Milky or Amber ?

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skunkfish1

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Been lurking here for a while now and have gotten some great info,
Most people on the forum say to harvest when your trichs are amber, but in Ed Rosenthals book (The Marijuana Growers handbook) He say to harvest when the trichs are milky, he says if you wait until they are amber the THC has started to break down and you lose potency ????
Ive got a bagseed plant at 7 weeks flower and the trichs are milky..I Vaporized a small sample bud yesterday and Its pretty Stony !
 
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skunkfish1

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Well im going to harvest her today, I need room in my tent for some auto lemon skunks that just popped throught the soil !
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Amber color in trichomes is a sign of oxidized THC, THC that has degraded, has been lost and has transformed into CBN. If you want to harvest at peak potency harvest when you see between 5% and 10% (max) amber and the rest cloudy/milky ... unless someone is growing a pure sativa and then they would want to harvest when they seen between 5% to 10% (max) cloudy/milky trichomes. Real true pure sativas and crosses that are almost all sativa reach peak THC levels when the trichomes are still clear.

THC BIOSYNTHESIS




CANNABINOL (CBN)




Cannabinol is the primary degradation product of THC and increases in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the bud is heavily dependent on the time of harvest. Harvesting the bud at a late stage also means that the concentration of CBN in relation to THC will be higher when compared to the peak of THC production.

CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker, properties that can be considered unpleasant in nature compared to the clear high of the THC. Its affinity to the CB2 receptors is higher than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that it mostly affects the body.

The capitate-stalked glandular trichome changes color as it matures. Newly formed and immature glands are clear, glands reaching optimum THC production are cloudy or milky and amber trichomes have already passed their peak. By looking at the trichomes you can also determine the best time to harvest your plants. When most trichomes have gone cloudy and a few amber ones have appeared, the plant is at its peak.

 
cannabisguru

cannabisguru

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skunkfish1 said:
Been lurking here for a while now and have gotten some great info,
Most people on the forum say to harvest when your trichs are amber, but in Ed Rosenthals book (The Marijuana Growers handbook) He say to harvest when the trichs are milky, he says if you wait until they are amber the THC has started to break down and you lose potency ????
Ive got a bagseed plant at 7 weeks flower and the trichs are milky..I Vaporized a small sample bud yesterday and Its pretty Stony !
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Basically, let me break this down for ya. If you want more of a head trip/high/stone then yeah, you would want to harvest when the trichs are mostly cloudy/hazey/ with maybe even some of them slightly still clear. But if your wanting more of a potent stone, like with a little bit of a head high + full body stone/massage + couch lock... then you should wait until you see mostly amber trichs with some being cloudy.

Lastly. you sound like you may have just gotten into the grow scene. Just some advice for ya.. read read read read! Read all you can.. and then when you think your ready for some hands on experience.. then try growing your first plant... and see how well you do. It won't happen over night.. or in a week.. or in a month. I've been actually growing for 3 or 4 years now.. and I'm still learning new shit every single day.. about cannabis. Such as right now.. I'm reading some articles that are talking about cannabis at the cellular level. Which until this morning when I started reading the articles.. I didn't know over half of the shit thats in the articles. Great information. Anyhow.. again.. just make sure you read all you can. Any free time you have.. read! When you get stoned.. READ! You get the idea..

good luck man.

peace.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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cannabisguru said:
Basically, let me break this down for ya. If you want more of a head trip/high/stone then yeah, you would want to harvest when the trichs are mostly cloudy/hazey/ with maybe even some of them slightly still clear. But if your wanting more of a potent stone, like with a little bit of a head high + full body stone/massage + couch lock... then you should wait until you see mostly amber trichs with some being cloudy.
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That is accurate enough sounding but is is getting a couch-lock body stone in the wrong way, it is a fake couch-lock body stone and not a true couch-lock body stone. A true couch-lock body stone comes from higher levels of CBD. Amber trichomes are a sign of oxidized/degraded/lost THC that has transformed into increased levels of CBN. CBN gives a fake couch-lock body stone but since 'The Dutch Masters' have almost totally bred CBD out of modern strains it is very difficult to find strains that will give someone a true couch-lock body stone so their only option is to intentionally give up potency, to allow THC levels to decrease as it oxidizes and becomes CBN and then end up with the fuzzy head feeling, the drowsiness, the disorientation and sleepiness that the mildly psychoactive waste byproduct of oxidized THC gives them.

