national health care...how awesome!

jeff f

jeff f

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did you apply for your waiver yet doc? me neither. dont even know where to get the form.....
 
medicineman

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That's pretty crappy, I agree. I wonder if any right wing entities got any waivers or benefits from Obama. I also wonder if the president was a republican, would he give waivers to these people? The bottom line for these unions though, is the amount the employers will cover and I'm pretty sure the employers nixed the increase in coverage. What say you?
 
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NoDrama

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medicineman said:
The bottom line for these unions though, is the amount the employers will cover and I'm pretty sure the employers nixed the increase in coverage. What say you?
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The bottom line is Money, not unions, I think that is the whole point of the article and I think you got your partisan blinders on and missed that part.
 
jeff f

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medicineman said:
Actually, I've read it three times, and have yet to make that conclusion. Maybe you could cut and paste that part for me, thanks.
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A total of 1,507,418 enrollees are now included in the waivers. More than one-third -- 512,315 – of the enrollees affected were insured by union health plans.

i assume this means that 2/3 were not covered. i could be misreading it though. a lot of mumbo jumbo in this article. my point is this, i, you, all other individuals will not recieve any waivers. if we dont do what they want, we will be fined, punished, jailed or whatever they deem "fair". unless of coarse you have given millions to the powers that be.

its as corrupt as teachers fucking the students.
 
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redivider

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jeff f said:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/seiu-locals-including-chicago-chapter-wa

wow, thats weird. these guys get a waiver. what the fuck?

just a wild guess but i bet they dont waive anything for your average family business. something stinks in denmark.:finger:
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waivers are being issued so that the transition is less bumpy. they're not permanent either. they're granted on a case-by-case basis and they are no surprise, at least to me. I knew some organizations were going to apply for and receive waivers... to a reasonable person that doesn't seem weird, to somebody suffering from delusions and paranoia that means there's a backroom, cement shoes if you don't cooperate, mafia kingpin chicago muslim socialist conspiracy going on....

here's what I most noticed about the article.

So far, the Obama administration has issued waivers to 222 entities, including businesses, unions and charitable organizations. Of that total, 45 were labor organizations.
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45 of 222 waivers, a whopping 27.27% of all waivers have been granted to labor organizations. the vast minority of waivers granted have gone to labor organizations.... why that is a red flag only jeff knows....
 
doc111

doc111

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redivider said:
waivers are being issued so that the transition is less bumpy. they're not permanent either. they're granted on a case-by-case basis and they are no surprise, at least to me. I knew some organizations were going to apply for and receive waivers... to a reasonable person that doesn't seem weird, to somebody suffering from delusions and paranoia that means there's a backroom, cement shoes if you don't cooperate, mafia kingpin chicago muslim socialist conspiracy going on....

here's what I most noticed about the article.



45 of 222 waivers, a whopping 27.27% of all waivers have been granted to labor organizations. the vast minority of waivers granted have gone to labor organizations.... why that is a red flag only jeff knows....
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Had this been a Republican administration doing it you'd be singing a different tune I suspect.:-P
 
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redivider

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not really. if you would say that 40-50 percent of waivers went to labor unions, and over 3,000 waivers have been given, then it would be alarming....

but 45 out of 222 isn't a bad ratio, and given that a lot of labor organizations have also struggled through the recession along with business, then it seems fair ATM....

and I believe Unionized Labor is part of the reason america became great. if a republican were to somehow provide a handout to unionized labor I would support it.

i analyze the issue, not the partisan take on the issue.
 
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NoDrama

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redivider said:
and I believe Unionized Labor is part of the reason america became great. if a republican were to somehow provide a handout to unionized labor I would support it.

i analyze the issue, not the partisan take on the issue.
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Umm not really, Unions weren't much to speak of in the USA until 1935, USA was already a great nation by then. Unions started to peter out by 1970. I wouldn't really call 35 years a great run that made America what it was.
 
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redivider

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NoDrama said:
Umm not really, Unions weren't much to speak of in the USA until 1935, USA was already a great nation by then. Unions started to peter out by 1970. I wouldn't really call 35 years a great run that made America what it was.
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in 1935 the US was not that much different than the rest of the world..... america was in no way the world leader it is today....

unionized labor rose along with the civil rights movement, around 20 years BEFORE you say unions petered out.... there weren't the HUGE conglomo-Unions, but the movement was there, and america's quality of life began exceeding the rest of the world's because of it.....
 
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NoDrama

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redivider said:
in 1935 the US was not that much different than the rest of the world..... america was in no way the world leader it is today....

unionized labor rose along with the civil rights movement, around 20 years BEFORE you say unions petered out.... there weren't the HUGE conglomo-Unions, but the movement was there, and america's quality of life began exceeding the rest of the world's because of it.....
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NO, I don't agree. WW1 was the event that made us Number 1 on the heap. After WW2 the USA was pretty much the only country that had any manufacturing capacity. Basically the whole world had to buy most of their hard goods from us. We had more wealth than any other country and THAT is what got us this extravagant lifestyle we all feel we are entitled to. This new found wealth is what drove the movement, not the other way around in a tail wagging the dog way.
 
medicineman

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Unions built the middle class. Republicans are dismanteling it as fast as they can. Again rich (The business owners) VS poor, (the workers). It has always been that way. Unions were a voice for the workers. The pathetic wages and benefits offered before union clout changed the program, were a disgrace. We are now plowing full steam ahead in reversing all that unions have won. It is a sad time for American labor, a great time for American business, at least the top tier. Pathetic!!!
 
doc111

doc111

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medicineman said:
Unions built the middle class. Republicans are dismanteling it as fast as they can. Again rich (The business owners) VS poor, (the workers). It has always been that way. Unions were a voice for the workers. The pathetic wages and benefits offered before union clout changed the program, were a disgrace. We are now plowing full steam ahead in reversing all that unions have won. It is a sad time for American labor, a great time for American business, at least the top tier. Pathetic!!!
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Looks like the democrats are right there alongside the republicans dismantling the middle class. The day of the labor union has come and gone. I agree there was a time in this country where labor unions may have been a good thing but that day is long gone. They are all about money. I was a member of the firefighters union. Biggest waste of money ever! I paid 15 years worth of dues to them for jackshit! We had guys who opted out of the union and they were bullied but stood their ground. I saw the corruption in the unions firsthand. They only care about getting membership numbers up so they can collect dues. That's it! What happens with those dues? Employees can organize without unions and might even do better without the unions sucking them dry and stifling any real progress. They have become a lot like the government. Bloated, inefficent and corrupt.:fire:
 
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