Mixing Advanced Nutrients... Properly!!!

So i have the full "grand-master-grower" line up... I'm using coco and supplementing with SensiCal Bloom. I'm about 4 weeks into flower and the buds are just starting to show... So, using the calculator, and mixing the additives 1st - i am getting about 700ppm with just the additives alone!!! - next i slowly add Grow Micro Bloom taking me to my target ppm... 1176ppm No signs of burning but was expecting a bit more... Just wondering what people are doing - additives 1st then base nutreints??? base nutrients 1st then additives??? Or should i scrap the additives altogether as its lowering my concentration of base nutrients??? Help!

When the plants are at the flowering stage,you should always add the pk spikes first then mix and leave to stand for a few mins.After they have stood for a few mins then add the 2 part nutes or one,i use coco a and b then at week two i use the same nutes a/b with big bud from advanced.3 weeks before the end of the grow i use pk 13/14 from canna,i have only just started to use this grow formular,but since useing this i have been getting 36 oz from 4 plants 3 of the plants produced 10 oz per plant with one,the runt throwing me 6oz.I never go on what the container says,i have done but i had more problems then i did good.I always go lower during veg;wk 1 1.1,ec wk 2 1.2,ec wk 3 1.3ec wk 4 1.4,ec flowering 1st week 1.5 nothing other than canna a/b for the 1st week of 12/12 off 2nd week big bud and canna a/b continue this for 4 wk.Then just canna a/b till 3 week before end of the grow,This is normaly week 7 because i always flower for 10 wk sometimes 9 i add pk 13/14 and canna a/b then flush once 70 percent of hairs are couloured.hope this helps tyke....................................................

So i see you are mixing Canna and Advanced Nutrients.... I like the look of the Canna line-up but i decided to go AN all the way as i already had their supplements (plus i ordered a shit load of Grow Micro Bloom...) Keeping it AN all the way for a while anyway - i just haven't got an official answer back from them yet regarding this... If i was to go by their chart the ppm's would be far higher than the target ppm on their calculator. I.e - 4ml/L of Grow Micro Bloom (as they recommend...) plus all of their additives (2ml/L...) would make the ppm rocket sky high.... I add the additives 1st (approx 700ppm...) then top it up with Grow Micro Bloom to aim for 1176ppm (wk 4..) - the only things i miss out are bud factor X and bud ignitor as i feel they are overpriced. So i end up with about 700ppm of additives and i add about 10ml (10L bucket hand watering...) each of Grow Micro and Bloom and this takes me up to about 1176ppm in total. I read on another forum that this is the best way to do it but the plants look a bit underdeveloped for week 4. I have asked advanced for an official answer but i am still waiting....

Call them up. They have a support line you can call. But you want to add your base nutrients first( micro,bloom,grow ) then add your other nutrients. The base nutrients are the most important to the plant, the others are just supplemental nutrients. Then if your ppm is still too high add plain water to drop ppm. Slowly work your way up till your at max ppm. Good luck.

whitewidow2 said:

So i see you are mixing Canna and Advanced Nutrients.... I like the look of the Canna line-up but i decided to go AN all the way as i already had their supplements (plus i ordered a shit load of Grow Micro Bloom...) Keeping it AN all the way for a while anyway - i just haven't got an official answer back from them yet regarding this... If i was to go by their chart the ppm's would be far higher than the target ppm on their calculator. I.e - 4ml/L of Grow Micro Bloom (as they recommend...) plus all of their additives (2ml/L...) would make the ppm rocket sky high.... I add the additives 1st (approx 700ppm...) then top it up with Grow Micro Bloom to aim for 1176ppm (wk 4..) - the only things i miss out are bud factor X and bud ignitor as i feel they are overpriced. So i end up with about 700ppm of additives and i add about 10ml (10L bucket hand watering...) each of Grow Micro and Bloom and this takes me up to about 1176ppm in total. I read on another forum that this is the best way to do it but the plants look a bit underdeveloped for week 4. I have asked advanced for an official answer but i am still waiting....

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I have damn near the whole AN line up. Here is my chart. Note I add the additives at 1/4 strength so i dont have your PPM Problem. Im usually under 100 after all the additives are in then i raise the ppm accordingly with the A&B. So if AN says 2ml/Liter i do 2ml a Gallon. Has served me well so far. Also depending on your PPM meter you may be way higher than you think you are in terms of EC unless your using a conversion chart like the one I have inserted here for your convenience. I would never go over 2.0EC at the most
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Once all this AN is gone ill be switchin to Canna Coco lineup with PK13/14. MAYBE 1 or 2 AN bloom boosters but prob just the same as burning good $. Note that i have subbed the AN Humic & Fulvic for Bio-Ag and the Rhino Skin for Silica Blast to try and somewhat keep costs down.... and I said no to all the Humbolt county junk i scratched out on here.