But if that is what they like ... then I say go for it. To each their own. But no one should ever make the mistake of confusing the fuzzy head feeling, the drowsiness, the disorientation and sleepiness that the mildly psychoactive waste byproduct of oxidized THC, that being CBN, causes for being increased levels of THC or increased potency, because it isn't.
 
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avaholic

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Brick Top said:
That is accurate enough sounding but is is getting a couch-lock body stone in the wrong way, it is a fake couch-lock body stone and not a true couch-lock body stone. A true couch-lock body stone comes from higher levels of CBD. Amber trichomes are a sign of oxidized/degraded/lost THC that has transformed into increased levels of CBN. CBN gives a fake couch-lock body stone but since 'The Dutch Masters' have almost totally bred CBD out of modern strains it is very difficult to find strains that will give someone a true couch-lock body stone so their only option is to intentionally give up potency, to allow THC levels to decrease as it oxidizes and becomes CBN and then end up with the fuzzy head feeling, the drowsiness, the disorientation and sleepiness that the mildly psychoactive waste byproduct of oxidized THC gives them.

But if that is what they like ... then I say go for it. To each their own. But no one should ever make the mistake of confusing the fuzzy head feeling, the drowsiness, the disorientation and sleepiness that the mildly psychoactive waste byproduct of oxidized THC, that being CBN, causes for being increased levels of THC or increased potency, because it isn't.
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So let me ask you this. I have a strain that is testing 23%THC and 2.8 CBD's ..... isnt that great for indoors.. and the reason i ask is cuz i am going 50% amber.... so if i go 10% amber will my CBD's be higher????? and THC????
 
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SSHZ

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The answer is really strain specific........ the key is to know the strain well and dry pieces along the way to judge the differences. A perfect example of this is Mosca's C99. Even though it doesn't look done, harvesting this at 51-52 is the perfect time. The first time I let it go to 57 days, when the resin heads were mostly cloudy. It was fair at best. But cut early at 52 days, the sativa buzz comes thru perfectly and it's a wonderful item. So, no matter what the resin heads are telling you, testing pieces a long the way is best. Resin color is 2nd best.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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only way to know is cut at diff stages. we all have diff cb1 and cb2 receptors and all react diff to diff harvest., what works for one dont always work for others. and as said is strain related to what colours for what effects to. and when results are shown on thc its all cannabinoids, not just thc...sorry not all...but the thc/cbd/cbn. and isnt so important to have high numbers, its more that ratios to each other
 
dapio

dapio

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so brick top you are saying these "Dutch Masters" have left us to a world that is bias to CBN and from here on out we only have the illusion of what we think a body high is? this is very relevant to my reality around me everyone in my streets calls the body "cough lock" kush and the roller coaster sativas are considered kinda bunk trees and people are looked down on for having blue dream well the other dude has the "bomb" blackberry kush
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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avaholic said:
So let me ask you this. I have a strain that is testing 23%THC and 2.8 CBD's ..... isnt that great for indoors.. and the reason i ask is cuz i am going 50% amber.... so if i go 10% amber will my CBD's be higher????? and THC????
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Indoor or outdoor is not a factor .. and not, you will not increase the percentage of CBD by harvesting when you have between 5% and 10% amber rather than 50% amber ... but you will also not be increasing the CBD percentage by waiting until more amber trichomes develop either. What you will see an increase in is THC and a decrease in CBN. That might make the strain to potent for your tastes because of the 23% THC, it might give it too much head high for your likes because of the 23% THC, but you will be harvesting at peak potency rather than waiting and harvesting when your crop has gone beyond peak potency.

In the most simple terms ..THC and CBD come from the same precursors and depending on what genes are in what proportion will depend on which is made in larger quantities, THC of CBD. To have more of one comes at the cost of the other since they come from the same precursors and there is only so much of it available. Sadly for lovers of a true couch-lock body stone, and even more sadly for medicinal users who need high levels of CBD, the gene that causes more of the precursor elements to be made into CBD rather than THC has almost totally been bred out of modern strains by 'The Dutch Masters' because they know that high THC percentages make their strains sell ... and that is because all the Beavis and Buttheads in the world came to believe that high THC percentages and high THC percentages alone are of utmost importance ... even though by getting that assure they will not get the true stone they enjoy the most.

