Need advice for choosing a budget method

beckaum · Mar 24, 2022

Sup,

I will have to stop growing for some time and right now I have about 100grams+ (~5oz) of buds plus some good quality trims to make a concentrate/extract. I just cannot store this material right now.

I suffer from high anxiety/panic attacks when I smoke too much weed, but I have excellent experience with small doses.

My plan is to make e-liquid so I can dose it better. Should I go for BHO or Cold Water? Is there any other option that I'm not considering?

I also do not have any experience with concentrates and low budget to invest, because anything that I buy will be almost for a single use as I will not grow for the next 1-2 years.

waterproof808 · Mar 24, 2022

You can make QWISO with Iso alcohol, which I've never tried. Good starting point is here: https://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwiso/

or just make an infused coconut oil to make edibles like gummies. Edibles are a fun, discreet way to dose but it does have a slower onset than smoking while the high lasts alot longer.

Fadedawg · Mar 25, 2022

BHO requires more equipment to do it safely that QWISO or QWET.

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go go kid · Mar 25, 2022

whats this cold water method you mention?? as far as im aware, there are no water solubles that you would want, water is for washing your bud, but not extracting.
your best bet is the qwiso mentioned by Fadedawg in my opinion and the gummy root to edibles is fantastic way to dose and enjoy your weed

Kgrim · Mar 25, 2022

I bought a set of bags, $35 and a washer, another $45. One of the best investments I've ever made, if you bought the Bubbledude's "kit" it was like $170. No sense is spending $135 for the same washer that I got for $45.
The setup I went with paid for itself in the 1st 3 minute wash, and just what I've gotten from trim from last years harvest, I'm still smoking on. IMO way easier than trying to do BHO, QWET, or QWISO. Add some ice, cold water, wash, and collect. It's a little time consuming, but I'll take this any day. The wife enjoys smoking the ice water hash much better than flower, so it's a win win in my situation. Keeps her happy, and she didn't even bitch about the money I spent for a new light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go go kid · Mar 25, 2022

DOH! I forgot about the hash making

beckaum · Mar 28, 2022

Fadedawg said:
BHO requires more equipment to do it safely that QWISO or QWET.

9.4.8.1 QWISO - GrayWolf's Lair

Quick Wash Isopropyl (QWISO) is similar to a QWET extraction using Ethanol, but uses cheaper un liquor taxed, 99% purity Isopropanol, found in places like […]

graywolfslair.com

9.4.7.1 QWET - GrayWolf's Lair

Quick Wash Ethanol is an extraction process by which we freeze the material and chill the Ethanol before extracting, so that we limit the pickup […]

graywolfslair.com

9.4.11 Open Blast

9.4.12 Thermos extraction - GrayWolf's Lair

Jump117 shared an extraction technique with us on IC Mag forum, that used a stainless thermos to keep the LPG liquid longer, so as to […]

graywolfslair.com

9.4.12 Thermos extraction - GrayWolf's Lair

Jump117 shared an extraction technique with us on IC Mag forum, that used a stainless thermos to keep the LPG liquid longer, so as to […]

graywolfslair.com

9.4.13 Lil Terp Passive Extractor - GrayWolf's Lair

During the time frame that I introduced the Mk III, I introduced the Lil Terp Passive extractor, which was based on the Mk III design, but […]

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I really did not understand why QWISO or QWET would be better than BHO. In my case I would also pour the liquid/spray into a frozen jar of buds, filter and wait until it evaporates. Why should these two be better options? I definitely do not have a vacuum oven.

waterproof808 said:
You can make QWISO with Iso alcohol, which I've never tried. Good starting point is here: https://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwiso/

or just make an infused coconut oil to make edibles like gummies. Edibles are a fun, discreet way to dose but it does have a slower onset than smoking while the high lasts alot longer.

I'm afraid of edibles. :oops:

Kgrim said:
I bought a set of bags, $35 and a washer, another $45. One of the best investments I've ever made, if you bought the Bubbledude's "kit" it was like $170. No sense is spending $135 for the same washer that I got for $45.
The setup I went with paid for itself in the 1st 3 minute wash, and just what I've gotten from trim from last years harvest, I'm still smoking on. IMO way easier than trying to do BHO, QWET, or QWISO. Add some ice, cold water, wash, and collect. It's a little time consuming, but I'll take this any day. The wife enjoys smoking the ice water hash much better than flower, so it's a win win in my situation. Keeps her happy, and she didn't even bitch about the money I spent for a new light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could I make it without the washer? Just by hand? I live outside US, there is nothing like that available to me over here.