When I used to use AN my ppm would go upwards of 1400ppm in week 4ish. I'll admit i did have a few nutrient def probs and I believe it was because I added too much but I think you coulod get up to 1200ppm with no worries.

jpill said:

When I used to use AN my ppm would go upwards of 1400ppm in week 4ish. I'll admit i did have a few nutrient def probs and I believe it was because I added too much but I think you coulod get up to 1200ppm with no worries.

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1200 ppm on what brand meter? Lol

I have a Hanna, which 1000ppm is the same as a Eutech meter at 1280ppm or a Truncheon meter at 1400PPM, thats why I said 2.0 EC and attached the chart. Stupid America and our "Standard" measurements lol

Although at 1000 on my meter I see no sign of burn, and i bet I could go higher. I also dont think feeding anything higher will really do much other than use more nutes. But I could be wrong

Thanks Az!!! I will try 1/4 strength additivies next time and then add my Grow Micro Bloom up to 1400ppm (Bluelab Truncheon) for the last 4 remaining weeks... The calculator doesn't make it clear... if you went with their measurements then im sure you would get burn!!! Im thinking of Canna next time round also - they seem to have a good reputation But for now - she really needs hit with a good dose of base nutrients!!! Thx for your help +rep

it was the blue lab trencheon . I didn't know that diff tds pmeter had diff measurements ! thanks !

You should add your base nute first and that should be like 700ppm then add your additives to get to the ppm you want thats what i do i use AN also.

whitewidow2 said:

Thanks Az!!! I will try 1/4 strength additivies next time and then add my Grow Micro Bloom up to 1400ppm (Bluelab Truncheon) for the last 4 remaining weeks... The calculator doesn't make it clear... if you went with their measurements then im sure you would get burn!!! Im thinking of Canna next time round also - they seem to have a good reputation But for now - she really needs hit with a good dose of base nutrients!!! Thx for your help +rep

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Thanks for the Rep+ WhiteWidow! Im glad I was able to help you out! I just picked all my Canna stuff today, DAMN IT I should have done this first but it's all good $250 got me 100L(2bags) of Canna Coco Media, 5L of Canna Coco A & 5L Coco B, 1L Rizo, & 1L PK/13/14! SOOOOOO MUCH CHEAPER!!!! On the AN I have 3 unopened bottles, Overdrive 1L, Kushie Kush4L, and Final Phase 1L. Just those 3 cost me about $250 as well....

As for the AN Calculator, fuck that thing! If you used it im surprised you didnt kill your plants! It's WAYYYYYYY to hot and you would be blowing thru a billion $ a grow from using so much of their expensive nutes!

jpill said:

it was the blue lab trencheon . I didn't know that diff tds pmeter had diff measurements ! thanks !

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No Prob! Here to help & get help

jbiz206 said:

You should add your base nute first and that should be like 700ppm then add your additives to get to the ppm you want thats what i do i use AN also.

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I dont do it that way because I add certain amounts of the additives without regard to the PPM. 2ml per gallon. My RO is pretty clean, about 10ppm. So after I get done adding all my additives im still under 100, usually 70-90 ppm. Then I find about 1ml per gal of each base (A&B) gets you about 100ppm. So if I wanted 700 ppm (HANNA) i would add 7ml of base per gal after my adds and it's damn close to 700! If you dont have a Hanna Meter this prob wont be so easy for you as your PPM will be diff than mine. Use EC, its the only universal language. The exception is if im going to 1000ppm (2.0EC) then it takes me 11ml per gallon.

whitewidow2 said:

Thanks Az!!! I will try 1/4 strength additivies next time and then add my Grow Micro Bloom up to 1400ppm (Bluelab Truncheon) for the last 4 remaining weeks... The calculator doesn't make it clear... if you went with their measurements then im sure you would get burn!!! Im thinking of Canna next time round also - they seem to have a good reputation But for now - she really needs hit with a good dose of base nutrients!!! Thx for your help +rep

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Oh by the way Widow, incase it wasn't clear in my last post. When you want to go to 1400ppm (2.0EC) i use 11ml of Base per gal & 2lm per gal of the adds and it gets me right there. Although I'd start at 10ml wait for it to mix good and check ppm. If you arent there then start adding the last ml of base per gal. You can always add more but its hard to take it back out! If it goes too high add water.

advanced nutrients are crazy easy to use thats one of the reasons i use them. you dont ever even need to look at the calculator just whatever amount of ml you use of the 3 part, you use half that of any additives. for example if you use 100 ml part a and 100 ml part b you would then put 50 ml each of everything else. very easy so all you do at this point is make sure the ppm is where you want it. think of it as a 2/1 ratio

