Need some help/advice new breeding program

Gardenator

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Hello again everyone, going to be getting started with creating my own strain, i have been working with a strain for a while now and i would love to try to bring out some more genetic potential or add some genetic potential lol... in any case i dont really know where to start besides germing the seeds i popped a few days ago... my most important question is if i take an accidental cross (unknown male with know mother strain) and use the males to pollenate my lemon deisel and take those f1's to breed it back with my lemon deisel and each new generation following, could i and how many times would it take to breed out the genetics of the cross and be left with the lemon deisel genetics? Is this possible (seems possible and seems even probable to me lol)... any help with my main question along with anyone who has helpful advice for a new breeder in making calculated and educated selection choices to build a decent strain i can call my own (not tryna win a cannabis cup or an emerald cup here just want my own unique smoke that smokes well and gets you really good and stoned lol... thanks everyone
 

smokin away

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Hello again everyone, going to be getting started with creating my own strain, i have been working with a strain for a while now and i would love to try to bring out some more genetic potential or add some genetic potential lol... in any case i dont really know where to start besides germing the seeds i popped a few days ago... my most important question is if i take an accidental cross (unknown male with know mother strain) and use the males to pollenate my lemon deisel and take those f1's to breed it back with my lemon deisel and each new generation following, could i and how many times would it take to breed out the genetics of the cross and be left with the lemon deisel genetics? Is this possible (seems possible and seems even probable to me lol)... any help with my main question along with anyone who has helpful advice for a new breeder in making calculated and educated selection choices to build a decent strain i can call my own (not tryna win a cannabis cup or an emerald cup here just want my own unique smoke that smokes well and gets you really good and stoned lol... thanks everyone
Sounds like you are into it. I think we both should investigate this a little more. Outbreeding is crossing different varieties which usually makes better seed. Check out the previous post for some directions.
YTube helps too.
Looks like by info given the bud must be of good size and only need to do one.
It will produce healthy seeds for next grow.
 

smokin away

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Hello again everyone, going to be getting started with creating my own strain, i have been working with a strain for a while now and i would love to try to bring out some more genetic potential or add some genetic potential lol... in any case i dont really know where to start besides germing the seeds i popped a few days ago... my most important question is if i take an accidental cross (unknown male with know mother strain) and use the males to pollenate my lemon deisel and take those f1's to breed it back with my lemon deisel and each new generation following, could i and how many times would it take to breed out the genetics of the cross and be left with the lemon deisel genetics? Is this possible (seems possible and seems even probable to me lol)... any help with my main question along with anyone who has helpful advice for a new breeder in making calculated and educated selection choices to build a decent strain i can call my own (not tryna win a cannabis cup or an emerald cup here just want my own unique smoke that smokes well and gets you really good and stoned lol... thanks everyone
Here's a cool YT about pros and what they go through. The male I'm crossing is Straw-Cherry Kush (kinetic genetics) with a fem Atomic x Apollo 13 (Bad Dawg). It can only be as good as what you start with if luck prevails a keeper.
 

smokin away

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Talk or look into Tony Green's GG4 Recombinant to see how to get a specific pheno in regular seed form. Not sure how he got it done besides a series of backrossing. It's almost pure Gorilla Glue in seed form.

Tried looking up TonyGreen's GG4 on antonioverde posts and nothing shows. Got a link somewhere? Sounds neat.
 

T macc

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Now I see it.
That's the one. I'll post a link to the GG4 seeds as well. In that thread, he compares his GG to Mycotek's GG. Very similar and an interesting breeding project. C99 is a strain that's been cubed, and also not the easiest breeding to accomplish. It all takes matching the male to the female clone, but you won't know you have a match until you grow the progeny of that male; this may take years of time

 
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Gardenator

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Tom Hill said the best weed on the planet is being grown by some dude in a closet and no one even knows.
Well hopefully it turns out to be this dude and his old laundry room that does it lol... btw saw a bunch of your work, props very nice looking stuff and some great reads in threads... would be interested in asking your opinion on a cross i am working on under going and seeing what you think of my plan and process
 

Gardenator

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Thanks everyone for the videos and info out there, helps the dorection of this project... hope it works trying to find some viable research that helps support my theories lol so far im seeing pros and cons in my plan of attack and evolving it further from here along with more R&D lol... any and all other advice or knowledge about breeding is welcomed and encouraged ;) thanks again
 

Gardenator

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On a side note im strongly considering working with colloidal silver and only with female plants for the time being to accomplish the cross im shooting for (PK x LD) i plan on designating one to be the mother plant and the other to be treated with colloidal silver becoming the pollinating parent plant, in another set up i will repeat the same cross except with the mother plant being the pollinator and the pollinating plant being the mother plant (their roles reversed) so i will have 2 different variations of the same f1 crosses, i want to create s1's of both of the progeny of these crosses with the best selected progeny of both variations of the cross to then back cross with the original pollinating plant to create the f2's of both variations... i will similarly repeat this process until i reach a stable version of each cross before finally crossing the 2 vairiations to create the final product being a similar situation as with the first cross where my final cross will be 2 crosses each with the mother and pollinating parent plant being opposite of the opposing genetic line so i will be left with 2 final variations of my cross, a hopefully stable and exceptional smoke i can continue to enjoy time and time again... i took pics of the plan i drew up for the cross to hopefully help explain what i am trying to do any advice or aid in this endevour would be appreciated thanks again20200506_072007.jpg20200506_072018.jpg
 

