My flowered clones are drooping...?!

Howdy, new here but not to makin' the green happen. I have a recent success rate of 100% getting "monster crop"/ flowered clones to root, however it was only 1 attempt with 1 cutting. Moving along, just took 7-4 days ago which are all longer than 6" & after reading more than a couple threads about clearing ALL the vegetation off of the stem (aside from the tip-ish growth) in an attempt to force the cuttings to feed via newly made roots, I clipped ALL leaves, tiny half- formed baby buds, etc. Right up to the top foliage/mini-bud & now my plan is to continue misting them twice a day, leave the heating pad on under them, keep a 4' T8 lit up about a foot above it &...be patient & optimistic. Lol! Any thoughts or 1st hand experience making flowered clones take root would rock! Thanks in advance!

OldAK-MTF907 said:

Howdy, new here but not to makin' the green happen. I have a recent success rate of 100% getting "monster crop"/ flowered clones to root, however it was only 1 attempt with 1 cutting. Moving along, just took 7-4 days ago which are all longer than 6" & after reading more than a couple threads about clearing ALL the vegetation off of the stem (aside from the tip-ish growth) in an attempt to force the cuttings to feed via newly made roots, I clipped ALL leaves, tiny half- formed baby buds, etc. Right up to the top foliage/mini-bud & now my plan is to continue misting them twice a day, leave the heating pad on under them, keep a 4' T8 lit up about a foot above it &...be patient & optimistic. Lol! Any thoughts or 1st hand experience making flowered clones take root would rock! Thanks in advance!

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rapid start ........just a drop or two in the water that the clone is sitting in
b-52 or super thrive ....again a tiny drop of this in the water the clone is sitting in

move the light off the tops by atleast 10 inches ........4 inches u are in heat zone

u should have roots with in 10 days or less .......just rem to keep the water cool and covered with those 2 things in there light on the water can grow other things then roots

Wow...I'm so "tech savvy" I had issues figuring out you had replied...lol! Hence this late re-reply! Anyhow gotcha, I actually HAVE added a fairly light nute by Microbe Life Hydroponics, it's their "foliar spray/root dip" which really kicked butt last time I attempted this! In your opinion will that work and/or work in a similar way to the nutes you recommended? Oh & also the flourescent I'm using runs SUPER cool...also I'm pushing it's light through a opaque, cloudy plastic walmart bin so I figure it's at least getting SOME light...though probably not much

OH and I get ya...like mold, other less desirable crud, etc. For sure...I have a small aquarium pump pumpin' in fresh air for a couple hours a day...which unfortunately starts to take moisture away but like 'ya said, better than other things growin' I suppose! Thanks man, if 'ya have any other ideas I'm all ears!
Post Script...It's mostly the impatient side of me that had me worried & asking questions already after only 4 days but I'll tell 'ya, the plants these clones came off of we're gorgeous, sweet & sparkly & FROM RANDOM BAG SEED to boot! Luck of the draw I guess, but since they WE'RE random bag beans I forgot if they ended up pretty I'd wanna keep their strain goin'! ...sheez! Again thanks!

OldAK-MTF907 said:

Wow...I'm so "tech savvy" I had issues figuring out you had replied...lol! Hence this late re-reply! Anyhow gotcha, I actually HAVE added a fairly light nute by Microbe Life Hydroponics, it's their "foliar spray/root dip" which really kicked butt last time I attempted this! In your opinion will that work and/or work in a similar way to the nutes you recommended? Oh & also the flourescent I'm using runs SUPER cool...also I'm pushing it's light through a opaque, cloudy plastic walmart bin so I figure it's at least getting SOME light...though probably not much

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rapid start is the best rooting hormone i have found in 6 years of experiments .....it also has a light NPK rating to it
B-52 or Super Thrive or Vitimino are de stressers ......they have some other things in them that helps the plant too .....light npk i like b-52 higher N rating

what u were adding i am guessing is the grow plus like u said the root dip (the root dip starts it but rapid start will explode it) as for the nutrs the 2 in combo should be enough to get rooting grow started but as u are in flowering u need to account for that too ......once u see the roots go u need to increase the rapid start and the grow and bloom for the flower (other wise under size buds)

as for your light it is not how it runs it is the IR heat and that .........to close u are just thickening the leaves ...it happens with LED/Cobs too...rem they are need to root not build bud for a few days ....u just need to give them enough light not over load so it needs more feed then u are offering (if u want to keep that close i up the dose of rapid start to 1.5mls and about 2 mls on b-52 then 1 mls of grow and 3 mls of bloom in half gallon )

use duct tape the silver kinds (does not need to be shinny mat works ) or black gorilla tape go around the container with it (shine a flash light at it about 4 inches away if u can not see light u are good .......see light double up)

side note on your design .......think about having them sit on like a stainless steel cooling rack ......then the lower half can have more water in it allowing the roots to grow out into making transplanting easier

Ok I'm gonna pay a visit to the local plant store today actually & try to pick some of that rapid start, sounds like awesome stuff! I NEED the most efficient, reliable stuff available for these little guys bcuz if they die...so does my chance to keep them producing the amazing end product they produce! Also I guess I didn't remember how little light they need/use prior to rooting...taping it over so almost no light comes thru eh? Your advice has been sound thus far...I'll give it a shot!