I agree tree king - less additives - more nutrients = better results... However i'm going to stick with AzCannaMan's advice - my plants need a real boost right now and about 100ppm additives and the remaining 1300ppm in base nutrients (total of 1400ppm max) for the next 4 weeks before the flush should do the trick

whitewidow2 said:

I agree tree king - less additives - more nutrients = better results... However i'm going to stick with AzCannaMan's advice - my plants need a real boost right now and about 100ppm additives and the remaining 1300ppm in base nutrients (total of 1400ppm max) for the next 4 weeks before the flush should do the trick

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just so you know all i was doing was repeating what the nute calculator says to do. cant go wrong with doing what the company says should be done. except for the ppm strength though you gotta dial in your own plants. good luck

whitewidow2 said:

I agree tree king - less additives - more nutrients = better results... However i'm going to stick with AzCannaMan's advice - my plants need a real boost right now and about 100ppm additives and the remaining 1300ppm in base nutrients (total of 1400ppm max) for the next 4 weeks before the flush should do the trick

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The thing with some of the additives is some of they don't show up on the TDS meter. I wouldnt think of it as only 100ppm of additives. I bet it's still a lot of ml, especially if you are using multiple ones at the same time like the AN line is set up to do. I can add 300ml silica blast to my res and it wont raise the ppm at all. Why, was there nothing in it? I think not, It dosent show up on the meter.

If you have a 50 Gal Res you'd be adding 2ml of each of the additives/100ml each of B52, Rhino Skin, H1, F1, Sensizyme, Bud Candy, Kushie Kush, and Overdrive thats 800ml of additives to a 50Gal Res! All that only gives me like 85 ppm on my meter. I would then add 550ml each of A&B in that res mix above and get 2.0EC/1000 ppm, If you combine the total ML of A&B it would be 1100ml Base & 800ml Additives....

oh yeah and im not using nearly all of the ones they have... so for each additional one you add is another 100ml. So it could easily be more additives than base. I dont think any more is necessary lol.

Now consider AN suggests 4X that amount of additives!

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The thing with some of the additives is some of they don't show up on the TDS meter. I wouldnt think of it as only 100ppm of additives. I bet it's still a lot of ml, especially if you are using multipule ones at the same time like the AN line is set up to do. I can add 300ml silica blast to my res and it wont raise the ppm at all. Why, was there nothing in it? I think not, It dosent show up on the meter.

If you, like I have a 50 Gal Res you'd be adding 2ml of each of the additives/100ml each of B52, Rhino Skin, H1, F1, Sensizyme, Bud Candy, Kushie Kush, and Overdrive thats 800ml of additives to a 50Gal Res! All that only gives me like 85 ppm on my meter. I would then add 550ml each of A&B in that res mix above and get 2.0EC/1000 ppm, If you combine the total ML of A&B it would be 1100ml Base & 800ml Additives....

oh yeah and im not using nearly off of the ones they have... so for each additional one you add is another 100ml. So it could easily be more additives than base. I dont think any more is necessary lol.

Now consider AN suggests 4X that amount of additives!

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yup thats exactly right. even the big bud and over drive barely moves the ppm's. i did the math also and for every 1000 ppm's in the res like 150 ppm of that are my additives

cant add all additives and bases at there full strengths or equal half strenghts and water down from there to desired ppm? i run a dwc of sorts go straight to bloom from clones once roots show and i never get over bout 400-450 ppm thru the entire cycle. works real good, any more and the plants burn. makes the question of how much additives a tricky one. so ive always mixed a full dose of everything and watered down seams to work ok but i wonder if some additives are watered down to the point of uselessness like sensizym or cal mag etc as i noticed i wasnt getting enuff magnesium that way.

so i changed what i was doing to this and works better.....

wen i added more mag plants got better and at these low ppms adding simply 1/4 the reccomended dose of big bud would ben too much so..
seams like some additives smarter to use in proper porportion to base nutes while some more in perportion to solution volume?

so in my low ppm grow 450 ppm during bloom tops,i take a gal of ro water mix my sensi a b full dose and big bud powder full dose set aside. then i put other aditives like sensizyme bud candy rhino skin into rez(20 gal) at 1/4 dose bout 2ml a gal,

then i add bout 40 ppm cal mag regardless of nute or other additives to rez (20 gal) wind up with around 150 ppm 40 of which is cal mag

i take that gal of full strenght solution of sensi a b and big bud and dilute into rez to desired ppm 300 at beginning and 450 ppm by end of bloom cycle


all seams to work ok but just wonder if some additives are used in to low porportions to res to be useful this way such as voodoo juice or humic acids etc

anyone?

i dont understand why you guys are going through all of this. theres a nutrient calculator that tells you how much of the additives to put. your making it alot more complicated than it has to be

noose i thought i was the only one that kept ppm's that low in flower. just like you il keep my ppm's around 400. i never understood how people are able to give such high nutes. i wonder if this is just an advanced nutrients thing because there more salty or something