Gardenator

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Again the above plan is as basic of a layout i could draw up so i could see my thoughts and have it make sense to someone else lol... it is not however a definitive set in stone plan i cannot change but more of a starting model to build onto and improve on so dont be too harsh lol im not very knowledgeable or experienced with breeding or genetics but i do feel like im walking in the right direction with my current plan and i think it could stand to be reviewed by someone more knowledgeable then myself on the subject
 

T macc

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On a side note im strongly considering working with colloidal silver and only with female plants for the time being to accomplish the cross im shooting for (PK x LD) i plan on designating one to be the mother plant and the other to be treated with colloidal silver becoming the pollinating parent plant, in another set up i will repeat the same cross except with the mother plant being the pollinator and the pollinating plant being the mother plant (their roles reversed) so i will have 2 different variations of the same f1 crosses, i want to create s1's of both of the progeny of these crosses with the best selected progeny of both variations of the cross to then back cross with the original pollinating plant to create the f2's of both variations... i will similarly repeat this process until i reach a stable version of each cross before finally crossing the 2 vairiations to create the final product being a similar situation as with the first cross where my final cross will be 2 crosses each with the mother and pollinating parent plant being opposite of the opposing genetic line so i will be left with 2 final variations of my cross, a hopefully stable and exceptional smoke i can continue to enjoy time and time again... i took pics of the plan i drew up for the cross to hopefully help explain what i am trying to do any advice or aid in this endevour would be appreciated thanks againView attachment 4556871View attachment 4556872
I'm actually working on something just like that, but with regular seeds. It will be a 4 way chem cross. I'm excited how it will all turn out. Did you start yet?
 

Gardenator

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Okay so time had advanced a small bit since i posted this and things have begun to take way and changed up just a bit... i aquired some Concord Cream males by exotic genetix from a friend of mine and decided to get ready to collect pollen and try to produce seeds in a more natural manor (after talking with a breeder who has years of crosses and foot work behind him) After speaking with my friend and learning about a couple different approaches with the silver he had suggested using a male to collect pollen and invitro them ladies on one branch of each strain id like to work with and begin my pheno hunting on each batch. So needless to say i hunted around the seed banks for regular seeds so i had some decent genetics to work with and my friend popped a 15 pack from exotic mike and got 6 males, we let them grow out made our selection for a stud plant and set up to collect some pollen. I have some pics for you guys no worries ;) ... im not super excited to work with the CC genetics as i hear lots of things about exotic mike being hypey and basically just a pollen chucker (also many different phenos on his concord cream males and females leads me to believe its not been stabilized past an F2) but its great to practice with and use towards preserving the lemon diesel genetics...

I also have some progeny from the accidental afghan cross last year or the year before (ICK), popped 12 beans and got 10 females (pure luck) but both males and females expressed the same physical traits as eachother with little to no variances at all and are a strong resemblence to the afghan kush mom that was pollenated. Going to be using these males and f2's for more preservation and experimentation.

Now the real question, where do i go from here lol... i am going to be using the cc pollen on my outdoor lemon diesel and was thinking maybe let the progenies roll together in a secluded area for a natural pollenation on the ICK fems by the ICK males for some stabilization in the gene pool as well as allowing a skywalker og kush, a lemon diesel, and a purple kush clone to be pollenated in this little plant orgy too. So i should see some seed bearing branches on my lemon outside and have a nice small group of seed bearing mamas out of the plant orgy as well. Im also thinking of building a sealed plexi box thats hepa filtered in and out up to merv 12 to block pollen spore from leaking in or out so i can continue my breeding project i figure if i build a sealed box i can house some females in to be pollenated with one male plant. Im not really sure have lots of ideas and was hoping for a little help in directing these ideas down a decent path. I dont want to just chuck it on and hope for the best i really wanna put in some real work and time towards developing something good and unique but i have zero knowledge in this department andnwas hoping for some help.
The small clone is the progeny pick out of the ICK fems, the big plants pictures are the ick fems getting ready to flower. Clones of all the moms were taken and clones of the 2 males were taken as well, after flower is over final selection will be based on yield, flavor, structure, and smell.

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Hope everyone enjoys the pics, btw the males in the cup are the CC's i got from my friend, chopped the tops to place in a cup of water and stuck em on the floor of my other car we dont drive much as to not ac identally pollinate anything inside or outside... Happy Growing everyone and thanks for the help...
 
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