miracle grow products good?

are they?

is the soil and nutrients good for a out door plant?

you should try to stay away from mircle grow, but if you have to use it it isen`t too bad, i hade to use mircle grow on 2 crops i the past and it worked good, diden`t dimenish the yeild or quality in any way, you can just do better with other mixes, and have to be careful with nutes, as alot of mircle grow products have the time release nutes in them, but i used nutes with this before with no problems, just if u do use half then recommended

the correct or preffered NKP ratio was something like 3-1-2, this was what ed rosenthal and jorge cervantes and the old growers used to use, MG is something like 24-8-16 which to me looks like 3-1-2 ???? i have used it with no problems in the past, you just have to watch out for salt buildups in soil grows, you may need to flush a couple of times. I sometimes get the impression that a lot of growers think if they pay a fortune for nutes they must be good, this is bullshit, these days i formulate my own nutes from base chemicals; i am lucky i work in the chemical industry and have access to everything i need, but my knowledge of chemicals makes me smile when i see the price of some of the nutes on offer, peoplelike AN are marking up their products by thousands of percents, cal mag for instance is just calcium nitrate and epsom salts with a bit of chellated iron, a gallon costs me about $2 max to make at home. Try MG but make sure you dilute it to rhe correct ec and test with a metre, ignore the instructions on the packet. if you have no ec metre use 5gms per 5ltr and 2.5 grams of epsom salts.

If you can't get anything else, use it. The stuff they sell at the hydro stores is much better but more expensive.

nog said:

the correct or preffered NKP ratio was something like 3-1-2, this was what ed rosenthal and jorge cervantes and the old growers used to use, MG is something like 24-8-16 which to me looks like 3-1-2 ???? i have used it with no problems in the past, you just have to watch out for salt buildups in soil grows, you may need to flush a couple of times. I sometimes get the impression that a lot of growers think if they pay a fortune for nutes they must be good, this is bullshit, these days i formulate my own nutes from base chemicals; i am lucky i work in the chemical industry and have access to everything i need, but my knowledge of chemicals makes me smile when i see the price of some of the nutes on offer, peoplelike AN are marking up their products by thousands of percents, cal mag for instance is just calcium nitrate and epsom salts with a bit of chellated iron, a gallon costs me about $2 max to make at home. Try MG but make sure you dilute it to rhe correct ec and test with a metre, ignore the instructions on the packet. if you have no ec metre use 5gms per 5ltr and 2.5 grams of epsom salts.

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listen to this guy, it's the truth, forget about that old wives tale "you get what you pay for"
I use Wal Mart's brand nutrients, even cheaper than the Miracle Grow line. Put the hundreds of dollars you'll save not buying exotic hydro shop shit towards good seed.
The soil I have no experience with, I've heard it mentioned that you should add extra perlite to it, it's already pre fertilized anyways BTW.

I can't attest or detest to the productivity of MG soil / nutes. What I can tell you is I previously had started some plants in MG soil, and a couple weeks later they stayed pretty stunted, and some appeared to suffer from nute burn. Bought some organic soil, transplanted, and they recovered. It was my first grow and I can't say whether or not the MG soil was the cause, or just amateur techniques.

Funny story in correlation to that: recently germinated some NL x Big Bud seeds, realized I only had enough of that organic soil left for three 16oz beer pong cups and the roads were covered in snow so I couldn't drive down to get more organic soil. Didn't want to let the seeds sit in paper towel any longer as the taproots were already about 3/8" long, so I said fuck it and found the leftover MG soil (almost a full bag) and put four seeds in it. That was 2 days ago. As of yesterday, 4/4 planted in MG soil had sprouted, while 3/3 in organic had not. This morning one of the organic soil seedlings sprouted, and the other two have not. Granted I assume this was caused due to the MG soil being much older and more dried out, so when broken up and watered, it formed a less dense and softer soil for the seed to push through than the organic soil which is pretty dense in comparison. I just found it funny that a soil commonly regarded as inferior had produced the best short-term results. Will be transplanting into FF Ocean Forest next week.