By today's CBD standards 2.8% is very high ... what strain is it?
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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dapio said:
so brick top you are saying these "Dutch Masters" have left us to a world that is bias to CBN and from here on out we only have the illusion of what we think a body high is?
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Yep .. that is precisely what I am saying.

Additional info" It is not like high CBD strains cannot or are not being created, but they are not being created by 'The Dutch Masters' because they have to retain their beloved THC potency crowns .. and the high CBD strains being developed are likely ones you and your pals would not like because they would not have the high THC potency that comes from; "the roller coaster" "kinda bunk tree" strains you say you dislike in them.

There's some MAJOR CBD to be found below .. but notice the low levels of THC. You just cannot have both at the same time. If you want one you have to sacrifice the other .. and 'The Dutch Masters' chose to sacrifice CBD even though that is what all the Beavis and Buttheads in the world adore.

The Blue-Ribbon Plant

 The plant richest in CBD is a “True Blueberry/OG Kush” cross grown in the mountains south of Yreka by Wendell Lee of Full Spectrum Genetics (not to be confused with the lab in Colorado). Dried buds of TB/OGK have been sent for testing on four occasions by Harborside, the dispensary with which Lee is associated. Samples were consistently found to contain about 10% CBD (with THC levels around 6 to 7%). On the only occasion that a crop grown outdoors by Lee was tested by Steep Hill lab, it was found to contain 13.9% CBD.


Two other labs have confirmed the CBD content of Lee’s TB/OGK.


Lee is now working to “stabilize the genetics” and produce TB/OGK seeds. Several plants he provided to Project CBD (a nonprofit organized by writer/activist Martin Lee to promote research) are being grown out by experienced hands. Processed medicine and clones will be available at dispensaries in the months ahead. Details will be available on ProjectCBD.com, a website that will be launched by mid-August, according to Martin Lee (no relation to Wendell)




The California strain richest in CBD proportionally, “Women’s Collective Stinky Purple,” tested at 9.7% CBD and 1.2% THC. It was brought to Harborside by Grower #1 who also grows a strain called “Cotton Candy/Diesel” that was found to contain about 6% CBD and 6% THC. Grower #1 gets her starter plants from friends in Northeastern Mendocino County. Is there something in the genome of plants that have been swapped over the years by growers in those hills that encourages expression of CBD?


Another strain containing more than 8% CBD, grown indoors in the East Bay, was brought to Harborside in late April. “Omrita Rx3” is the name the grower has given it after learning that it was of special interest to SCC doctors.


A few weeks later a strain called “Harlequin” was found to contain about 8% CBD. And soon thereafter a pound of “Jamaican Lion” tested at 8.9% CBD. Clones of these strains are being grown out and will be available through Harborside and Project CBD in the months ahead, along with the Soma A+ that was first to be identified.


Pineapple Thai (5% CBD, 2.4% THC) is being grown out by Herbal Solutions in Long Beach.
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this is very relevant to my reality around me everyone in my streets calls the body "cough lock" kush and the roller coaster sativas are considered kinda bunk trees and people are looked down on for having blue dream well the other dude has the "bomb" blackberry kush
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People will always have personal preferences in either a high or a stone. To a true sativa lover nothing is worse than a heavy indica and to those who like their mind totally numbed nothing is worse than a clear soaring mind bending rocket-sled of a ride sativa. But preference does not alter the actual chemical makeup in the strains 'The Dutch Masters' have created and they have created strains that are nearly devoid of CBD, which would give you and your friends a true body stone that you now have to attempt to get by relying on CBN to give you a fake body stone.

Something else you lovers of indicas seem to ignore, or possibly do not know, is while some are strictly indica crosses many of the most popular ones do have percentages of sativa in them and it is that sativa that gives them their octane and is a large part of why people like you like them. You, and those like you, like the octane but in a more smooth fashion.

It's sort of like people I knew in the 60's and 70's would do, and I would also do at times, and that is take a fistful of Valium or better yet a couple Quaaludes and smoke some Malawi Gold or some Dalet or some Panama Red etc. and get basically the same results.

Here are a few examples using past Cup winners, some 1st place, and others 2nd or 3rd place.

