im just skunked and need new seeds, i just tried another 10 seeds with hydrogen peroxide, another 10 with scuffing and shaking and just plain Jane plopping them in soil, and nothing. i guess its just not meant to be lol.

xtsho · Jun 13, 2019

saintmetalhead said:
Well i guess im just skunked and need new seeds, i just tried another 10 seeds with hydrogen peroxide, another 10 with scuffing and shaking and just plain Jane plopping them in soil, and nothing. i guess its just not meant to be lol.

Have you cracked any open to see what they look like inside?

saintmetalhead · Jun 13, 2019

Xs121 said:
Here's my germination method. Though I havent tried this with really old seeds but it works with seeds freshly harvested. My germination rate is 100%

First lets examine the morphology of cannabis seed
View attachment 4348046
If you look at the cutaway...the root cap and cotyledons meet at the pointy end of the seeds. IMO, the pointy end of the seed determine the germination/dormancy of the seed. Some seeds just have really thick pointy end, some are thinner. The pointy end hold the seed together. If the pointy end doesnt open, the seed will not germinate. Needless to say, we want the pointy end to open to let the root cap come out (germinate)

1. The crush test...by pressing the seed between your fingers. If it crushed, its no good. If it stay intact, you have a good seed.

2. File off the tip of the seed....that's right folks...by filing off the tip of the seed, you remove the glue/lock/dormancy (figuratively speaking) of the seed, hence it makes it easier for the seed to open. Using emery board (if you dont know what this is....ask your wife/girlfriend) file off the tip of the seed until you break through the perianth. It would only take a few stroke of the emery board to break through, so be careful.

Correct way to file off the tip
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Wrong way to file off the tip
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If you see white stuff, you went too deep and most likely you have damaged the root cap or cotyledon. Surprisingly though, this will still germinate but the growth would be funky. So try to avoid filing too deep.

3. The soak test and beginning of germination.... drop the seeds in water. Any seed that doesnt sink in a couple of hours is no good (some may take a bit of push to sink). In 24 hrs, the root caps will start to emerge.

View attachment 4348076

4. At this point, the seeds can be directly planted in your favorite medium or finish it in paper towels or however you plant your seeds. Once the root cap is out...it's ready to grow.

This technique is an old technique, it is use in germinating hard shell fruit seeds.
If you dont believe it, try it in one seed, 24 hrs you will see root.
I've been using this method for several grow now, I havent have a single seed failed to germinate.

Giving this a try now will report back

saintmetalhead · Jun 13, 2019

xtsho said:
Have you cracked any open to see what they look like inside?

Yes , most are still a active seed inside, white meat, but nothing seems to be popping.

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