Also real quick maybe it's how I'm reading your response but just wanted to let 'ya know I'M NOT attempting to make these little flowered clones bud again anytime soon, I only want them to root so I can re-veg them and get the benefits of the monster-branching plants, then after a couple months put the bushy bad boys into 12/12.

Again THANKS for takin' the time to give me some info.! If anything else comes to mind I'm always happy to learn anything helpful & new! Cheers mang!

Btw AHHH! I like your side note! That's a cool idea! I'll give that a shot as well...though I'm not sure if the pic I posted shows it but my set up was created out of MINIMAL available materials, & pretty hastily...JUST enough to make a mini-semi-climate controlled environment that holds moisture for them! To be brief...it sucks! Lol! But I went to ALL the local stores that carry plants/plant products (walmart's garden dept./Home Depot's garden dept./etc.) & couldn't find a humidity dome tall enough to accomocdate these 5" to 9" tall cuttings I took! So...I improvised! Lol! Not 1 of my finest "DIY" contraptions I'll say that!

Want to up the chances of a rooted clone? Cut them no taller than the length of your hand. I RARELY have a clone look sad. roots <7 days

Yeah, prob. Is I have HUGE hands...LOL! Jk. No I COMPLETELY agree w ya on that, it's just the ONLY smaller, seemingly viable branches nearer the bottom of the 3 plants I ran this round we're ALL minimum of about 5" in length...I ALMOST tried to clip a couple more...those would have been pushing a foot! !

Here's the complete details of my grow/recent situation also...just so anyone who decides to read it/help knows the specifics.

So my 3 ladies are ALL random bagseed 1st off, somehow they are all CRAZY beautiful also! They "stink pretty" & are packed w glitter/trichs. ( I stumbled upon an accident that made the trichomes go APESHIT! More on this shortly!)
Anyhow we left on a 12 day vacation recently. At this time the plants we're roughly 2 & 1\2 months old, about 3 weeks into bud, So before we left I I turned off the dehumidifier, cracked the window & put a small fan in the windowsill to drag in fresh, cool air & bought a automatic watering system (cheap little one but reliable) I tested it, it worked so we left. I came.back to a 3 big, pathetic looking plants with almost EVERY LEAF drooping & ready to dry & wilt! The auto-watering system had run out of water & the fan that I had ocsillating on the plants fell over. Upon closer inspection (after getting them PLENTY of water rush status!) I noticed the trichomes had significantly increased, much more than what I've EVER witnessed during any 2 week period of growth. Anyhow that leaves me where I am now...I waited til the leaves perked up & looked healthy again, cut 7 clones-5 days ago, I cut them at an angle/lengthy cut, immediately dipped them in rooting hormone gel, even went as far as to double up w rooting powder in the jiffy pellet holes I made, stuck all 7 on a heating mat, under a opaque plastic storage bin w a floursescent light about a foot above them. I mist them generally twice to 3 times a day, already added a small amount of rooting nutes, aaaand Im waiting

OldAK-MTF907 said:

Ok I'm gonna pay a visit to the local plant store today actually & try to pick some of that rapid start, sounds like awesome stuff! I NEED the most efficient, reliable stuff available for these little guys bcuz if they die...so does my chance to keep them producing the amazing end product they produce! Also I guess I didn't remember how little light they need/use prior to rooting...taping it over so almost no light comes thru eh? Your advice has been sound thus far...I'll give it a shot!

Also real quick maybe it's how I'm reading your response but just wanted to let 'ya know I'M NOT attempting to make these little flowered clones bud again anytime soon, I only want them to root so I can re-veg them and get the benefits of the monster-branching plants, then after a couple months put the bushy bad boys into 12/12.

Again THANKS for takin' the time to give me some info.! If anything else comes to mind I'm always happy to learn anything helpful & new! Cheers mang!

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oh no no no

flipping flowering back into veggie increases the the chance the plant will hermi on u .....if this is just personal use ok but if this is for resale the seeds will drop the price u are able to get on it

i thought u were doing a a flowering clone experiment to see how much u could build using a flowering plant

Ahhh! Yeah right! Sorry for the confusion there!, as soon 'ya said something regarding "the flowers" or talking about nutes to run for bud after it roots I figured I better explain better! And yes, from what I know/past experience I agree fully that goin' from bud back to veg. can lead plants into goin' he-she, hermie. And yeah it's for personal, maybe help a good friend or family member out when in need but scarcely. Anyhow this HAS worked for me before as long as I've treated them like frikkin' royalty and babied the hell out of them...lol! I got a beautiful, short-spaced/densely noded multi- branched beauty from it! It was the ONLY cutting (clone) I took from the previous female too & against Murphy's law & my usual luck...IT STILL ROOTED!