Each won an indica Cup, some 1st place and others 2nd or 3rd place, but in each and every case you will see one or more sativa strains in the cross. A few do not specify what they are, like Sensi Star and a few only say "mostly indica," but all won a Cup in the indica class, the couch-lock body stone class and each and every one of them to some degree relied on; "the roller coaster sativas" that you and your friends consider to be; "kinda bunk trees." If; "the roller coaster" "kinda bunk trees" strains had not been part of the crosses .. they would not have won. They almost certainly would not have even been entered because they breeders would have known that minus the sativa octane their strains would not have stood a snowballs chance in Hell of winning anything.

The Blackberry Kush you mentioned is 20% sativa. If that 20% sativa were removed you would not be in love with the strain, you would not have used it as an example of what is supposedly so great. I always find it amusing that people like you knock the very types of strains that went into what you love and are what play a major factor in you loving them.












































 
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avaholic

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Brick Top said:
Indoor or outdoor is not a factor .. and not, you will not increase the percentage of CBD by harvesting when you have between 5% and 10% amber rather than 50% amber ... but you will also not be increasing the CBD percentage by waiting until more amber trichomes develop either. What you will see an increase in is THC and a decrease in CBN. That might make the strain to potent for your tastes because of the 23% THC, it might give it too much head high for your likes because of the 23% THC, but you will be harvesting at peak potency rather than waiting and harvesting when your crop has gone beyond peak potency.

In the most simple terms ..THC and CBD come from the same precursors and depending on what genes are in what proportion will depend on which is made in larger quantities, THC of CBD. To have more of one comes at the cost of the other since they come from the same precursors and there is only so much of it available. Sadly for lovers of a true couch-lock body stone, and even more sadly for medicinal users who need high levels of CBD, the gene that causes more of the precursor elements to be made into CBD rather than THC has almost totally been bred out of modern strains by 'The Dutch Masters' because they know that high THC percentages make their strains sell ... and that is because all the Beavis and Buttheads in the world came to believe that high THC percentages and high THC percentages alone are of utmost importance ... even though by getting that assure they will not get the true stone they enjoy the most.

By today's CBD standards 2.8% is very high ... what strain is it?
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Gravity is the only one i have sent to lab but my Viper seems to be a little stronger
 
dapio

dapio

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man brick top when I hear such wisdom in words like that it gives me chills I appreciate your knowledge.
 
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Juicy Fruit

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Yea Brick for my next strain I rely RELY want my mother to toke up for her cancer and you insight has help me so much, I want her last years on this great planet to be pain free and would love for her to toke with me, by an chance does the "Blue-Ribbon" strain sell anywhere I would appreciate it if you could help.
 
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avaholic

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then try turning a pound into "phenoix tears" there are quite a FEW studies out there right now... curing cancer.. phenoixtears.ca
 
Luger187

Luger187

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dapio said:
so brick top you are saying these "Dutch Masters" have left us to a world that is bias to CBN and from here on out we only have the illusion of what we think a body high is? this is very relevant to my reality around me everyone in my streets calls the body "cough lock" kush and the roller coaster sativas are considered kinda bunk trees and people are looked down on for having blue dream well the other dude has the "bomb" blackberry kush
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pro tip: dont listen to idiots on the street. they only say those things because its the "fad" in your area, and they hear it from other idiots. everyone has their own preferences, so saying sativas are bunk just cuz they arent "in" is pretty dumb, wouldnt u say?

i dont mean to offend. im not calling u an idiot, just the people that live in your area :lol:
 
Luger187

Luger187

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Juicy Fruit said:
Yea Brick for my next strain I rely RELY want my mother to toke up for her cancer and you insight has help me so much, I want her last years on this great planet to be pain free and would love for her to toke with me, by an chance does the "Blue-Ribbon" strain sell anywhere I would appreciate it if you could help.
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heres a guy that cures cancer with what i think is basically VERY refined hash oil. this shit is potent as fuck. i think they go on a 60 day regiment, and by the end your literally immobile because your so fucked up. but i guess the stuff has to build up enough to fight the cancer. i read it a year ago in high times, heres a link
http://hightimes.com/activism/hager/6014

i remember towards the end of the article, they talk about a 9 year old(i believe) girl that was dying of cancer. doctors gave her like a month to live. this guy did his thing, and shes still alive and cancer free

good luck with your mom! try edibles with her if she is against the smoking. once she sees the affects of the pot, she might then be open to smoking it. eating it is healthier, but as u know... smoking is so much funner
 
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