HydoDan · Mar 28, 2022

Don't be afraid of edibles! Mini doses work great. Just start low and slow...
To be safe you need to vacuum purge BHO. Kind of expensive.

Kgrim · Mar 28, 2022

beckaum said:
I really did not understand why QWISO or QWET would be better than BHO. In my case I would also pour the liquid/spray into a frozen jar of buds, filter and wait until it evaporates. Why should these two be better options? I definitely do not have a vacuum oven.

I'm afraid of edibles.

Could I make it without the washer? Just by hand? I live outside US, there is nothing like that available to me over here.

Yes you can, a drill with a paint mixer works, but breaks up plant material pretty good. You can also use a large wooden spoon an a drill. I bought all my stuff off Amazon.

Fadedawg · Mar 29, 2022

beckaum said:
"My plan is to make e-liquid so I can dose it better. Should I go for BHO or Cold Water? Is there any other option that I'm not considering?"

(1) I really did not understand why QWISO or QWET would be better than BHO.

(1.1) Any of the three will work as the concentrate in an e-liquid if properly processed. The issue then becomes what are those process and are you able/willing to do it, which is why I supplied the links.

(2.) In my case I would also pour the liquid/spray into a frozen jar of buds, filter and wait until it evaporates.

(2.1) That is the basic process for alcohol extraction and the devil is in the details.

(3.) Why should these two be better options? I definitely do not have a vacuum oven.

(3.1) It would work better QWET than QWISO because purging would be less critical in your application. Unless extracted below about -50C or winterized, BHO will contain plant waxes that won't work well in your e-liquid. If you don't have dry ice or LN2 available and resort to winterizing using ethanol, why not start with a QWET in the first place?

(4.) I'm afraid of edibles.

(4.1) OK. Any concerns beyond an OD?

(5.) Could I make it without the washer? Just by hand?

(5.1) You can extract the trichomes by either hand or washer, it is matter of effort, but you will only yield about 50% of available before it starts greening out from plant material. The trichomes also contain stems and discs that contain cellulose in addition to the terpenes and cannabinoids.

(6.) I live outside US, there is nothing like that available to me over here.

(6.1) What is available to you and how do you plan to make the e-liquid from the concentrate?

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beckaum · Mar 29, 2022

Kgrim said:
Yes you can, a drill with a paint mixer works, but breaks up plant material pretty good. You can also use a large wooden spoon an a drill. I bought all my stuff off Amazon.

I like that. I have a battery powered screwdriver, maybe the lower RPM could work a bit better.

Over here, they sell the bags separately, which ones do you think are the minimum required?

beckaum · Mar 29, 2022

Fadedawg said:
In blue:

Thanks for your time answering everything.

I understood that to make e-liquid, in my conditions, QWET should produce the best material to start with.

I have access to the product that creates the e-liquid, I was talking about the washer in that case.

In the end, QWET to make e-liquid and maybe a Ice Water Hash just to smoke it alone? I think I will wonder about these two and study more.

bez420 · Mar 29, 2022

Washer = 5 gallon bucket with lid, drill, mixer bit. Just drill a small hole in the lid for mixer bit to go through. Booyah!

Kgrim · Mar 29, 2022

beckaum said:
I like that. I have a battery powered screwdriver, maybe the lower RPM could work a bit better.

Over here, they sell the bags separately, which ones do you think are the minimum required?

I use the 200, 160, 90, 45 and 25 microns.

A.k.a · Mar 29, 2022

Try growing a 1:1 strain when you get back at it. I had serious anxiety from dispensary bud and finally realized it’s cuz they have way too much thc and harvest too early.

i started out growing cbd cheese which I could smoke no problem, and then I got into normal strains and have no issues with anxiety since they’re all grown until ripe.

Bubble bags are great, and I recently got into pressing hash and dry sift into rosin with a hair straightener and hand clamp which cost $40 combined. Perfect for making small amounts.

Fadedawg · Mar 30, 2022

I made this for use with a drywall mixing paddle. It sits in another bucket to collect what falls through the 150 micron mesh.

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