BUT...I was giving it outside/sun light for the last month-ish & apparently our light cycle locally is a bit TOO close to 12 full hours 'cuz it decided it wanted to show me it's gender & start buddin' for me! I'm wondering, are "monster crop"/flowered clones more prone to going into flower than normal veg. Clones given the same photoperiod? Seems like it to me!

Anyhow, with this new info. & after posting my actual goal here (to re-veg. The clones to build them into big branchy plants and THEN putting them into bud cycle) do 'ya have anything you could add or any methods/tricks up your sleeve? I'm gonna order some of that rapid start regardless...sounds like solid stuff!

OldAK-MTF907 said:

BUT...I was giving it outside/sun light for the last month-ish & apparently our light cycle locally is a bit TOO close to 12 full hours 'cuz it decided it wanted to show me it's gender & start buddin' for me! I'm wondering, are "monster crop"/flowered clones more prone to going into flower than normal veg. Clones given the same photoperiod? Seems like it to me!

Anyhow, with this new info. & after posting my actual goal here (to re-veg. The clones to build them into big branchy plants and THEN putting them into bud cycle) do 'ya have anything you could add or any methods/tricks up your sleeve? I'm gonna order some of that rapid start regardless...sounds like solid stuff!

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ohhh your plant is only in trans ......it is not in flower ......cloning and reverting to veggie state u are ok the chance of hermi is low .......i thought u were in flowering as in sites have all opened and flowers had just started to form

i know of a method of ppl doing that to make the plants smaller space them out in flood trays for more even light ...surprising the yields are fair good for watts used and other cost ....that is what i thought u were doing

ok take your plant and give it 24-32 hours of darkness ...then turn it back to a 18/6 or a 20/4 .....this will make the original plant go back into veggie
next part is a little bit of a adv trick it is call Fimming ........basically u are looking at the tops of every branch and taken out the actual head of growth leaving those 2 little shoots on the side to replace it 1 cola turns into 2 ... repeat 2 turns to 4

next grow the plant to 1/3 the size of the area u have (in flowering the plant will go to 1/2 to 2/3 size it started from)............right before u do this u take off the lower branches and make your clones from that (or u can turn them all into clones) ......but u let it go to flower while the other ones are vegging out to size u want

justugh said:

ohhh your plant is only in trans ......it is not in flower ......cloning and reverting to veggie state u are ok the chance of hermi is low .......i thought u were in flowering as in sites have all opened and flowers had just started to form

i know of a method of ppl doing that to make the plants smaller space them out in flood trays for more even light ...surprising the yields are fair good for watts used and other cost ....that is what i thought u were doing

ok take your plant and give it 24-32 hours of darkness ...then turn it back to a 18/6 or a 20/4 .....this will make the original plant go back into veggie
next part is a little bit of a adv trick it is call Fimming ........basically u are looking at the tops of every branch and taken out the actual head of growth leaving those 2 little shoots on the side to replace it 1 cola turns into 2 ... repeat 2 turns to 4

next grow the plant to 1/3 the size of the area u have (in flowering the plant will go to 1/2 to 2/3 size it started from)............right before u do this u take off the lower branches and make your clones from that (or u can turn them all into clones) ......but u let it go to flower while the other ones are vegging out to size u want

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Wth?! I thought I replied to this!?

Ok well COOL & THANKS mang! I'm giving that a shot as we speak...er type! Well, I'm actually taking a few cuts for clones (this plant was originally a flowered/monster cropped/clone herself) from her, now I'm lettin' her bush out some more before I put her back in 12/12...the funny thing is, or should I say the SCARY thing is/was I let her soak up some real sunlight for a few weeks on my patio, had a few others that we're direct from seed doin' the same w no issues, & she apparently remembered where she came from & tried going full force back into bud...! I brought her in JUST in the nick of time too it seems 'cuz ALL of her top parts (on each of her individual bud sites/big branches) had white hairs sprouting quite vigorously! My flouro's & a side LED took care of that but that took about 2 weeks for the new veg. Growth to push past those dang bud hairs!

Btw, weird stuff but she STILL has quite a few of her ORIGINAL calyx's from being cut from the flowering female that appear to be growing yet...in veg. For the last couple months...!? Their covered in trichs & when rubbed lightly smell brutal & sappy! She just won't let go of them! Lol! Hopefully a sign of good things to come!

To whom it may concern/any interested parties...

So fast forward a few weeks since my original post about the flacid monster cropped clones. I forgot to mention these aforementioned clones we're ALL pushing 6-9" inches tall! Kinda a ridiculous heigth but hey, I worked w what I had! And low & behold 2-3 weeks later & 6 out of 8 original cuts have now taken root! Chit cheah! I'm a happy papa, & this time around I'm throwin' them bitches into BIG buckets of roughly half organic soil/other half pro-mix & we'll see what happens! (Knockin' on wood!) 'Mowt!